rx8evo

Thank you -

will do once full resolution has been reached, which I believe will be soon.

dshiznit1489

Why wait, this is obviously YOUR fault. Riken should make a BAD GUY thread about YOU. This thread is a joke. You are falsely giving Riken a bad name when in fact he has done nothing wrong.

Not only should you delete this thread RIGHT NOW, but you should also apologize to Riken for your false accusations.

rx8evo

Not only should you should realize that I neither have his money nor my product, you should read before you post.

Not only should you should realize that I've already apologized to him long ago and again recently, you should read before you post.

Not only should you should READ the posts before you post, you should READ before you post.



You should realize that I have not made any false accusations, only the suggestion that based on his actions, it seemed that he tried to swindle me.

Do you think I would waste my time and my reputation for 59.00? My responses are simply based on his preemptive actions and inaction.

You claim he did nothing wrong, when 2 different representatives from Paypal's resolution department, says he has not only done quite a few things wrong as a buyer, but he has failed to contact I or them to resolve the issue in either a reasonable manner or in a timely manner. Point your finger all you want, but you seem to not understand clearly what has taken place in the past 3 days.

I appreciate you trying to stand up for what seems like a "victim of fraudulent selling practices", but when the seller clearly by their own pictures verified exactly what the buyer claims, how is it that "false claims" are going about? Until Riken upholds his responsibilities as a buyer using Paypals services, this thread will remain for the aforementioned reasons stated many times over.

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

+1. this thread is ridiculous

ShellDude

iTrader: (12)

dead thread and I agree with others... the wrong guy is being called out here.

If riken doesn't return the item in 30 days the funds will be released back to you. I've been on the receiving end of this type of deal before and all risk is on him. You can sit there fat, dumb, and happy until he returns the item at his own expense.

rx8evo

I also agree that this thread is ridiculous because all of this could have been avoided had Riken made a single phone call to me or Paypal.. or had he sent a single PM or email.

None of which have been done. I inspected the other taillight I have and all the tabs are in perfect condition. Since I do not have the driver's side taillight in front of me to look at, all I have is my one pic taken of the reverse side prior to shipping, Riken's pics, and his word.

I don't think that he would make this much stink over 59.00 and a taillight if the tabs were intact, so I have given him the benefit of the doubt in the mean time.

However..

Since he has as of this moment not contacted me directly since rescinding payment 3 days ago, Paypal has escalated the matter to where Riken is now at fault, and he is now expected to return the item in the same condition as it was sent to him, or he will forfeit his 59.00. This comes from Paypal, not me, so before anyone cries foul, Paypal's resolution's department can be contacted should they want to put their fingers in someone else's pie.

G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY

iTrader: (8)

but you are missing the point that he did contact you and paypal thinks its his fault because you said item was not broken, but in fact it was. Stop getting defensive you are obviously at fault.

ShellDude

iTrader: (12)

you're talking pure dribble... this whole "fault" thing you're alluding to is the ACTUAL paypal dispute process!

riken will return your broken tail lights. He'll recoup whatever loss he can from the deal. And, hopefully he'll do all of us a favor and post a BAD GUY thread about you.

rx8evo

Wrong.

If people would just read my posts, it clearly says that I HAVE contacted paypal and told them that the tabs were broken.

They don't think it's his fault the tabs are missing.

They say he's AT fault, for not contacting me as the buyer before rescinding payment, or during the resolutions process.

Similar wording, however, entirely different. If you had people half reading threads and thinking you were a bad seller, you would defend your position too I think.

How many times in all four threads have I acknowledged the missing tabs, by my own pic that I brought to light no less, and that Riken is at no risk of receiving his money back upon return of the taillight?

ShellDude

iTrader: (12)

again, more dribble... kinda hard for him to contact you if your inbox is full. own up man, close and delete the thread... save yourself some remote bit of dignity.

rx8evo

Let's say you sent an item that you do not have payment for..

and that buyer has made no attempt to contact you or paypal to resolve the matter..

and that buyer makes several posts in different threads that you are a bad guy for selling something broken, but you had not realized that small parts were missing, and had acknowledged that it was as the buyer had stated, but were continued to be crucified for selling it in the first place..

and you have made every effort to have the buyer contact you and even called paypal to let them know that you didn't notice the item had broken pieces, and that you wouldn't have sold/sent the item had you noticed it before hand..

and you asked Paypal to return said funds to the buyer BEFORE the item was sent back


Wouldn't you say that you had done just about everything on your end as a seller to resolve the matter?

How does that make the seller a bad guy? Riken STILL has NOT contacted me or Paypal on the matter.

ShellDude

iTrader: (12)

jesus was cruxified. you're just an a$$ for keeping this open. close and delete the thread, man.

zoom44

not picking on shell (and thanks for the heads up here)

but he did give his phone number and email so there were other ways to contact.

people are so used to instant communication these days that as soon as it doesn't happen everyone thinks there is a problem. some times life intervenes and you have stuff to do besides be here on the forum( not that my post count proves that much)

none the less it does seem both parties over reacted a bit here and i will personally delete this thread once i see the man got his money back.

i would expect to not see a bad guy thread about evo either- they had a problem it gets resolved that means no bad guy threads

zoom44

oh and i changed the thread title. every one find a neutral corner and just wait for the resolution

rx8evo

fine.. crucified is a rather strong statement. A crucifixion would require a mob of those who don't understand, where there are only 2 or 3 or you who don't understand.


This thread should be be open dialogue between myself and Riken, however, his lack of responses here and lack of contact speaks volumes when it comes to resolving the very issue that RIKEN, not myself, had started with:

1. his rescinding of funds for an item he still has

2. his posting of demanding his money back and being so non-descriptive about how he meant the tail lights were broken.

If you believe anything otherwise, then you have paid little attention the the posts in this thread or any of the other 3 related to this subject.

Seems that certain people just want to have their say, and you've had yours, but you're perpetuating the beating of a horse 6 feet under, since the matter is pending resolution.. but you probably missed that when you only look one or two posts before you post. I'm not trying to be an ahole to anyone, but quite the contrary. Please ask ANYONE else who has purchased or sold anything to me here, or has spoken to me in person or on the phone, and you may be eating the very words you are typing here.

For reference, here are the other 3 related threads, although I sincerely ask you and others to allow the matter to be resolved between myself, Riken, and Paypal as it should be.


If you and others continue to post accusatory remarks in these threads, you will get responses from both Riken and I, as no one wishes to be viewed as a bad guy. It's that simple.

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/rx-8-tail-lights-sale-pair-each-161421/

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/fs-passenger-side-tail-light-smoked-price-lowered-%2445-161979/

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/still-need-rx8-radio-dash-kit-ive-got-4-now-ones-me-%3Dd-168-91-each-sh-161918/

It's already been stated by me that this thread will be modded/deleted by me or the mods AFTER the issue has been resolved. I have neither the funds nor the product, so the thread remains open until one or the other are in my possession. Riken's actions have prompted this thread to be made, and there is your explanation of why it was started. It has also been stated by me that I do not wish for Riken to be viewed as a bad guy:

If you had read that, perhaps you wouldn't be making false accusations towards me. This is a forum people and it shouldn't be much to ask to simply read the posts before responding.

ShellDude

iTrader: (12)

I can now sleep in peace tonight

zoom44

oh and evo clean out your SENT ITEMS box that will leave more room for incoming PMS

rx8evo

btw.. is it allowed to outright flame a member in this forum?

Since when did I say anything to either of you to evoke such a comment towards me.

Neither of you know me, but statements like the ones you two just made depict the type of person you are, and people who flame others without provocation I have no interest in knowing.

If the mods/admins allow behavior such as this to happen, this is not a forum in which I would like to participate in. Everyone likes to be "right", especially on the net, however, I'll ask both of you to retract your flame-bait comment for reasons not necessary to elaborate on.

Thank you btw zoom44 for intervening and changing the thread title. If I hadn't been inundated with accusatory comments from a couple members here, I would have already had the time to change it myself.

To Riken: As stated more than a few times, I have taken all measures on my part to have this resolved for both of us as quickly as possible. I await the return of the taillight and you should have your funds returned to you upon a quick inspection of the taillight.

It really seems that the matter was mostly resolved as of last night, however, those who aren't involved in the matter are simply jumping to conclusions on what transpired between Riken and I. He and I have both overreacted to the situation a bit, and though he has still not contacted me, he has posted that he has or will send the taillight back so that funds can be returned, and the matter closed.

While dshiznit1489 and shelldude asked Riken make a bad guy thread about me, neither are helping with their comments to resolve the matter, and Riken by his own words had stated that he has no problem with me at all and would buy again if needed.

If dshiznit1489 and ShellDude do not retract their derogatory comments I will formally ask the mods/admin to take appropriate actions as per the forum rules that all RX8club members are held by.

dshiznit1489

If you think what I most recently posted in this thread is me flaming you, then OH MAN do you have a lot of learning to do. The internet is serious business. Ok, I'm done posting here unless Evo responds to this post......(please save me the trouble and DON'T)

rx8evo

Well, by all means, trouble yourself and teach me oh wise one all there is to know about the internet and it's seriousness.

Clearly you're not familiar with forum etiquette, and your post count and snide remarks does not make you any better positioned to enlighten any other when it comes to internet behavior.

By attempting to hijack this thread with your flamebaiting, you are further hindering progress made between Riken and myself regarding this transaction by sticking your big nose into it, so if you desire to continue to "trouble" yourself, it's a free world and you're free to speak your mind any way you please, but you are not above the rules of this forum, just as no one else is, so another smart alec comment from you is not necessary in regards to the topic at hand.

CTrx8

iTrader: (2)

hahaha...relax man...seriously...

Riken

"sigh"
I shipped the lights 1 day ago Paid $29 for shipping which I want a half of refund for which is a fare thing to ask. Here is the tracking # is 03082040000179555876 since your inbox is full plus I have asked for your email and you have not make any attempt to give it to me.

This is a simple matter.
You sold a BROKE part.
I was not able to contact you via this thread. Didnt feel like I had to waist my time on the phone so I posted on your thread the truth about you selling me a broke item.
I then contacted paypal about it and you went and told them that you shipped the item so they reversed it like I was at fault.
Anywho I shipped the item you should get it by Tuesday, I want a refund plus shipping thats it, you sold me a broken item I shipped it back to you, you need to give me a full refund plus half of the $29 that I paid for shipping. Thats it.

There is no need to post anything else from you evo, just that you refunded the money. You do this and you wont dig yourself deeper. But if you do another long letter, can you post a cliff note of it, im to lazy to read long post.........you even have me writing long post. kill me

rx8evo

Well, either you got your information wrong or you're lying about who shipped what. I'm going with lying, and since I thought that it would be far fetched to believe that Paypal atually believes that YOU are the shipper, I called them to verify.

Each time I speak with Paypal they clearly know that I am the shipper and you are the buyer, so don't start saying I said something I didn't say.

You rescinded payment 3 days ago in case you forgot. It was up to you to contact paypal and contact me. After you have made it clear that you would not pick up the phone and contact me to resolve this, Paypal made the determination that you need to send the item back to me before you get your money back. Not my determination, but Paypal's. Had you contacted me, instead of being such a jerk about it, perhaps Paypal would have seen you as a cooperative buyer, but instead has since viewed you as untrustworthy. Perhaps THAT is why they think you're the bad guy.

You are also now going back on your word on shipping. What gives you the right to start making up the negotiation process without contacting me? You don't. Your mistake was not doing a single thing to resolve this with me or paypal - shipping the item back is now your loss, and I'm getting fed up with your excuses of why you cannot contact me.

My inbox hasn't been full for the past 2 days, so quit making excuses.

You've had the ability to email me but chose never to do so.

If you want to send an email, click on the following link: https://www.rx8club.com/sendmessage....member&u=33945

I've let paypal know that you said you've shipped the tailights back. Upon receipt and inspection, you will receive a refund as previously stated. Though you said you would buy something from me in the future, I would never sell anything to you due to how difficult you have made this transaction to be.

This was never the best medium to resolve this, however, since you felt the need to ignore all suggestions given by Paypal, I'll be sure to let them know that you continue to refuse to contact me directly to come to a resolution, but rather are now making up the terms on your own.

rx8evo

Incorrect. Paypal was told by me that I did not notice the tabs were missing on the back of the taillight.

This is such a simple matter of Riken contacting me to work out a resolution.

Since he has not contacted me, the only resolution is as follows:

Riken sends the taillight back to me.

The 59.00 gets redeposited into his Paypal account.

If Riken wanted or still wants to do anything different to resolve this, he should contact me. If he does not contact me in order to resolve this, we only have the 2 steps above as a resolution.

Again, it's not about 59.00. It's Riken dragging this out into the open that I am a bad guy for selling him a taillight with missing tabs. I even mentioned that one of the options was to send him a replacement, as I have access to one, but he apparently ignored that option.

If this was really a matter of receiving a driver's side tail light with tabs intact, which could easily be provided, he could have said so, but instead, he seems to find more interest in belly aching about receiving the taillights with the broken tabs. All I've ever asked in this, was to receive the taillight back in the same condition, and that somehow makes me out to be a bad guy?

For those who are tired as I am at replying to this thread, how about asking Riken to contact me to resolve the matter?

If Riken feels that contacting me is of no importance, then he dropped the ball from the beginning, and falls subject to the decision Paypal has come to, which was to send me the taillight and upon receiving them in the same condition they were sent, a refund of what he paid me would be deposited into his Paypal account.

This thread will be deleted as stated many times once the matter has been resolved. Those of you who are commenting need not worry yourselves, since the matter is being handled, but the reason for the thread in the first place remains as Riken continues to be uncooperative and rude by posting things I have not said, making up the negotiation process, and not contacting me in the process.

If this does not change by tomorrow, I will change what I originally thought of Riken and furthermore believe that he is a bad person to sell to. I continue to wait to hear from him via PM, email, or by phone.

cjkim

wow, i have no words to express how much failure is in this thread.

youre right, shippers usually do not have to refund shipping costs, since, well... the money is in the hands of the post office... but in times like this, where the shipper was undoubtedly at fault, don't you honestly think it is MORE than appropriate to refund the shipping costs also?

If it were me in your situation, I'd feel terrible about not refunding shipping costs and not paying what it costs to return. Seriously, as a good seller, I'd think that's obvious. Just because paypal isn't asking you to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't.

I hope you don't have anything else to sell. You guys both share some fault, but only one guy really looks like the bad guy imo. my 2 cents. feel free to call me a flamer now.