Notices
Good Guy/Bad Guy Talk about your buying & selling experiences with other individuals.

rx8evo & Riken misunderstanding and overreaction Paypal Dispute

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 12-20-2008, 09:49 PM
  #51  
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
dannobre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Smallville
Posts: 13,718
Received 337 Likes on 292 Posts
If it was me I would have saved the $29 shipping and had him throw it in the garbage.......is it even worth 15?

It sure isn't worth this headache.......
dannobre is offline  
Old 12-20-2008, 09:50 PM
  #52  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I like Coke Zero, it taste like regular coke.

This is what I get from your posts:

Dear Riken, the cool guy that purchased my taillight. Blahhhh blahhh blahhhhh paypal blahhh blahhh never in your entire life you tried to contact me via email, phone, fax, regular mail, in-store visit, singing telegram, sign language, smoke signals, or even by using the force. Blahhh blahhh paypal blaahhh blahhhh shipping blahhh blahhh and blahhh.

Did you guys catch what he wrote: "I await the return of the taillight and you should have your funds returned to you upon a quick inspection of the taillight."

You keep saying that all around the threads, this is why im keeping all my communication via threads. Can you explain to me and everyone else how would you go about doing this since you didnt do that in the first place prior to shipping it? What would your inspection be based from?

But for real this time. Lets this be it and ill wait until 2-3 days for a refund.

Sprite Zero FTW. Im awesome.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-20-2008, 10:51 PM
  #53  
weeeeeeeeee
iTrader: (12)
 
ShellDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Outside Philadelphia
Posts: 4,200
Received 229 Likes on 153 Posts
Sorry Riken, I had a bunch of stuff to say but I remembered that I was asked to stay out of this mess.

I hope everything works out for ya. You deserve better.
ShellDude is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 01:47 PM
  #54  
1.3 liters of goodness
Thread Starter
 
rx8evo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: behind the steering wheel
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cjkim
wow, i have no words to express how much failure is in this thread.

youre right, shippers usually do not have to refund shipping costs, since, well... the money is in the hands of the post office... but in times like this, where the shipper was undoubtedly at fault, don't you honestly think it is MORE than appropriate to refund the shipping costs also?

If it were me in your situation, I'd feel terrible about not refunding shipping costs and not paying what it costs to return. Seriously, as a good seller, I'd think that's obvious. Just because paypal isn't asking you to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't.

I hope you don't have anything else to sell. You guys both share some fault, but only one guy really looks like the bad guy imo. my 2 cents. feel free to call me a flamer now.

I would have been MORE THAN HAPPY TO REFUND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT PLUS RIKEN'S SHIPPING COST BACK, HOWEVER, HE HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY ATTACKING ME SINCE RECEIVING THE ITEM AND HAS BEEN TOTALLY UNCOOPERATIVE. WHY THE HELL SHOULD I DO HIM ANY FAVORS AT THIS POINT?

Originally Posted by Riken
Blahhhh blahhh blahhhhh paypal blahhh blahhh
Jose.

Your apathy is precisely why the communication's process keeps breaking down.

You keep ignoring my efforts to establish contact with you and you keep posting how such a bad buy I am for not noticing the tabs were missing before offering these for sale, than actually resolve this with me.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that I didn't notice the tabs were missing before listing this item in the FS section. Do you actually think I intended to sell this taillight to anyone that wasn't completely functional?

As posted twice before, I've said that I could send you out a replacement, but you seem like you'd rather try and pump yourself up as a victim and I totally intended on trying to screw you.

It's been long established that I would work this out with you, but you don't seem interested in doing anything else but to **** me off with your continual ignorance in solving the matter.

If you wanted to resolve this, perhaps you would communitcate with me rather than make demands on your own.

If you're too lazy or indifferent to pick up the phone and speak with me, communicate via emai, or PM, then that shows your true colors.

So.. you wanted me to pay you for half of the 29.00 you said it cost you to send the taillights back to me, is that correct? Let's think about that for a second.

How does it cost you 29.00 when it cost me 14.40 to ship these to you with delivery confirmation? You can even reuse the box and packing material.

It's things like this that show me that you are a bad buyer.

I believe that since I made it public that you were trying to swindle me by rescinding your payment without contacting me (and still haven't for that matter), you have tried your best to paint yourself as the good guy/victim and me as the perpetrator who thought this whole thing up just so that we can all waste our time bantering back and forth over 59.00, a taillight, and our reputations. Wow. That must be it. It was soooo worth it for 59.00. Gosh, you're such a smart fella aren't ya? And yes, that was meant to be condescending since you've been that way towards me throughout this entire endeavor.
rx8evo is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:14 PM
  #55  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
lol now you are going to make me take a pic of the recipt.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:17 PM
  #56  
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
dannobre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Smallville
Posts: 13,718
Received 337 Likes on 292 Posts
Really...you have both escalated to acting like children in this post

Let's get this over with so it quits polluting the forum
dannobre is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:20 PM
  #57  
weeeeeeeeee
iTrader: (12)
 
ShellDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Outside Philadelphia
Posts: 4,200
Received 229 Likes on 153 Posts
Originally Posted by Riken
lol now you are going to make me take a pic of the recipt.
He won't but PayPal will. Welcome to the process.
ShellDude is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:26 PM
  #58  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This will be my last post about this until I see that you received the taillights.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...racer5/rec.jpg

You can see that total was $29 with tracking info.

Please lets this be over, ill be expecting a full refund no later than the same day you receive the lights.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:33 PM
  #59  
I8U
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
I8U's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Carolina Beach, NC
Posts: 1,934
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I can't believe this thread is still going...hell I can't believe I've even kept up with it. The whole thing is just full of fail...
I8U is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:39 PM
  #60  
Asshole for hire
iTrader: (1)
 
paulmasoner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Colfontaine, Belgium
Posts: 3,214
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
lol, epic failure
paulmasoner is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 02:43 PM
  #61  
Relax baby!
iTrader: (3)
 
rx 8speciale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Nurburgring driver, Germany
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
rx8evo shouldnt be allow to sell in the club, as a member thats my opinion,,,
rx 8speciale is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 03:15 PM
  #62  
1.3 liters of goodness
Thread Starter
 
rx8evo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: behind the steering wheel
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rx 8speciale
rx8evo shouldnt be allow to sell in the club, as a member thats my opinion,,,
LOL, and that's because I:

1. followed the rules as a seller according to paypal

2. made numerous attempts to resolve this with Riken

3. called paypal to refund his money BEFORE he sent the tail light back

4. brought it to everyone's attention that he tried to swindle me and has posting derogatory remarks since not cooperating with me or paypal


Is that what you are saying?


So how is it that EVERY other member here at 8 club has received what I've sold them just as described with no problems. Explain that please and how you would base one person's rant to justify why I shouldn't sell anything to anyone here.
rx8evo is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 03:21 PM
  #63  
1.3 liters of goodness
Thread Starter
 
rx8evo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: behind the steering wheel
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Riken
This will be my last post about this until I see that you received the taillights.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...racer5/rec.jpg

You can see that total was $29 with tracking info.

Please lets this be over, ill be expecting a full refund no later than the same day you receive the lights.

LOL, then you've paid way more than you're supposed to. Had you contacted me EVEN ONCE, I could have arranged to:

1. pay for the return shipping

2. send you an exchange

3. avoid having to think that you're trying to not pay for an item that you've received; having thought that you were a bad buyer; having to waste your and my time with these threads.

Your complacency.. your loss now, since you've been nothing but a jerk, and I am within my right to inspect the taillight sent to you upon it's return. Is such a terrible thing to ask for?
rx8evo is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 03:28 PM
  #64  
1.3 liters of goodness
Thread Starter
 
rx8evo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: behind the steering wheel
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Riken
This will be my last post about this until I see that you received the taillights.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...racer5/rec.jpg

You can see that total was $29 with tracking info.

Please lets this be over, ill be expecting a full refund no later than the same day you receive the lights.
You clearly cannot be that dumb, right? You have absolutely no idea why this thread was made from the first place do you? You rescinded payment when you made your dispute claim with paypal. You are the very reason why people shouldn't sell things to you.

so.. here's your copy of the receipt:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...racer5/rec.jpg

It's plain to see that you used USPS.. the EXACT same shipping service that I used to send the tail light to you.

Please explain how is it that you're spending more than TWICE as much to send the exact same item back to me from the address it was sent to?
rx8evo is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 05:25 PM
  #65  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So I forged the receipt and broke your taillights. Im terrible.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 05:36 PM
  #66  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why did you make this so complicated?
Im at fault for not contacting you more than the 4-5 times I tried.
But im sorry you are the one over reacting. please let stop this back and forth. This will be my last post for real this time.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-21-2008, 05:40 PM
  #67  
^noob
 
cjkim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: socal
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rx8evo
You clearly cannot be that dumb, right? You have absolutely no idea why this thread was made from the first place do you? You rescinded payment when you made your dispute claim with paypal. You are the very reason why people shouldn't sell things to you.

so.. here's your copy of the receipt:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...racer5/rec.jpg

It's plain to see that you used USPS.. the EXACT same shipping service that I used to send the tail light to you.

Please explain how is it that you're spending more than TWICE as much to send the exact same item back to me from the address it was sent to?
i can explain it.
21x16x6 + 10lbs + priority
if that's the same box that you sent him, then you mustve used parcel post.
cjkim is offline  
Old 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM
  #68  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
canaryrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,325
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Good Lord let it go already, just resolve it and be done with it, and delete or close this thread.

dot.
canaryrx8 is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 04:07 AM
  #69  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looks like the item was delivered


Label/Receipt Number: 0308 2040 0001 7955 5876
Status: Delivered

Your item was delivered at 12:28 PM on December 22, 2008 in TUCSON, AZ 85712.


Would you please if you have not done so refund me all my money?

Mods please as soon as I get a refund close/delete this thread.

Last edited by Riken; 12-23-2008 at 05:08 AM.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 08:55 AM
  #70  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Still no refund.......
Riken is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 04:41 PM
  #71  
Rotary Crawfish
 
cajunrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Da swamps of La.
Posts: 450
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
I only ask this question to clear up in my mind what has happened.
Has Riken at any time called rx8evo on the phone or used the email addresses rx8 has given?
Has rx8evo cleaned out his inbox?
I have not seen anywhere that this was made clear.

Thanks all.
cajunrx8 is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 05:15 PM
  #72  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cajunrx8
I only ask this question to clear up in my mind what has happened.
Has Riken at any time called rx8evo on the phone or used the email addresses rx8 has given?
Has rx8evo cleaned out his inbox?
I have not seen anywhere that this was made clear.

Thanks all.

No I didn’t call. I honestly didn’t notice his cell # on his pm sig after the fact. I tried to PM him 3 minutes after I opened the box and notice the item was broken. I also posted in a thread he has that his inbox was full. So I started thinking, inbox full, wont reply on thread that he is going to clean inbox, so I took it to the forums instead of doing anything else. And since things gotten so out of hand like he stating I might have broken it when it was already broken before he shipped it and he wanted to inspect the taillight before giving me a refund that he didnt inspect before shipping. Thats why I want to keep it our communication in this thread. I just want my money back. Its been more than 24 hours that he has received the taillight and no word from him, and he was logged in the forum today at 5pm and didnt update me. I know he stated on other threads that he does work and does not have much time and so on. So im just waiting for him. I know he will do what a good seller should do.

Last edited by Riken; 12-23-2008 at 05:20 PM.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 05:26 PM
  #73  
Rotary Crawfish
 
cajunrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Da swamps of La.
Posts: 450
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Riken, I feel for you and him both, **** seeems to go wrong sometimes and just explodes out of control.
I hope for the good of everyone that this is put to bed and everybody will find no fault in the end.
Better luck in the future, don't jump too fast to judge, try every wat to communicate.

Peace to all, CajunRX8
cajunrx8 is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 05:38 PM
  #74  
Drive it!
 
Riken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rocky Mount NC
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
oh and ah your inbox is full again rx8evo.......also emailed you and left txt msg on cell.

Last edited by Riken; 12-23-2008 at 06:08 PM.
Riken is offline  
Old 12-23-2008, 07:57 PM
  #75  
1.3 liters of goodness
Thread Starter
 
rx8evo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: behind the steering wheel
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Riken LIED about the postage, and now I know why he was worried about me inspecting

Originally Posted by Riken
Why did you make this so complicated?
Im at fault for not contacting you more than the 4-5 times I tried.
But im sorry you are the one over reacting. please let stop this back and forth. This will be my last post for real this time.

No. I simply reacted to:

1. your premature action of rescinding your payment w/o contacting me,

2. your inaction to resolve the matter with me,

3. and your attempts to discredit me with your comments.

It seems now it's clear why you were so worried about me inspecting the taillights upon returning them to me.

> The lenses are more scratched up now than when I sent them to you.

Don't worry - I called Paypal (I spend 38 minutes with Latisha in resolutions) returns the amount you paid for the taillight to your paypal account, minus a fair amount to compensate for the damage you've added to the taillight I sent you.

Based on your behavior, I already had some suspicions, but now it's clear to me why you wanted a full refund BEFORE sending the taillight back:

> The postage did not cost you 29.00 as you said. It was 16.50, barely more than what it cost me to send the taillight to you in the first place.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...6/GEDC0189.jpg


This will be my last post about this until I see that you received the taillights.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...racer5/rec.jpg

You can see that total was $29 with tracking info.

Please lets this be over, ill be expecting a full refund no later than the same day you receive the lights.
It's interesting that you've suddenly deleted/removed the link to your photobucket pic of the receipt supposedly showing you paying $29 to ship the taillight back to me, but not before you've attempted to make yourself out to be the "good guy", but all the while you were attempting to get me to pay for half of something you lied about.

It appeared that the amount over 16.50 was used to pay for something like postage stamps at the post office. The fact that you tried to fraudulently collect for something not due to you is an outright attempt to cheat and lie.

You have been quoted that you want this over with, and so do I, but you and I seem to have different motivations why. I was simply trying to either:

1. receive funds for the item sent to you

or

2. receive the item back in the same condition it was sent to you


I have notified paypal that you have returned the item I sent to you, however, with more scratches on the outer lens than when it was sent to you. Just because you think this taillight is worthless, doesn't mean you can treat it that way, especially when you aren't paying for it. I've already explained in two different posts that the taillight is not worthless to me, so I expected it to be returned in the same condition as it was sent to you. That is not something unreasonable to ask for.

You've lied about speaking to Paypal, as they have no record of you calling them.

You've lied about saying that I told them that you were the seller and I was the buyer.

You've lied about the postage cost, and have since attempted to cover that up.


Upon numerous attempts to resolve this with you through, Paypal has released the funds of 59.00 back into my wife's paypal account, however, you and I need to discuss the matter of the additional scratches on the outer lens in order incurred since being in your possession for a fair amount to be settled upon to be refunded to you. Paypal has reiterated again today, that you must contact me in order to resolve the dispute you had originally made with paypal.

Upon resolution, I will leave it up to the moderators/admin to decide whether or not to delete this thread, as if it were left up to me, I would leave it as a record of not only how difficult it has been dealing with Riken on such a simple matter, but a record of him lying about postage and lying about speaking with Paypal, in an what I see as an attempt to discredit me for bringing to light the rescinding of payment and posting of rude comments without contacting me for resolution.

Riken, it really shouldn't be that hard to pick up the phone, send a PM, or email. I have grown weary of relaying this very same info to you over and over, only for you to not read what I post, and ignore my attempts to resolve this easily solvable matter, so this will be the last time I will ask you to contact me on this matter. I urge you to contact me via PM, email, or by phone so that this matter can be resolved.
rx8evo is offline  


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: rx8evo & Riken misunderstanding and overreaction Paypal Dispute



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:28 PM.