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I'm curious if these type of sensors are compatible (wiring and correction factors from the PDF used)... Dakota Digital (VDO) digital oil pressure sender
1) Standard automotive senders for op, ot, wt, etc. are resistive - their signal is in OHMS.
2) The goodbox aux inputs require a 0 to 5 VOLT signal.
That sender won't work! (Unless you add some extra electronics.)
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http://www.aemelectronics.com/150-ps...sensor-kit-659
http://www.aemelectronics.com/100-ps...sensor-kit-656
(The AEM gauge products also have a 0-5V output from the gauge head that could be used. Don't confuse a gauge output like that from the output of the sensor itself. Apparently their oil pressure sender *does* output a real 0-5v signal, but their temperature senders *do not*.)
These particular units even come with the transfer function that you'll need to code into the goodbox. 0-100 psi is fine for a stock oil system. For $100 more (yikes) you can get it in stainless steel. A quick clue that this is *not* a standard resistive sensor is the 3-wire hookup vs the usual 1 or 2 wires.
Many of the other references I've found are much more for OEM use, for example:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=480-2581-ND
$106 for one; $19,202 for 250 (group buy??)
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Verify with pieter3d though before buying, 'cause he's the engineer, not me ...
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This is who makes my oil temp gauge, will these work? I think so but need clarification.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
#85
I already have an oil filter adapter plate with an oil pressure sensor and oil temp sensor in it.
This is who makes my oil temp gauge, will these work? I think so but need clarification.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
This is who makes my oil temp gauge, will these work? I think so but need clarification.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
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just got mine in the mail! installation will commence tomorrow or tonight. eagerly awaiting for peeps to figure out what oil sensors will work and how. because i know nothing of computers and electronics.
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I already have an oil filter adapter plate with an oil pressure sensor and oil temp sensor in it.
This is who makes my oil temp gauge, will these work? I think so but need clarification.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
This is who makes my oil temp gauge, will these work? I think so but need clarification.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?ma...d714d51103d3e6
The temperature sender 99% sure won't work. Getting a temperature sensor with a "native" 0-5V linear output will be hard.
a) Do you want to have gauges + the goodbox display?
Or (b) do you want the goodbox display to replace the gauge entirely?
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The oil pressure sender would work, but has the same problem in requiring a 5V power source.
The temperature sender 99% sure won't work. Getting a temperature sensor with a "native" 0-5V linear output will be hard.
a) Do you want to have gauges + the goodbox display?
Or (b) do you want the goodbox display to replace the gauge entirely?
The temperature sender 99% sure won't work. Getting a temperature sensor with a "native" 0-5V linear output will be hard.
a) Do you want to have gauges + the goodbox display?
Or (b) do you want the goodbox display to replace the gauge entirely?
I would at least like to eliminate my oil pressure gauge. I am ok keeping the Auber oil temp gauge since it's mounted in the radio and doesn't stand out. Then I'll use whoneedspistons new pod for EGT, Oil Temp, and Nitrous.
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The oil pressure sender would work, but has the same problem in requiring a 5V power source.
The temperature sender 99% sure won't work. Getting a temperature sensor with a "native" 0-5V linear output will be hard.
a) Do you want to have gauges + the goodbox display?
Or (b) do you want the goodbox display to replace the gauge entirely?
The temperature sender 99% sure won't work. Getting a temperature sensor with a "native" 0-5V linear output will be hard.
a) Do you want to have gauges + the goodbox display?
Or (b) do you want the goodbox display to replace the gauge entirely?
It seems that all we will need is a temp/pressure sender with a native 0-5v output and some way to get a 5v power supply to it. This sounds simple enough in theory, but I hope someone else can elaborate on how/if it will work in practice?
If anyone gets it working (or expects to), I'm sure a link to what will work would be beneficial to others here.
EDIT: Maybe we should take this discussion to the orignal thread and leave this for the group buy itself?
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AFAIK Neither OIL Temp or OIL Pressure can be monitored with the GoodBox for a Series 1 with OEM sensors as your cars PCM does not monitor the variables in Voltage to measure Oil Pressure and or Oil Temps (OEM has no Oil Temp Sensor)...in other words, if a ScanGauge and any OBD Reader does not include these two neither can this Great GoodBox, again as it is taking the same standard "signals" from PCM just like a ScanGauge or OBD+Key does.
The Series 2, Oil Pressure Sensor is mounted on #1 EMOP (electric metering oil pump),it does report Voltage Resistance to the PCM, it determines Voltage as Oil Pressure (7 to 21 PSI Approx, inside EMOP) the higher the Voltage the Higher the Oil Pressure or Lower the Voltage the Lower the Oil Pressure, if there is a problem with engine Oil Pressure in Series 2 you get a constant Warning Lamp if too low, and or the same warning lamp flashes if there is an Oil Supply or Control Malfunction at EMOP.
Unfortunately it appears this can not also be read at OBD, well not with the OBD+Key Reader I use for my car.
Pieter, may be able to access these Voltage readouts if he is given the correct "Numbers" from a S2??
The Sensor for S1's (Under Oil Filter) AFAIK just registers a Drop or Low Voltage from Low Oil Pressure/Level, hence the dash warning light.
Sorry for my simpleton speak..
The Series 2, Oil Pressure Sensor is mounted on #1 EMOP (electric metering oil pump),it does report Voltage Resistance to the PCM, it determines Voltage as Oil Pressure (7 to 21 PSI Approx, inside EMOP) the higher the Voltage the Higher the Oil Pressure or Lower the Voltage the Lower the Oil Pressure, if there is a problem with engine Oil Pressure in Series 2 you get a constant Warning Lamp if too low, and or the same warning lamp flashes if there is an Oil Supply or Control Malfunction at EMOP.
Unfortunately it appears this can not also be read at OBD, well not with the OBD+Key Reader I use for my car.
Pieter, may be able to access these Voltage readouts if he is given the correct "Numbers" from a S2??
The Sensor for S1's (Under Oil Filter) AFAIK just registers a Drop or Low Voltage from Low Oil Pressure/Level, hence the dash warning light.
Sorry for my simpleton speak..
Last edited by ASH8; 07-15-2010 at 12:20 AM.
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Sorry guys, should have read last thread page here /\ /\...Dam the email Updates!
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AFAIK Neither OIL Temp or OIL Pressure can be monitored with the GoodBox for a Series 1 with OEM sensors as your cars PCM does not monitor the variables in Voltage to measure Oil Pressure and or Oil Temps (OEM has no Oil Temp Sensor)...in other words, if a ScanGauge and any OBD Reader does not include these two neither can this Great GoodBox, again as it is taking the same standard "signals" from PCM just like a ScanGauge or OBD+Key does.
EDIT:
And I should have given you a few moments before responding.
Last edited by AusAndrew; 07-15-2010 at 12:04 AM.
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http://www.aemelectronics.com/150-ps...sensor-kit-659 sensor.
Pressure sensors like this are findable, temperature sensors are all resistive. I think by putting a "step up" resistor in a circuit powered at 5V, the normal aftermarket sensors can be made to work. I have to think about this a little and dig up a few bits of hardware. My Goodbox arrived last night, so maybe I can come up with a working example in a week or so.
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I was at least expecting it to be gold plated ![Suspect](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/suspect.gif)
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Too bad it only has boost and not vacuum too ....
measuring oil pressure on a Renesis is a total waste, especially when you haven't even bothered to measure fuel pressure yet ...
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Too bad it only has boost and not vacuum too ....
measuring oil pressure on a Renesis is a total waste, especially when you haven't even bothered to measure fuel pressure yet ...
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 07-15-2010 at 05:17 PM.