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09-01-2011, 12:23 PM
#4401
Just start premixing a half ounce per gal, that should band aid it for a few months. I had compression much lower than yours, premixing took the rough idle away and helped build compression.
When I finally cracked open my engine the only issue I found was side seal shrinkage.
When I finally cracked open my engine the only issue I found was side seal shrinkage.
09-01-2011, 01:30 PM
#4404
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
Thanks for the feedback, I am mainly thinking of things that would create a conflict down the road. I think going with a few of the "standards" (ex: cobb, sohn, mazda oil stuff, major cooling in this crazy weather, etc) but I am still investigating. I have exhaust, brakes, cai and soon to be suspension on the way.
If you don’t mind me asking what did you end up paying for your pineapple? Is it in line with the other 13b motors on their website (excluding the porting, oil mod and other upgrades)? Just a ball park would be good, got to start a budget and prioritize. I am going to keep driving it until it starts stalling again...I really thought I was going to have to get another car to get me by...I
at the idea of driving a civic/camry
If you don’t mind me asking what did you end up paying for your pineapple? Is it in line with the other 13b motors on their website (excluding the porting, oil mod and other upgrades)? Just a ball park would be good, got to start a budget and prioritize. I am going to keep driving it until it starts stalling again...I really thought I was going to have to get another car to get me by...I
at the idea of driving a civic/camryI had Pineapple rebuild a 2008 motor with 5,000 miles on it instead and he took my old motor as a $500.00 core. Plus my motor has stage II oil mods, heavy duty coolant seals, and it's ported. But for a basic stock rebuild their prices should be inline with most of the builders I talked too.
Choosing a builder is tough, but in the end I was much more comfortable with a shop that has built thousands of rotary engines and has standard practice for the whole process rather than someone rebuilding them in his garage who may or may not have things in order. Communication was awesome, shipping was a breeze, and I have the full support of the builder if i need him during my install. Rob gave me his personal cell and said I could call him at any point if I needed help with anything. And after inspecting this engine, i can tell you much care was taken putting it together. I truly hope it lives up to my expectations.
My second choice would have been Charles at BHR because I know Charles would be outstanding from a service point of view. He has not built a **** ton of rotaries like the rest of the builders but most of the ones he has built, have been for forced induction setups and as far as I know, none of them have failed yet so that is something to think about. BDC is okay and has always been polite and very helpful to me, but I have read some not so good things and I just didn't think it was worth the risk when I had options like Pineapple, BHR, Mazmart, etc.
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09-01-2011, 02:28 PM
#4405
Well what I paid is not really comparable because I did not rebuild my old motor (I didn't want to rebuild something that had already been rebuilt by Mazda).
I had Pineapple rebuild a 2008 motor with 5,000 miles on it instead and he took my old motor as a $500.00 core. Plus my motor has stage II oil mods, heavy duty coolant seals, and it's ported. But for a basic stock rebuild their prices should be inline with most of the builders I talked too.
Choosing a builder is tough, but in the end I was much more comfortable with a shop that has built thousands of rotary engines and has standard practice for the whole process rather than someone rebuilding them in his garage who may or may not have things in order. Communication was awesome, shipping was a breeze, and I have the full support of the builder if i need him during my install. Rob gave me his personal cell and said I could call him at any point if I needed help with anything. And after inspecting this engine, i can tell you much care was taken putting it together. I truly hope it lives up to my expectations.
My second choice would have been Charles at BHR because I know Charles would be outstanding from a service point of view. He has not built a **** ton of rotaries like the rest of the builders but most of the ones he has built, have been for forced induction setups and as far as I know, none of them have failed yet so that is something to think about. BDC is okay and has always been polite and very helpful to me, but I have read some not so good things and I just didn't think it was worth the risk when I had options like Pineapple, BHR, Mazmart, etc.
I had Pineapple rebuild a 2008 motor with 5,000 miles on it instead and he took my old motor as a $500.00 core. Plus my motor has stage II oil mods, heavy duty coolant seals, and it's ported. But for a basic stock rebuild their prices should be inline with most of the builders I talked too.
Choosing a builder is tough, but in the end I was much more comfortable with a shop that has built thousands of rotary engines and has standard practice for the whole process rather than someone rebuilding them in his garage who may or may not have things in order. Communication was awesome, shipping was a breeze, and I have the full support of the builder if i need him during my install. Rob gave me his personal cell and said I could call him at any point if I needed help with anything. And after inspecting this engine, i can tell you much care was taken putting it together. I truly hope it lives up to my expectations.
My second choice would have been Charles at BHR because I know Charles would be outstanding from a service point of view. He has not built a **** ton of rotaries like the rest of the builders but most of the ones he has built, have been for forced induction setups and as far as I know, none of them have failed yet so that is something to think about. BDC is okay and has always been polite and very helpful to me, but I have read some not so good things and I just didn't think it was worth the risk when I had options like Pineapple, BHR, Mazmart, etc.
Your feedback on pineapple is exactly what I am looking for. I know there are other builders that are capable but there is soooooo much more than just getting an engine delivered to my doorstep.
09-01-2011, 02:55 PM
#4406
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
I don’t think I am interested in rebuilding this engine; it was already a reman when I got it from mazda so doing it again is setting me up for failure for sure. If I am going to spend the time to go through this exercise making the right decision is more important than saving a few coins (not to say I want to blow a bunch of money unnecessarily) I emailed Rob and hopefully will hear back from him Early Next week to discuss options.
Your feedback on pineapple is exactly what I am looking for. I know there are other builders that are capable but there is soooooo much more than just getting an engine delivered to my doorstep.
Your feedback on pineapple is exactly what I am looking for. I know there are other builders that are capable but there is soooooo much more than just getting an engine delivered to my doorstep.
Yeah a couple of the builders I contacted gave me the impression that I was annoying them with questions, etc. or they were super slow to respond or just didn't respond at all (won't name any names, ahem). brad with RIP IT did take the time to rescind and answer questions so I can say that he is very professional and seemed like he knew what he was talking about.
Rob Golden is just on another level though, it was obvious from the get go that he has built a **** ton of these things for all types of uses. Everything from buggies, Baja trucks, street 8's, track 8's, NA, Turbo, you name it.
09-01-2011, 03:21 PM
#4408
Just start premixing a half ounce per gal, that should band aid it for a few months. I had compression much lower than yours, premixing took the rough idle away and helped build compression.
When I finally cracked open my engine the only issue I found was side seal shrinkage.
When I finally cracked open my engine the only issue I found was side seal shrinkage.
I dont guess it would "hurt" to install the exhaust, midpipe and cai would it? Thoughts?
09-01-2011, 03:26 PM
#4410
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
I say don't install any of it because the midpipe and CAI will have to come off again. Make a list of every little thing you may need and start working on that. Getting the garage organized is a good start.
09-01-2011, 03:34 PM
#4412
I dont guess it would "hurt" to install the exhaust, midpipe and cai would it? Thoughts?
won't name any names, ahem
I guess the engine Team is selling me is a stock none reman with less then 10k. IDK if I will most likely put that one in AS is and when I pull the current motor out that should be in fine working order with less then 15k I will send that guy out to get rebuilt.
09-01-2011, 03:45 PM
#4413
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
No reason to install the CAI at this point but the exhaust... sure.
I have a good Idea and they have treated me that way more then a few times even when putting down some serious coin.
I guess the engine Team is selling me is a stock none reman with less then 10k. IDK if I will most likely put that one in AS is and when I pull the current motor out that should be in fine working order with less then 15k I will send that guy out to get rebuilt.
I have a good Idea and they have treated me that way more then a few times even when putting down some serious coin.
I guess the engine Team is selling me is a stock none reman with less then 10k. IDK if I will most likely put that one in AS is and when I pull the current motor out that should be in fine working order with less then 15k I will send that guy out to get rebuilt.
09-01-2011, 03:53 PM
#4415
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
I really hope he tells me all my effort premixing, running the SOHN, running catless, BHR kit, changing oil like a maniac, etc. really helped. I am betting on a failed coolant seal as well.
09-01-2011, 03:57 PM
#4417
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
According to Rob at Pineapple it only takes one good overheating to fry the factory coolant seals, he says they are not that great to begin with. But of course he is a little biased since he makes the heavy duty coolant seals.
09-01-2011, 04:03 PM
#4418
That sounds good, I would go with a factory built motor over a reman anyday. Just go with the SOHN from day one. I am so anxious for Rob to tear apart my old motor and report back.
09-01-2011, 04:28 PM
#4420
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
I am willing to bet your engine is toasty and received some thermal damage. Not so much from your over heat but I have seen that thing first hand... never in my life have i seen so much RTV everywhere in an engine build. There has to be some partially blocked passages somewhere.
There is a bunch of knowledge on this site. At times it can be a dangerous thing though. I had a long talk with Rob at pineapple and Rob at AMR about the information on the internet and forums and both of them had similar explanations as to why they did not participate on forums.
09-01-2011, 05:38 PM
#4423
after reading through several hundred pages of posts over the last few days you can kind of get a sense of who if full of **** and who knows their ****.
I remember for about two months I was obsessed with water injection on a NA engine..... its a learning process that is for sure.
09-01-2011, 05:41 PM
#4424
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
Yeah no joke there. I am no pro that is for sure. I have my opinions and for the most part reserve them for friends or when I see things unsafe or stupid.
I remember for about two months I was obsessed with water injection on a NA engine..... its a learning process that is for sure.
I remember for about two months I was obsessed with water injection on a NA engine..... its a learning process that is for sure.
Yep and I swore I would never boost my 8
09-01-2011, 05:45 PM
#4425
Yeah no joke there. I am no pro that is for sure. I have my opinions and for the most part reserve them for friends or when I see things unsafe or stupid.
I remember for about two months I was obsessed with water injection on a NA engine..... its a learning process that is for sure.
I remember for about two months I was obsessed with water injection on a NA engine..... its a learning process that is for sure.
I will do my due dilligence to research here (and google) but it looks like you guys have already been down this road and worked in and out of options (cant fault me for trying to take advantage of that 
I look forward to meeting some of you in person...maybe beers at tilted kilt sometime?