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Old 07-25-2008, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac

I love that. I think, sometimes, I live for that.
yeah, me likey..... remember the talk about intentionally going pig rich at a certain point to achieve this.... well, before long i wont have to worry about that anymore.... BOV - atmosphere

Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
No. That information is handles by the ABS system and simply reported to the PCM as a timer.
Even the gauge cluster and audio/NAV system listen to the ABS for that info.
thats cool, cant really get too far off % wise anyway with common wheel/tire combo's
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Sounds like you are on the correct flash.
Just watch your equivalence ratio at cruise above 4000 RPM. That is the range that is typically over-rich to save the CAT and the range I usually target for fuel economy by leaning out.
Cool. I will drive a bit more today and check the equivalence ratio, I was cruising mostly under 3000 yesterday, seemed to be 14.5 - 15 then if I recall correctly.

Btw, if I choose to take the cat off, will your map "burn" something like the RP midpipe as well? Because if I replace the cat I need something that isn't too loud. I'd probably have to put cat back on for technical checkup every other year, so I don't know if emissions matters THAT much for me. But noise does. And smell, but I understood it shouldn't be too bad since the AP map is leaner.

(I've searched and read about midpipes but frankly there's a lot of either full on praising, or they just don't have the same needs as me. I don't want it sounding like a racecar, just aggressive )
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MM, have you had a chance to look at my horrible new screen shot of my log?
Old 07-26-2008, 05:25 AM
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I'm very interested in the MM version if/when it's available for EU. I also sent a PM to you, MM, did you get it?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
That information is handles by the ABS system and simply reported to the PCM as a timer.
Even the gauge cluster and audio/NAV system listen to the ABS for that info.
Which is retarded considering how inexpensive GPS hardware is...you would have figured that they would have switched to a system which used gps data when available to calibrate the entire system...from timers to positioning data to correct for speedo deviations...

I cant stand poor unsynchronized systems using assumed data...

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My speedo is about 3mph off. When it reads 75, my GPS reads 72. Makes me feel better in a way though... cause I'll set the cruise at 75 in a 65 or 80 in a 70 ... that 3 mph variance helps quite a bit come cop time.
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Mine does that too, but I have been by those "your speed is" things on the side of the road and they tell me my spedo is right and my GPS is off.

But kinda off topic though.
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Originally Posted by V1.0
Mine does that too, but I have been by those "your speed is" things on the side of the road and they tell me my spedo is right and my GPS is off.

But kinda off topic though.
And to further our OTness, the last time I passed one of those "your speed is" things, it agreed with my GPS.
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Just got home after remod "breakin"...after flashing to the correct trim...swapping out the parts...doing a quick brake job (hawk ceramics)...

From Austin to SA (thru rush hours) and back...according to the AP...24.1 MPG

Stuff that into your pipe and smoke it...heh
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MM forgot to mention I have HKS Twin Peak on too.
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Would any one be willing to help me with creating a good graph with excel from my log, so I can send it to MM? I haven't had much time and the time I have spent, it just doesn't seem like it comes out right.
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This thread grows so fast! Got your e-mail before going out of town MM, will load it onto the AP soon. Looking forward to the tach hitting the 10 heh.
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Originally Posted by V1.0
Would any one be willing to help me with creating a good graph with excel from my log, so I can send it to MM? I haven't had much time and the time I have spent, it just doesn't seem like it comes out right.
I could use help with this as well. Is Excel the desired format? I use EFI Dude, how about you?
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I could use help with this as well. Is Excel the desired format? I use EFI Dude, how about you?
Yeah, I think MM and others prefer an excel graph. I've tried but can't seem to get the graph to do what I want it to. Yup I use the same. Works good I think. It outputs an excel data chart but you have to create the graph.
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Originally Posted by V1.0
Yeah, I think MM and others prefer an excel graph. I've tried but can't seem to get the graph to do what I want it to. Yup I use the same. Works good I think. It outputs an excel data chart but you have to create the graph.
Here's what I do with my EFIDude CSV data:
1. Export to CSV. If you do not Reset/Delete VIN from your EFIDude periodically this file will grow quite large over time. You'll always find your most recent session at the end of the file.

2. Open Excel and Import/Open the CSV file into a workbook.

3. Create a new Sheet (New-->Worksheet) or use one of the extras (Excel typically creates 3 worksheets for a new workbook) - you can find them in the tabs at the bottom of Excel named "Sheet 1", "Sheet 2", etc.

4. Select all of Row 1 in the CSV sheet and paste it into your new sheet's Row 1. This brings over all the column headers.

5. Locate the row in the CSV sheet that you want to copy from and select it and all rows underneath. Keyboard shortcuts help a lot here (Click into Column A of the starting row then while holding down Shift hit Ctrl and End. With everything selected, release Shift-Ctrl-End and hit Ctrl-C. This'll put it all in your clipboard.

6. Go to your new sheet, click into Row 2 Column A, and paste (Ctrl-V) the selection from other CSV sheet.

7. Click on the column header for RPM (this should select the entire RPM series), right click on the selection and click Insert from the context menu. This will create a new column right before RPM. Also, make note of the column letter for RPM. You're going to need this.

8. In Row 1 of your new Column type "RPM / 100" to give it a meaningful name.

9. Using the column letter that you identified for RPM, click into Row 2 of your new RPM / 100 series and type "=C2 / 100" (without the quotes) and press Enter. -- this assumes that RPM is column C.

10. Click into your new RPM / 100 value in Row 2, and press Ctrl-C. Now click on Row 3 of your RPM / 100 row and while holding down Shift, hit Ctrl-End.

11. While continuing to hold down Shift, use your left arrow key to move in your selection so that only your new Row series is selected. Press Ctrl-V to paste your RPM / 100 formula into the remaining rows.

12. Click into Row 1, Cell 1 and press Ctrl-A. All data should now be selected. Go to the Insert pulldown and select Chart.

13. Select the Line Chart type and let it do its thing.

14. One series will significantly outpace all the rest (regular RPM). If you click on the series data line in the chart and hit delete it should remove it from the series list. You can also right click on the chart and select "Source Data" and remove it from the resulting dialog that way too. There are a couple different ways to go about this depending on the version of Excel you're running.

15. Remove all other unnecessary series. That's everything except RPM / 100, MAF, Air Fuel Ratio, Load %, and Vehicle Speed.

16. To clean things up further, lets now get Air Fuel Ratio onto the secondary axis. The easiest way to do this (again it varies from version to version) is to right click on the data series line once it is selected and select "Format Data Series". From there select "Plot Series On: Secondary Axis".

17. Now lets clean up the two Y axis. Select the left side labels, right click and go into Format Axis... (again ... varies). Override the Automatic settings for min and max to be right around your min and max values.

18. Do the same for the secondary Y axis. Select the right side labels and change the min/max from automatic for your AFR. I typically set my max at 15 and my min at 11.
Make sure that when you generate a chart you do so with all rows having a Load % value of around 100%. 98% and above is okay, but you really want to WOT -- pedal to the floor.

You can easily convert your chart into a JPEG or BMP by selecting out of the chart, and while holding down the Alt key, press Prt Scr (Print Screen). Open up MSPAINT (Start-->Run-->mspaint) and paste (Ctrl-V) your Excel window into it. You can then use the selection tool to draw a rectangle around your chart, hit Ctrl-C (Copy), Click on file from the pulldown, select New, and then Ctrl-V (paste) your selection into a new image file. Save the image from the File Pulldown.

PM me with any questions. This can quickly take us OT.

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Old 07-28-2008, 09:14 AM
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uninstalled my midpipe/accessport yesterday in prep of going to the dealer sometime this week for "loss of power" concerns. Good lord, is this how the car really felt? It feels like i have 3 dead bodies in the trunk.
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Jeff any way you can tell me where your at with my updated map. also i've gone from stock exhaust gutted cat to full 3" system race mid pipe will I need a new map?
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Shelldude,

Thanks a bunch!! I sent you a PM, hope it makes sense, I'm really tired.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
No. That information is handles by the ABS system and simply reported to the PCM as a timer.
Even the gauge cluster and audio/NAV system listen to the ABS for that info.
It seems to make sense to use the ABS wheel speed sensors for this, but I'm surprised that the tire diameter isn't configurable in the PCM. Are you saying that the ABS system reports the actual speed to the PCM periodically, or that it sends the frequency of wheel rotation?
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Originally Posted by rotary.enthusiast
It seems to make sense to use the ABS wheel speed sensors for this, but I'm surprised that the tire diameter isn't configurable in the PCM. Are you saying that the ABS system reports the actual speed to the PCM periodically, or that it sends the frequency of wheel rotation?
frequency of wheel rotation. ABS would have no way to know actual speed(based on tire diameter/circumference) unless it had that data stored in it. no need to make things more complex than they need be, so i am betting its frequency. the PCM then translates this into speed, but with no variables to change in the equation.

am i right?
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Originally Posted by paulmasoner
frequency of wheel rotation. ABS would have no way to know actual speed(based on tire diameter/circumference) unless it had that data stored in it. no need to make things more complex than they need be, so i am betting its frequency. the PCM then translates this into speed, but with no variables to change in the equation.

am i right?
It doesn't make any more sense to hard-code the tire diameter in the PCM than it does in the ABS system itself

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Thinking about it, it really doesn't matter what "units" the ABS transmits speed to the PCM in, there is still going to be some translation in the PCM to get the actual MPH number. I just find it surprising that there isn't a scaling factor that can be modified. If they decided to change the tire sizes on the RX8 would they really want to change the PCM's programming instead of just modifying a single flash parameter?

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Old 07-29-2008, 06:07 PM
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The PCM has nothing to do with it. The ABS-HU does the calculation.
There is firmware in there and there is probably a way to flash it, but not through the PCM.
I would imaging that there is a flash bridge in the eMDS.
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i find it strange though that the canscan extended data program can show the rev/mile scale factor in the PCM... i dont think it can read from the ABS system
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Its a fixed value that is passed from the cluster.


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