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Old 03-23-2008, 07:03 PM
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r0tor - I'm sure you have posted this elsewhere but what mods do you have? I am running the MS CAI and a midpipe.
RP high flow cat and RB catback exhaust
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Originally Posted by jackhain
I'll give it a shot. Right after I reset via the AP, the car idles poorly. The STFT starts in the mid 20s and slowly counts down to 0 while the LTFT climbs up to compensate. I'll still try resetting it using the "official" method, but I suspect I'll get the same results. Thanks for your help.
According to the spec sheet you sent to me, your car is totally stock.
Have you loaded the Cobb-supplied "stock" calibration and watched your fuel trims?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
According to the spec sheet you sent to me, your car is totally stock.
Have you loaded the Cobb-supplied "stock" calibration and watched your fuel trims?
Yes I have. I forget the numbers exactaly, but the LTFT never made it down to zero unless my foot was on the gas. The car runs very well, but these numbers are bothering me.

I know it's _not_ a problem with the AP or your maps, so it must be a hardware issue in the car itself. Logically it would be the stock injectors with 60k miles on them. I have no problem throwing the cash down to buy a new set if it will help resolve the issue.
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No, your injectors are fine.
They'll last practically forever.

Please, load the Cobb "stock" calibration, reset the PCM, put the display in "live data" mode with the car in the "on" position and then start the car and observe the fuel trims.
Then, drive around until the engine is warmed up, take a highway trip and come back home and park.
After an hour or two, do all this again and look at the trims again.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
No, your injectors are fine.
They'll last practically forever.

Please, load the Cobb "stock" calibration, reset the PCM, put the display in "live data" mode with the car in the "on" position and then start the car and observe the fuel trims.
Then, drive around until the engine is warmed up, take a highway trip and come back home and park.
After an hour or two, do all this again and look at the trims again.
Gotcha. Driving to and from work will have to do. Fifteen or so miles of mixed "stop-n-go" traffic and crusiing. I'll go flash the stock map on there and report back tomorrow evening.
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please tell me that is 3 people ...
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I've seen Razz. I wouldn't be suprised if it was four and a body in the trunk.
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Razz is perfect racer-size.
It would take four of him to hit 527 + a set of golf clubs.
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anyone know if the AP will work with the Esmeril turbo kit?
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it will work but tuning is a bit more challenging due to MAF location on Esmiril. (after turbo)
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Originally Posted by 05rex8
anyone know if the AP will work with the Esmeril turbo kit?
Probably.
The problem is the blow-through setup.
The MAF doesn't like that very much.

As soon as I come across one, I'll tune for it.
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hey MM, when is the next order going in?

ill be ordering this coming week!
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Wednesday! Friday turn-around.
People in that order will receive then early next week.
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Jeff. Did you send out some APs before the weekend??
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
it will work but tuning is a bit more challenging due to MAF location on Esmiril. (after turbo)
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Probably.
The problem is the blow-through setup.
The MAF doesn't like that very much.

As soon as I come across one, I'll tune for it.
I'm still trying to think of a way to make it draw-through. There just isn't any room in there.
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Originally Posted by morkusyambo
Jeff. Did you send out some APs before the weekend??
No. They are going out Monday.
I'll make sure you get yours by Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
No. They are going out Monday.
I'll make sure you get yours by Wednesday.
Thanks. Just to be redundant. I have an 04 MT with the Pettit S/C kit and a straight pipe where the CAT used to be. I don't know if this makes a difference, but I will be doing the LS2 ignition upgrade before I start boosting again.

Lastly, I would like the rev limiter set to 10,000rpm.
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why do you want to go to 10,000rpm?
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Because its 800 more than 9200!
800 more of something is a good thing.
Unless its fleas.
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Originally Posted by FloppinNachos
why do you want to go to 10,000rpm?
I don't want to.

I have to.

I feel the need to.
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Originally Posted by morkusyambo
Lastly, I would like the rev limiter set to 10,000rpm.
You don't wanna do this! Bearing stresses go up exponentially as RPMs climb. 1000RPM over 9000 is much more stressful than 1000 over 8000. Maximum rated RPM for transmission components is 10500 RPM. I forget the exact reasoning, but the engine can't flow enough air to give any meaningful power at 10K... it would be pointless to rev so so high. Power output aside, I'd be worried about bearing failure at 10K.

I think the 9200 and 9300 RPM limit is nice because it's just a touch more RPMs and with all the AFR leaning, the power doesn't fall off as rapidly at 9000 as it does stock.
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Don't forget that Lysholm's rev limit for the blower (plus the overdrive ratio of the pulley system) puts the maximum motor speed around 8400 RPM.
But you can do whatever you like.
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Originally Posted by Astral
You don't wanna do this! Bearing stresses go up exponentially as RPMs climb. 1000RPM over 9000 is much more stressful than 1000 over 8000. Maximum rated RPM for transmission components is 10500 RPM. I forget the exact reasoning, but the engine can't flow enough air to give any meaningful power at 10K... it would be pointless to rev so so high. Power output aside, I'd be worried about bearing failure at 10K.

I think the 9200 and 9300 RPM limit is nice because it's just a touch more RPMs and with all the AFR leaning, the power doesn't fall off as rapidly at 9000 as it does stock.
I appreciate your concern. Let me reassure you by saying if the car doesnt' make any more power above 9k, then I "promise" I will not drive it up there.

Oh, I also "promise I will never die".
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Don't forget that Lysholm's rev limit for the blower (plus the overdrive ratio of the pulley system) puts the maximum motor speed around 8400 RPM.
But you can do whatever you like.
Does the ratio from Pettit take the Lysholm over 15k after 8400 rpm??
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I know. I honestly didn't know that the ratio from Pettit spun the blower over 15k at higher rpms. I thought it didn't, but if it does..........Cool!!
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Weekend Results...

LTFT is @ -2%...STFT is @ +/- ~2% with 0 avg...

Stage 2 map...pre-warmup two rpm transition points causes a heavy "stumble"...the avg temps for the car fluxed from 190-200 with a 77F ambient temp.

Stage 3 brought up the temps to 200-210 nominal on the same day...

I'm running back on 2 until I get the rest of the car sorted along with replacing the plugs, and doing a complete flush of the coolant system to change the ratio...
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Originally Posted by NgoRX8
I'm still trying to think of a way to make it draw-through. There just isn't any room in there.
would be nice to pull that off so you can tune with the Accessport


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