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Old 05-04-2008, 05:46 PM
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well i flashed to "5a" and the STFT is mostly from -6 to 6. sometimes it goes a little above, and so far after that one drive cycle, the LTFT is at +3, so we will see.
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^Glad to help!

Carson turn your boost controller off and give it a go. Any difference?
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Scott, i dont have a boost controller, but im planning to get one tho.
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What rocketman said is wrong.

If you have possitive LTFT you shoud use the "a" maps.
If you have negative LTFT you shoud use the "b" maps.
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Originally Posted by turborx8
What rocketman said is wrong.

If you have possitive LTFT you shoud use the "a" maps.
If you have negative LTFT you shoud use the "b" maps.
Turborx8 is correct.

Negative=B
Positive=A
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Originally Posted by SebtownRx8
No lies, got mine Friday have had it installed for a few days trying different maps, pretty sure that stock config has more power, doesn't struggle in lower rpms. i've ran 3 maps 1a 1b 2b and the 0 map to start out, only tried that 1a cause the b's seemed bad but then a's are worse. If i can do it again.... prob save the 732$ no joke, trying to contact jeff to get my money back, cause the only good thing it did was set the rpm to 830 or so, and maybe if i got a check engine light pop up i could read it but for 732$ for a map thats makes less whp that stock map.... somethings wrong here.
Yea man i agree the gain arent big big but they are notceable.. even with my ignition solution and the cobb the gains ive felt are dissapointing especially if my buddies 07 civic SI is quicker than me with just headers and a bootlegged air intake..

Response is MUch improved.. its mainly on mid rpm range and nothing felt up past 7K RPM

gas mileage is about the same if not just a tad bit better.. maybe like 5 more miles to my tank of gas which i usually get like 173 now im getting like 179-185 to a full tank

its not a miracle maker im aware of that but it also isnt a power maker either hahah

Im still gonna keep it since its gonna be usefull once i go turbo.. byut for N/A its not worth 700 bucks
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Originally Posted by SebtownRx8
No lies, got mine Friday have had it installed for a few days trying different maps, pretty sure that stock config has more power, doesn't struggle in lower rpms. i've ran 3 maps 1a 1b 2b and the 0 map to start out, only tried that 1a cause the b's seemed bad but then a's are worse. If i can do it again.... prob save the 732$ no joke, trying to contact jeff to get my money back, cause the only good thing it did was set the rpm to 830 or so, and maybe if i got a check engine light pop up i could read it but for 732$ for a map thats makes less whp that stock map.... somethings wrong here.
How can you tell unless you go on a Dyno? The butt dyno doesn't work. The people in Cali who had MM tune their AP's saw 15 HP. That's $46 per HP, to me that's better then paying $300 for a CAI and make 5HP, which is 60$ per HP. I got the AP knowing the gains were not going to be huge but with in mind that when I go FI next year it will payoff. Once I dyno my car next month with and without the AP we'll see how much it helps out.
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Originally Posted by SebtownRx8
No lies, got mine Friday have had it installed for a few days trying different maps, pretty sure that stock config has more power, doesn't struggle in lower rpms. i've ran 3 maps 1a 1b 2b and the 0 map to start out, only tried that 1a cause the b's seemed bad but then a's are worse. If i can do it again.... prob save the 732$ no joke, trying to contact jeff to get my money back, cause the only good thing it did was set the rpm to 830 or so, and maybe if i got a check engine light pop up i could read it but for 732$ for a map thats makes less whp that stock map.... somethings wrong here.
With no tuning and the stock Cobb map, I had a dyno proven 10 HP gain. I've got the sheets posted in the Alpha Test thread. If you were expecting a significant performance gain just from reflashing with the AP, you should have done a little more research.
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
How can you tell unless you go on a Dyno? The butt dyno doesn't work. The people in Cali who had MM tune their AP's saw 15 HP. That's $46 per HP, to me that's better then paying $300 for a CAI and make 5HP, which is 60$ per HP. I got the AP knowing the gains were not going to be huge but with in mind that when I go FI next year it will payoff. Once I dyno my car next month with and without the AP we'll see how much it helps out.
Most definitely it will prove itself once FI.. thats why im not getting rid of it..

I felt more of its gains in the mid range RPM's high end nothing really.. pulls harder but its not a miracle maker..
I would say both the ignition solution and the cob unit give at most 12 HP well i wont know for sure but i will hit that dyno hopefully here soon.
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Originally Posted by huzer21
With no tuning and the stock Cobb map, I had a dyno proven 10 HP gain. I've got the sheets posted in the Alpha Test thread. If you were expecting a significant performance gain just from reflashing with the AP, you should have done a little more research.
10 hp really?? I guess every car is different..

Id say at the most it gave me 6-8 hp..

but yea he should of done more research before buying it.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
If you guys focus on the power gains then you are really missing much else of that which the AP has to offer.
Exactly!

perfectly worded <<<<< if thats even a word
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Originally Posted by 05rx8mazda
10 hp really?? I guess every car is different..

Id say at the most it gave me 6-8 hp..
yeah, every car can be different in how it handles the maps. I picked up 19 hp on a Mustang Dyno 2 weeks ago. (I dyno'd at 191 hp last year so I'm pretty excited to confirm the gain on a different dyno in the near future)
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
How can you tell unless you go on a Dyno? The butt dyno doesn't work. The people in Cali who had MM tune their AP's saw 15 HP. That's $46 per HP, to me that's better then paying $300 for a CAI and make 5HP, which is 60$ per HP. I got the AP knowing the gains were not going to be huge but with in mind that when I go FI next year it will payoff. Once I dyno my car next month with and without the AP we'll see how much it helps out.
Yeah they were lucky and live down in socal, maybe get MM to do a NorCal Tune session? one problem i see is that he is a busy guy.
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He's busy but always willing to help out, for a small fee Us here in the MW are looking to get him down here next month for a tune session.
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I have an important announcement to make

My car rocks.


That is all.
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Originally Posted by mysql
I have an important announcement to make

My car rocks.


That is all.
Proof.....
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Originally Posted by mysql
I have an important announcement to make

My car rocks.


That is all.
pics and vids or it never happened...
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
He's busy but always willing to help out, for a small fee Us here in the MW are looking to get him down here next month for a tune session.

you mean up here?
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
pics and vids or it never happened...
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Originally Posted by Kane
Proof.....
Originally Posted by Jedi54
pics and vids or it never happened...
what they said
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Originally Posted by Kane
Proof.....
X1

We need details!

I learn so much from you're setup! lol
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Originally Posted by cheeto
you mean up here?
Oh, yes
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no its not
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
I was on the phone with Jeff and Jason when it happened. My word is all you need.
Spill - punk b*tch...
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