StealthTL

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Well said.

r0tor

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To declare the service is not free, you must declare how much you paid for it.

The answer is you did not pay a single cent for it because service or no service -Jeff would be still selling the AP for the same price because it is Cobb's mandatory minimum price.

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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Have it your own ignorant way. If your statement is true then why can I not buy the AP else where and get jeff to tune it for free. Oh maybe because it's a package deal and as such is what I PAID for.

marcux

I paid 300$ for my service rotor.. and i'm waiting as long as everyone else...

r0tor

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IMO you officially have a right to bitch then

r0tor

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do you know what a "free incentive" to buy a product is?

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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Would jeff have sold a fraction of the AP's he has without haveing added the tuning package? I think not therefore anyway you slice it I paided for these "free" tunes and have delt with the headache that comes with them for over a year. Think of it like this if you buy a water bed and never add water is it still a water bed?

jmc23200

Hmmmm.... maybe I will wait to buy the AP. I'll wait until MM gets caught up again

MM is a one man show(for tuning purposes). Give him the repect he deserves and do not bash him if he is behind schedule on updating your ****. It sucks that you some of you have been waiting for a few weeks now, but you did not have to buy it from MM and you dont need it to be tuned by MM either. Every where else online sells it for $700 with no custom tuning. MM gives you 6 months of tuning FREE from buying it through him. If you go to another tuner, you spend $300-$400 on the tune for your current setup. Then lets say 2 months later, you add some performance parts. You get to go spend another few hundred to get another tune. OR, MM does the tune for FREE and updates it for FREE when you add parts inside your 6 month period. If your car is running that bad that you NEED the new tune, just restore the ORIGINAL tune that gets backed up by the AP. That way it goes back to the way it was until MM gets caught up.

Marcux, you might have paid for the service, but that does not make you any more important then all the other customers that are obligated to receive the same service. IMO, the people who bitch should always be the lowest priority.

r0tor

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Then please tell us how much money you "paid" for the "free" tunes... end of story

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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If MM can't stay on top of his tunes with only USDM vehicles then what makes you think he'll catch up now.

I guess you also missed the part where I said I've been doing this for over a year and still without a final tune. In fact it seems as if the last tune has lost me approx 20 hp. I posted on this earlier but can't seem to find that post.
WEIRD??

Also as stated earlier I can not go back and edit my typing errors until I get home

Easy_E1

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Well said!

marcux

First.. you can't uninstall the ap back to original that is safe if you are FI.. second, i bought the service because of the time scale I read on his site. and honestly, I believe i've been VERY patient going into my 5th week. personally I think paying customers for the service should get priority. but to each there own I guess.

Easy_E1

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Perhaps you should mention the reasons behind why this has taken a year, If I recall you had some issue just getting the correct information to Jeff in a timely fashion.
Please clarify that most of the responsibility for the length of time rests on your shoulders.

onefatsurfer

That said, I'll be doing my WOT logs today, and once those are done, I'll send in for the tuned tune. Right now I'm still on my calibration tune. I kind of feel like the only people that should be allowed to complain should be FI ppl that paid for the tuning service separately. Everyone else, chill out. Please.

rotarygod

I'm curious when the 8 world will start sharing their maps publicly? Yes it can be done with this car and the AP. Every other ecu (factory, aftermarket of otherwise)/car out there has people sharing their tuning so all can benefit/learn/try things at their own risk. Other forums also try to help each other learn how to do it themselves. I'm just curious when that's going to happen here? It's not an "if". It's a "when". It's not hard.

Easy_E1

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There doesn't seem to be a lot of RX8 tuners out there. So when they start sharing their little secrets about tuning then they would not be so exclusive. Maybe when this becomes an everyday run of the mill thing that anybody can just do then perhaps it will.

jmc23200

Actually, you could restore the calibrations back to what you had after FI and before MM gave you the custom tune. If you cant, why? What where you running before MM's tune when you were FI? The AP makes a backup of whatever you were running when you do the original flash. Buying the 6 month service means you did not buy the device from him. Personally, I think his loyal customers(the ones who bought the device directly from him in the first place) deserve priority. Im sorry you read his website and feel duped by his turn around time right now, but after 5 minutes in this thread EVEN 5 weeks ago, you could see that the 48 hour time was not applicable. If you have only received the base calibration, ask for a refund if you are that pissy and go somewhere else. This comes down to not doing researched before buying a product and making sure it will fit your needs.

And for Magic, if it has been 1 year, I am sure there is a damn good reason for that. But thats between you and MM since no one else has the same 1 year issue as you. Im curious on why you havent sold the AP and used that money to get it tuned else where if it has been taking over 1 year and you are unhappy. Must be a reason you are sticking to MM.

staticlag

Interested.

Calibrate injectors... pick lambdas... Doesn't seem like there's much to do in one of these tunes anyways.

r0tor

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I've been contemplating doing this in a new thread.... open loop fuel maps are not a big deal for a NA car. Ignition timing is a shot in the dark without a dyno to determine which rotary ignition tuning technique really works. MOP maps are pretty subjective as to how you do the increases as nobody really knows how much benefit you will get with a setup thats deficient from the design. Coolant fans i think i understand but even thats a bit confused. I've done all this already.

However, Jeff tweaks more then that stuff... i think anyway...

There is literally no information available "out in the wild" as far as what the 5 different idle maps do (and I'm not a fan of the 'poke and hope' method), what the Fuel VE maps do, effects of the numerous closed loop maps, ect ect ect.. Even some of the info the AP datalogs is not clear cut when you try to do the math you are assuming its doing for you (I still am completely missing the point on what the LOAD is reporting as it does not match the math that I expect to be going on).


Recreating something like a Cobb Stage 1 map for a NA car is relatively easy (they ONLy change open loop fuel maps and the ignition timing spilt). Doing all of what Jeff does is nearly impossible without an information spillage. FI tuning opens a whole different can of worms....

jmc23200

Knowledge is everything. If you knew how to fix your computer, would you pay $200 for GeekSquad to do it? I think not. o0o0o0o0o look its a point. It cost $200 for GeekSquad(I use to work their lol so bad) to remove viruses and spyware on your computer and $300(total) to remove viruses and add an AV. This process takes 2-5 days. 2-5 days of services costing $200-$300. You get 6 Months of services for $300. Be happy.

Oh, and sure, try to share information and maps and make your own tunes. Let me know when you break something

neXib

I'll agree that the 48 hour advertised thing is misleading, but apart from that there's a lot of people who can't follow simple "go from A to B" instructions that have slowed things down as well. I have no problems with waiting, if I did I'd probably uninstall and try learning myself/get someone local, depending on what's more pricey.

Hund

How many times are we all going to go round and round on this?

Jeff is working to improve on this going forward so that there is faster turn around on maps. In the past, there has been a number of times where the customer was unable to follow simple directions a send the correct files.

Hopefully, I will be able to help out with that and catch those emails and remedy the situation quickly.

While I cannot do anything about past problems, I hope to help streamline the process going forward. Those of you with past issues and those wanting to know "Where is my tune?" I ask for a bit more patience as I am just coming on board and do not have all of the history or status on everything. Additionally, Jeff is traveling this week so I am unable to sit down with him and go over everything.

I should think that all of this should be streamlined nicely within the next 3 to 4 weeks.

I know some of you have been very patient about this and I thank you for that, but I ask for just a bit more as I try to help improve this process a bit.

marcux

If I restore the original flash It will not run at all, it already runs so rich because of the FI. the stock ECU can't handle any more fueling then 1-2 psi. So your saying paying for a service doesn't entitle me to get the service I paid for over people that get a free tune over somone who bought the ap with free tune? that's absurd. and your right, I should have spent time researching and read all of these threads before I bought the service. You live in someville.. you say go somewhere else. who do you know that runes for FI, I live in the same area as you, do you know AP tuners here? I'm sorry that you don't think I have the right to vent about my one and a half month paperweight. and hund, I apologize about bitching. just trying to mention a few points.

Nemesis8

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I'm streamlined just fine. I alert MM and now Sean , when I'm about to change something on the car. I wait for the map, and then make my changes to the car. Of course, being a measly 'ole NA tune, I can say that. If I was FI, then I would definitely have another car handy to get to work, while I waited for the new map to arrive.

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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First and foremost let me appoligize for not understanding the lingo when jeff said he wanted my map attached he actually wanted it ATTACHED not copy/pasted. I promise it did not make one bit of difference which way it was sent jeff was just being picky and thats ok i guess. But in that same arguement I tried to explain that I probably would not bash in someones face for not understanding things I see as being simple and redundant.

So MR. smarty pants if I ask you for a base line vital what are you going to give me. Oh and if you get the answer wrong i might just call you an idiot and let you die.

I could use a ton of words you dont understand and call you an idiot but I don't because it would be foolish to think everyone understands what i'm talking about all the time.
Tell me what these mean to you - AVPU, LOC, A&Ox3, HA, AMS, CTA, y/o, B/f, B/m, W/m, W/f, Fx. If i asked you to tie a one haned knot how many hands do you use? The answer would be 2.

The length of time in no way rest on my shoulders It is on both of us but IMO by far mostly his.

Me- for not understanding exactly what he wanted and not having the know how to use microsoft excell.

Jeff- for well being way too busy, his lack of communication, and not helping his own situation by selling way too many AP's knowing he can not keep up the work load on his own.


r0tor- for your information I paid $695.00 for an accessport with unlimited tunning not this 6 mth b.s.
I guess we all forgot the original deal though???

Jeff my arugments are not directed at you only in your direction as some people have a difference in what's fair and right. I have grown quite accustom to waiting 3-4 weeks for a tune and it's not that big of a deal as my car drives and is usable. However if it's a tunning issue that is stopping my car from running then I should be given immediate and direct access to getting it in proper running order so the tunning process my continue. MY arugments are for those that do not have problems telling people who do and have not been able to drive there car for a mth to chill out. Keep on keepen on jeff we need these tunes.

and one more thing what up with this?

JEFF
BTW -

The wait has been about 2 weeks this month.
It was only 2 days in January.
It'll probably be back in the 2 day range again in April.
I've only had 9 people wait for more than 3 weeks.
Right now, there are NO calibrations in the queue that are more than 3 weeks old and the vast majority of them fall under two weeks at the moment.
The 9 that took more than 3 weeks were in a pool of over 150, so you can get an idea of how that works.
Right now, there are 40 calibrations waiting to go out.