BOOSTD 7

If you're going to own a rotary, you gotta stop that kind of thinking ... hang out with the 7 guys for awhile and you'll understand

In this case there's NO reason to put a 20B NA in a RX-8. All you'd do is spend 5x as much money for the same or less HP and get worse driveability compared to a FI Renesis. Well almost no reason, it would be cool!

perks11

ha ha shoot i think i studied for finals like 20 hours for all my classes, but then again my grades seemed to show my lack of effort. hell my GPA shows my lack of effort throughout my college career. but my BAC is always high!! ha ha...classic modo is: C's and D's get degrees!!! lol

im just a measley little 4 port (said that for you Ryan) so i could use all the help in the engine department i can get.

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

Yeah, anyone who see's max power as the ultimate, or only, reason/goal will never see the other side.

Those that see the other side, understand

For example, if I turbo'ed my 8 for $10k, and got the "magical" mark of 300whp on a 3,000lb car, I will only have increased power and wear on the engine, brakes, tires, drivetrain, etc...

If I take that $10k, and add a little bit to it, and drop a Renesis into a Miata, I get the same power to weight, without adding engine wear and reducing wear on the rest of the drivetrain, and better handling to boot (wear and handling is compared to a stock 8)

I could take a Miata and go FI for around $4k for approximately the same peak power, but the intangible loss that comes from not having a rotary engine any more and having to drive the coarse and annoying piston engine makes that unappealing.

Just an example of the reasons OTHER than power to do a swap

I can easily see why someone would go NA 20b in their 8, though obviously not for the same reasons I just noted with the Miata

BOOSTD 7

I'm not sure what 'other side' you're talking about? If you're talking about the reliable side, that's why I keep my 8 pretty much stock and go crazy with the FD ... but once you start talking about engine swaps, reliability is out the door. ANY engine swap is a very complex undertaking and requires a very educated and diligent owner.

I still can't see why you'd put a NA 20B in a RX-8. They're no more reliable than a FI Renesis, in fact I'd say the end result would be much less reliable in most cases once you consider all the complications involved with stand alone engine management.

Theoreticals involving a Miata are different cases, we're talking about 8's here. But even for a Miata, I can't imagine why you'd do an engine swap unless you're building a track car. And then why would you care about wearing out brakes and tires?

RyansRx8

^^^ owned lol jk I wouldnt do that swap either your spending all this money for no gains or reliability...to much hassel and not worth it

BOOSTD 7

Well I'm not trying to 'own' and other local guys ... I've just been involved with a lot of this type stuff and know all the headaches that go into it that people don't anticipate. The idea of swapping a 20B into an 8 brought this up, and while it would be sick for a track/weekend car, I wouldn't even think about it for your primary means of transportation.

Even a rotary into a Miata, I can't imagine why you'd do it unless you have a track monster in mind. And then, why only go 1/2 way?

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

All I was saying is that there are different reasons for people to spend their money.

Some spend it because they just want a project, and once the project is done, they sell it and move to something else.

Others spend it to make a monster, massive numbers, or crowd shocker.

Others spend it for their own enjoyment, tastes, and desires without any bearing on anyone else, and often the end results are intangible

For example, I can't understand why someone would spend a week or even weekend in Vegas in the casinos unless you are simply looking to build a memory and accept that it will cost you a hell of alot.

I am spending around $2k on a round the country trip in my 8 that includes Sevenstock. It won't give me anything but memories, and I see it as worth 100% of the price.


If you can accept that, then you can accept that even spending money on something tangible can be for an intangible reason

perks11

honestly im not knowledgeable to get involved in this convo so i will just choose to learn from you all. havent really read to many things on the 20b just know angeljoel or the member on here with the winning blue 8 has a SICK 8!

and at the end of the day we all own Ryan cause he drives a civic. hah ahahaha had to get a shot in on ya Ryan i couldnt resist.

RyansRx8

^^^You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you... but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I'm not changing. I like... I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get.

Bignatex

Well for now my 8 is my daily driver but as of winter it won't it's gonna be a track or show car have not decided. I do love the fd but I hate how the fc looks, but as I have said my goals turned into long ones after Vegas spending and blowing tires and then the dead motor in the middle of
bum fuxk Utah lol

RyansRx8

^^ Im actually adapting to the fc's...theres a white one that always goes to gateway..runs lows 11's...SOOOOO SICKKKK!!!!!! and cheap lol

Bignatex

But in reality Ryan can spend half he money we fo on parts.. One for the most part hid are heaped and there are civics in every house with a teenager so not hard to find and get parts aftermarket or stock. And if I was for raw power if go back to my muscle cars lol. Not a rotary or a 4 banger.

Bignatex

Riwwp I highly recomend next ears Vegas meet rather cheap to
be honest. Hotels for us 50 a night, our events were cheap hit a casino play heap games and u get free drinks at the casino start there for a bit then go out. I spent like 140 on alcohol and 60 was on others. It's really a decently cheap
amazing time u can even fly there an I promise someone will pick you up and drive u around. It was quite amazing experience for me at 22

perks11

ryan i know your not tryin to say some song lyrics at me. thats not gonna get me in bed come on now. lol. you know i just like to hate, i can hate on that SI of yours in person since ill be back in the STl tonight, this time dont flake out cause your sleepin.

and where has james been? havent seen him on here for a while. or are you just quietly stalking all of us...

Bignatex

ill be back in MO and in STL on saturday any meets or brodeom get togethers let me know i may be stopping in columbia for some food.. perks you are out there correct?

Cf05

lol I was thinkin the same thing. Brett do you keep summer tires on your car the whole year or do you have all seasons, I'm trying to find a well priced good preformance all season tire for the whole year considering I won't be bringing my oem rims up to school with me.

perks11

bignatex: yea im normally in CoMo but will be in stl until sunday. But im sure ill be bored and working on my car sometime this weekend. plus this GReddy front strut just looks to sexy not to be in my engine bay already.

Charlie: I run UHP tires all year, but up here when there is snow on the ground i leave the 8 parked and either hitch a ride with a friend, call the girlfriend, ride the bus, or use it as an excuse to skip class. ha ha, but i just use the UHP tires all year.

Bignatex

ok well i stay in wildwood or chesterfield area so if you get bored let me knwo ill come turn some wrenches

Cf05

I think I should probably pick up a set of good all seasons these wheels are quickly getting expensive lol

perks11

yea not sure about Wash u, but Mizzou is pretty compact meaning once your on campus you can walk to any building, so i just hitch a ride for the day and find a ride back later on. but yea if your gonna be driving the 8 through bad weather i dont think all seasons would be abd at all. I just love my UHP tires, and they were fairly cheap i think like $125 a piece and that was a year or so ago.

bignatex: yea im sure ill try and drag ryan out and do somethin ill make sure and let you know before anything happens, hooters at kiener plaza sure sounds nice right now. ha ha charlie we will have to say hi to that waitress for you. lol

Cf05

Oh man I fell in love that night her name was Shauna I think, wow she was gorgeous tell her I say hi, unless she went back to Texas and well than STL just got a little uglier lmao

and yea the UHP summers are much cheaper than the UHP All season I may just have to deal with it lol

Bignatex

hooters sounds good =) grab a beer and wings =) if ryan wont come out im still game to meet up with someone witha 8 in the area. i have not been home in a long while and i only got my car in feb so im in the process of lots of parts on order then this break down set me back a bit but =) would still be nice to see some 8s in MO =)

BTW i will be posting the vegas meet for next year on here. ill stop talking about it for a while but like i said the most expensive part of MY visit was the gas. btu i mean i didnt even make it to the strip due to arrested and stuff lol. but it was pretty awesome to just hangout relax see so many cars and its not like a straight car show more of a huge *** hangout in vegas for kinda cheap since we have so many people we get good sponsors to donate raffles and hook us up with discounts =) when i get the offical flyer probably a while away ill show it but its fathersday weekend every year =) family event with adult twists haha

the1jesster

If any of my people in MO have extra plugs and coils to trade and need a new stage 2 clutch get back to me. I know its a long stretch but batter up. Clutch is brand new sat in closet for the past year and half

Cf05

well.... I have coils I'd have to test them to see if they are good or not but I'd be interested in that trade I'd have to buy a set of sparks to throw in with it

Cf05

Also going back to my previous question would I be crazy to drive with summer tires in light snow?

EDIT: This past year I had summer tires in the front and all-seasons in the back... and I was fine but would having summer all around make it stupidly dangerous I mean stl doesn't get too much snow