Jon316G

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I finally got the intake manifold extension off.
I took some pics and posted it in my thread:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...86#post2775086

Steve... we'll focus on whatever you want us to do... its your car.
Just let me know what you want to work on and I'll bring any tools that might help us out.

RK

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Yup. Let me know if I should try to get all my intake parts together. They're all sitting out in a storage area in about as unorganized fashion as humanly possible.

Beyond that I'm just planning on having my tools that Jon still has and the AP for reading codes and possibly doing some logging.

Also what time do you want us there?

Jon316G

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At least bring the VFAD solenoid.

RK

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As soon as I figure out what that is I'll be sure to include it.

Got an unexpected check today so I ordered gauges and that CF oil catch can from Fluid. Guess I'm gonna have to install that Lotek pod sooner than I thought.

Vyndictive

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Well, I'm planning on getting to the shop early... like 6ish to begin pulling things apart. I'm pretty good at destruction... or is that de-construction.

In terms of what needs to be done. Well, I'm pretty open - there are a lot of the possible causes.

I don't really know how to do all these, but:
Check for a vacuum leak around the intake...
Clean the intake per the shop manual.
"Zoom" clean the engine (that'll be the fun one I bet.)
Make sure the throttle body is good, etc.

Then, do the reset again and see what that does for us.

If we have a team, perhaps we can put the old cat back on too.... but I think the above may have enough to keep us busy for most of the morning.

I have "most" of my stock airbox also. But I really don't think that is the problem at all, unless you guys thing it would hurt my warranty to have it on there.


Also... does anyone have a compression tester? Could I borrow one from autozone/advanced?
If so... could we pull the plugs, put the zoom engine cleaner in there, then when cracking per the instructions of the zoom cleaner, test the compression at the same time to rule that one out?

I guess I am trying to eliminate possible mechanical problems so IF I do have to take it back in and they say "compression test, carbon build up, failed cat" I can tell them "no, no, and **** off you *****."

RK

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If we can't find the issue and you bring your car to Cascade in the hopes of getting warranty work done then you should definitely revert to the stock intake. There is no way that going catless can cause warranty claim issues but going with an a/m intake can.

Essentially it's incredibly easy to prove that the catalytic converter can cause engine issues and removing it is a valid (tho illegal ) maintainance precaution. The intake, however, can not be termed like that and since it is intended to be a performance enhancement, even tho its not much of one, that could be a solid basis to argue that the enhancement put your engine at risk and caused issues related to engine power loss, carbon buildup, dirty MAF, etc.

Pretty sure that compression testers for rotaries are significantly different than piston compression testers and if that's true I have a very hard time believing Autozone carries 'em.

If we get so far that engine compression is the only thing left on the list then swap your intake (and cat if you feel like it) and go to Cascade.

DeViLbOi

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Jon...my question about mismatching parts was around diagnosing if he has a possible problem with one of the new parts. I mean...he could have a bad coil pack or a bad plug. Now this is a stupid question Steve...but are you sure you got the plugs in in the right order?

RK

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Heh.

BTW - I will take one of those 250gb HDs you've got. Still been putzing around and haven't installed Vista tho I've backed up almost everything I think I care about. Might as well try a dual boot off a fresh HD first so when I hose it up I can still fall back to my current setup.

Vyndictive

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Plugs in the wrong order would be wrong all of the time and be shitty under load. The plugs are in the correct order, but, we'll check them again this weekend. I mean, the car runs fine when cold and runs fine cruising, runs fine until I push the clutch to the floor and it dies.
But -"no rock left unturned"

I'll grab what intake parts I have. I think going back to stock is a decent idea for the warranty. I'm not super attached to them anyway... then If we get this all worked out, I can race in the stock class at auto X and you guys can all laugh at me there... as apposed to everywhere else.

DeViLbOi

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*shrug* So what time we doin Sat Ryan and Jon since I doubt any of us want to be there at 6AM.

RK

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Even if you swapped all the intake/exhaust parts back to stock you still couldn't run. Heck the gauges you have installed are enough to boot you out of stock. Pretty sure your stereo would too. Remember the rules are so stupid that they don't even let John adjust his seat.

Just run in street touring with me. Less competitive, better PAX times, and you barely have to care about the rules and can do whatever you want to your car. Unless you get bigger wheels/tires you would be in STX instead of STU where I'm at but it'll still be fun.

John I'm going down whenever I get up. Shooting for 9 at the latest but who knows. Friday might end up being a late night out or an early night in so that'll have a lot of effect.

Vyndictive

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So I was driving around between the plants today screwing around. Hitting high RPMs etc...
Got a flashing CEL at 8k rpm in 2nd with power loss, hesitation, etc. Its was like it was starved for air or fuel... I don't think that its spark, but at this point, I have no idea.

So, add this one to the list.

Fuel system?

Vyndictive

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PS...


<--- 69 posts.... teehee

RK

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Could very well be coils. When fuel cuts out you know it because you put your foot down and nothing happens. Not hesitation - just nothing. Pretty sure that symptom's been described before in relation to bad coils though.

Still flashing or did the CEL stop?

And not to be Captain Obvious but stop pushing your car until Saturday. Stalling on idle is just as likely to be a symptom of a bigger problem as the problem itself. Don't drive it unless you have to and when you do don't drive like it's an RX8. Drive it like its a station wagon.

Any chance you're gonna be around the Valley in Akron tonight or Brecksville tomorrow? Could read the codes in either place before you pull things apart on Saturday. Maybe get some logs too if once of us figured out how.

Vyndictive

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CEL stopped flashing after I got off of it.
I have been babying the car since the problem started... I just was looking for any other symptoms like a miss or anything of the sort under load. So many of these problems have "power loss" as one of the indicators, so I wanted to see if I would be having that too... and there was only 1 way to find out.

No, with classes being out, I didn't plan on being in the area. I thought about running by the advanced auto parts near my house and having them pull all the codes to see if anything new popped up.

As for driving it like a station wagon - you're talking to a guy that blew a head gasket by running too much (14 lbs) boost in a minivan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmj1zY1itA
(not me, but you get the idea)

RK

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https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...g+cel+high+rpm

My money is on misfire caused by a bad coil. Swing by autozone if you can.

Jon316G

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Since I pulled my coils out, I can bring mine to swap.

Jon316G

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My only issue with that statement was that we first experienced this after the mid-pipe swap... which should have nothing to do with his symptoms.
Though it is worse this time around for some reason.... this is a strange one (and the car too).

Jon316G

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Looks like this:

Jon316G

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Ryan is correct.
I have a compression tester for piston engines, but its useless for rotary engines since the rotor has 3 facings (hard to compare each side independently).
And I seriously doubt Autozone has one.

Vyndictive

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I'm leaving work now, but there is a thread on here about compression testing where you can watching the gauge jump up and down on a normal compression tester by opening some release valve or something... if I didn't already have my coat on... (and the car in question running for that matter) I'd post the link.

Will a bad coil throw a code?

Jon316G

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I ran dual boot with XP and Vista SP1 (having Vista on a separate hard drive because I didn't trust it at first).
In the end I liked Vista so much, I just removed XP.
Though you then need to modify the boot manager, which I used a nifty program called VistaBootPRO.

Jon316G

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You'll just see the needle rapidly jumping up and down.
You need a graphical representation of each rotor facing:


Yes

Vyndictive

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Alright - didn't make it to get the codes read in time before they closed. oops.

Alright, another friend of mine thinks that it could just be my computer being messed up. "My car has become self aware."

Jon316G

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Well... the financial crisis has finally hit me.
I'm "renting" my house through an old friend of ours (we are basically paying his home loan).
Just found out last night that he is going to file for bankruptcy.
Since the house is under his name, they are probably going to take it.
Our house is going to be foreclosed and he says that if anything is in it, they can take it.
So we are in a mad rush to get out (perfect timing to take my intake apart)!

I've been making phone calls for house rentals and if something comes up tomorrow, I won't be able to make it down to Canton.
I'm hoping that this won't interfere, but if it does I'll have Ryan stop by to pick up his tools and give him my coils, battery, and anything else you guys want to borrow.

Just sucks that I can't get an apartment for now.
With our full size pool table, large wooden bar, washer/dryer, snow blower, and other items that can't go into an apartment, storage would be the only option.
Unfortunately, to get a size I need for everything, they want almost $100 a month.
I might as well pay more for a house rental and keep everything at one location.

I'm kinda lost right now but trying to fight through it.
Hope to see you guys tomorrow.