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Old 01-08-2009, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
Can someone explain the benefits of a fuel cut off valve on a daily driver please?
just to put one more obstacle for homies to try to get around before they can steal your car.

If its simple, why not... it would be cheaper than installing an alarm I bet.
Old 01-08-2009, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by docgatorx8er
Anti theft kill switch???
Pretty much!

Or anything else that would allow a bandit to try to start to the , perhaps get it running, and then have it die in the next 100 yards when they're more likely to get out and run away. Its hard to continue the theft process in traffic.
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Might be better to install a switch to the starter interlock switch on the clutch pedal.
So even if you press the clutch pedal in, the car still thinks the interlock is defeated.
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Yes...that would make more sense. Having a kill switch either connected to the ignition or the clutch sensor would make more sense than a fuel cutoff.
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Damnit, I was just going to suggest putting it on the clutch pedal switch

Too slow again.
Old 01-08-2009, 02:22 PM
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this would be pretty easy to do?
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Yes, it would be very easy to do. I've done it before. All you do is cut a wire and splice in a switch.
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Much easier than a fuel cutoff switch.
Not to mention its close to where your switch itself would be (inside the cabin).
I'm looking through the electrical diagrams in our shop manual to see if that switch is N/O or N/C (normally open/normally closed).
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if this were pretty easy to do, I'd like to run it to the passenger side, just some baddies won't typically look there unless they're able to follow the wire (which would indicate pretty smart...

I just don't want the car to be as easy to thefticate as my civic was. At least this time if I see the 8's tail lights drive away I can think to myself "well played, homie, well played"

EDIT: just checked - racing beat doesn't make a kit for this.
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You would want the switch on the drivers side because every time you got in or out of the car you would need to access it. Best place would be somewhere that you can hide it. So I would say like behind the ashtray or in the center glove box under the mat where it kind of dips down. Another option would be to install a factory switch into the left switch cluster, by your Traction Control, and wire it to you switch instead. That way it is out in the open, easy to access, and completely stock looking.
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OK... the interlock switch is normally open.
So you only need to splice into one of the wires so that when the pedal is pressed in (switch is then closed), the current is still broken (open circuit).
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
You would want the switch on the drivers side because every time you got in or out of the car you would need to access it. Best place would be somewhere that you can hide it. So I would say like behind the ashtray or in the center glove box under the mat where it kind of dips down. Another option would be to install a factory switch into the left switch cluster, by your Traction Control, and wire it to you switch instead. That way it is out in the open, easy to access, and completely stock looking.
... but if it is on the passenger side and I have cute ladies in the car I can reach over their legs!

Think most thieves would be able to identify the clutch wire? I don't know how standard these types of kill switches would be.
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
OK... the interlock switch is normally open.
So you only need to splice into one of the wires so that when the pedal is pressed in (switch is then closed), the current is still broken (open circuit).
Dammit Jon! Haven't you worked with me long enough to know that I have no idea what these drawings mean???
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
Think most thieves would be able to identify the clutch wire? I don't know how standard these types of kill switches would be.
Most thieves are looking for that easy and quick steal.
Probably not that smart anyway.
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
Dammit Jon! Haven't you worked with me long enough to know that I have no idea what these drawings mean???
That's why I was explaining it in simple terms.
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dumb question...since the car is fly by wire...does it have a hydrolic clutch...and if it doesnt...is the clutch wire the right wire to fiddle with with Steve's luck?
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
dumb question...since the car is fly by wire...does it have a hydrolic clutch...and if it doesnt...is the clutch wire the right wire to fiddle with with Steve's luck?
Clutch uses fluid just like your brakes (same fluid too).
I don't see why this would have anything to do with the clutch wire.
Old 01-08-2009, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
I was thinking the same thing.
Cheap security? Flip the switch when you get out and people are going to have difficulty stealing your car. Just guessing.
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well if it was a clutch by wire system I would be wary of Steve cutting any wires related to it. :P And Steve...you really want the system to be easy to use so you use it often and you don't want to it to be too obvious that you are doing it so friends don't just jack your car.
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
well if it was a clutch by wire system I would be wary of Steve cutting any wires related to it.
Might want to look back at that electrical diagram I attached above.
The interlock switch (and the wires related to it) is only to energize the starter relay.
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Originally Posted by RK
Cheap security? Flip the switch when you get out and people are going to have difficulty stealing your car. Just guessing.
We were questioning the idea of a kill switch to the fuel pump... not the idea of a skill switch in general.
I think we're past that now.
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
well if it was a clutch by wire system I would be wary of Steve cutting any wires related to it. :P And Steve...you really want the system to be easy to use so you use it often and you don't want to it to be too obvious that you are doing it so friends don't just jack your car.
John: 1st - you've got a good point that I really shouldn't be cutting any wires anywhere for any reason.

2nd - I really don't have "friends" so that risk is pretty minimal.

3rd - if I consider you guys my friends... the threat is reduced because you guys all have 8s that are probably in better condition than mine... so taking my car would be like a punishment for you.

I'll rattle around tonight when I am cleaning the car and see what I can see...
Any idea what color the clutch wire in question will be?
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
We were questioning the idea of a kill switch to the fuel pump... not the idea of a skill switch in general.
I think we're past that now.
Werd. Woulda sworn I clicked on last post and it brought me to the last post from the page before (50 per page). Oh wellz.
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
Any idea what color the clutch wire in question will be?
I'll make it easy for you.
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
3rd - if I consider you guys my friends... the threat is reduced because you guys all have 8s that are probably in better condition than mine... so taking my car would be like a punishment for you.
I could use some spare parts. And I've always liked Racing Beat.

Just sayin'.



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