DeViLbOi

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Ryan - I didn't think that Ray was attacking you in that post. I think he was commending you for being one of the people to be reasonable about it. Maybe I read it wrong though. I think that people who bought them as an OEM replacement has a right to be upset about it. According to what Ray said though...people that didn't need a tune before shouldn't need a tune now. Those that had one of Jeff's tunes, Jon, get a free fix and those that didn't should talk to their tuner about just having that change made. What the product was sold as and what that product ended up being, through their reported mistake, are two different things. Hopefully it gets all worked out though for everyone.

RK

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Hopefully. You should some of the PMs I've gotten. You'd get a slightly different perspective.

You can't just talk to a tuner to have the change made, John. It costs money to get an adjustment to a tune. And a lot of the tunes people have bought are locked, like MM's, so even if people wanted to do it themselves they aren't able to.

And really this is not a car specific tune in that the dwell settings would be universal for everyone using the AP. Any time they sell this they should be including the table because, as they've made very clear over the years, MM's business is completely and totally seperate from BHR.

But we'll see how the rest plays out. Hopefully someone with an AP can get a hold of a really, really expensive scope and don't mind spending a day or so tuning the dwell settings to get an understanding of what the table values need to be to accomplish a 5ms dwell.

Oh well. I was done with the thread last night but it's good to see a few other people as upset as I am dropped in before it got locked. I still have some hope that Ray will see the light and share the info.

Vyndictive

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TJ: Randomly found another user on here with the goofy crap on the front of his car too! Maybe PM him to figure out exactly what it is... and perhaps how to get it off.

https://www.rx8club.com/members/chubs_2002-52315/

rotareriot

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okay well what time on friday? and so you think i should just tell him to buy the whole thing and just do what he wants with it? cuz i dont really know how much to ask. i just want it to at least cover the new gauges and dash pieces so i break even.

hah thanks steve, but i tihnk you guys are all just jealous of the plasticky, little grill "ring" that none of you have

DeViLbOi

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Ryan - Wasn't that what Kane was trying to do?

RK

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Yes. He and a few others are trying to learn what Jeff already knows.

I spent a lot of time yesterday searching to see if the answer was already out there but it really isn't. Obviously I don't have the time, tools, or knowledge to figure it out myself before Kane or someone else does but if I do luck into the info first or can find a way to help them find it I will.

Sucks that the first renesis based rotary tuning book comes out next week otherwise we might have already had our answers and this whole nonsense could have been avoided.

DeViLbOi

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Well like I said that other guy is selling the top dash piece so you might be able to do some work and come out ahead. Talk to Ryan about guages and stuff as he just got done with all that mess and can tell you why he made the choices he did and if they were right or not. But yea...I would tell him he has to take the whole thing and do what he wants with the rest. Without the screen the rest of the system is useless to you. Also...don't forget that you need the lower center console as well because you are going to have to remove the switches that the nav used.

rotareriot

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okay well ill tell him that, but since the nav doesnt really work how much do you think i should ask because i dont know a whole lot about all that.

DeViLbOi

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What doesn't work about it...I forget.

As for asking price...Ive seen between $350 and $700 for it.


Oh...found this too...

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=nav
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=nav

rotareriot

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yeah see i posted on those but none of them want the actual whole set just bits n pieces. so idk how to sell the whole thing. but yeah the whole navi system works just something with the lcd screen wont light up. motor and everything else works like the dvd reader.

DeViLbOi

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Id take the $400 for the whole thing just so you didn't have to deal with it all.

rotareriot

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well the one guy offered me 500 for the motor and hood. think i should take it? and just give him the whole thing?

Vyndictive

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I would sell the motor and hood for 500... then see if you can unload the other parts slowly over time. Not bad for a unit that doesn't work right now.

RK

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Yeah. I think that'll just about cover an inexpensive gauge setup. I have no idea how much nav setups run but if yours isnt working and you've got an offer for these two parts might as well take it.

DeViLbOi

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That was fast...good work TJ. Let me know when you want me to stop over TJ. Right now it looks like my whole weekend is free, Thurs - Sat. Just let me know and I'll make arrangements to see my parents on that day.

Danc

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Jon: I was just joking, you have't been hard on me at all.

RK: I have to agree with you about MM and Ray. I read all 10 pages of the stupid post and I can't believe what ******** they are. Seriously, it's cool it you want to publicly say you messed up, I respect that. However it's not so cool to only offer a solution that a certain group of people have. If I had the BHR coils (which I will not buy) and the Hymee pro tuner, Ray and MM are saying tough ****, get someone else to do it. This would be acceptable if the Yukon coils were advertised as needing some additional tuning, but they were not. I don't know why BHR feels like they have to constantly appear better than everyone else in this forum. The interesting thing is that as little as 3 years ago MM and Ray actually wanted to better these cars and the community freely posting information, look at some of the old posts in the EMS forum or major power adders for proof of this. The greed that has apparently corrupted these two is astounding.

Danc

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party!

Jon316G

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225/50r17

Jon316G

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OK... wasn't sure

RK

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Well they're advertised as needing additional tuning now. And I wouldn't call Ray an *******. I just think he's very wrong here.

And in their defense they really can't help people with the Hymee tuning software because they're not at all familiar with it. But obviously sharing info from the AP and any other tuning devices they are familiar with would at least be helping the people they can help.

I'd still tell someone going FI to go with the Yukon coils and BHR's product is as good or better as anyone else's. I would just make sure that whoever did your tune knew that they are prone to spark blowouts when at high flow. And you really will get value getting the coils from BHR and tuning from MM.

This opened my eyes to how BHR has changed in the past year and combined with some of the other experiences I've had I don't think I'll be treating them much differently then other vendors. But that does mean if they come out with a good product I would consider it the same as if any other vendor comes out with something.

I just might wait a little longer to buy it.

tony_673

Please elaborate on said "book".

I'd like to buy it if it's affordable. As if I don't already have enough reading to do....

Danc

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That's the thing though, the Hymee and the Cobb (or any flash tuner that alters the pcm) cannot be all that dissimilar. If you put in a number for something on the dwell map for the cobb, and you do the same action on any other flash tuner the net result is the same. The wonders of computers is a 1 is a 1 is a 1. If both the cobb and the hymee look at the same tables for dwell (logically they do) there is no reason what there should be any difference in what is put there for the BHR coils. The problem is MM apparently hates everyone and sees us as a market where as long as no one else does what he does, he can treat us however he wants. I give credit that he has some skills, but that is no excuse to be the ******* he has been the last year or so.

RK

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Oh and I don't think it's 'greed' that's gotten to Ray. I think it's reality.

I just think he's overcompensating after getting his idealism kicked out from under him.

DeViLbOi

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I understand what Ray is saying about not being able to tune something they are unfamiliar with. I also understand that they don't want to release the proprietary information that is part of Jeff's tune. They have provided the one setting that needs to be changed by a tuner to support the coil.

Now...if I had a tune from someone...a change of dwel should be like 2 seconds and they better not charge me. I don't need a dyno...I don't need them to think...just click a button.

RK

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I agree but they can't support a product that they don't know even if they can guess at how to support it. But like I said they do know the AP and can help out and that would at least help people using Hymee make informed decisions on whether or not they can use the same data.

But you can see how if they do and get burned they might be even more pissed. This is why it was so important to not put a product out there that required dwell changes.

The last year or so? You mean once upon a time he wasn't a total *****? Do the archives go back that far?

He knows his **** backwards and forwards but I'm unwilling to put up with his method of doing business for the savings in time and tuning he'd net me. And he's fine with that since he doesn't seem to be able to handle much more responsibility then he's already got.