tiresmoker

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Yeah, being parked directly under the heater probably didn't help much considering the dirt probably baked into the paint.

Either way, she was in dire need of a claybar since last year. It's just I didn't have a reason to do it till now.

Black05Turbo8

Hey guys how are things?

As an update, im gonna have to take a few things out to get to the injectors. i can't see anything otherwise.

The BUR9EQP spark plugs came in, along with the N3Z1 starter, just waiting for a warm day to come along, not much room to do anything where its at.

Im thinking i should probably get the HBR coils before the Cobb, that way i wouldnt have to have it re-tuned, if i got the Cobb first. Any opinions on that?

As far as the auto show, i might have to skip that, trying to save every penny for the HBR and cobb.

Once i figure out wich unit im getting first, there may be a spark plug, starter, coil party going on out here at my house. Consider having the some fo engine bay torn apart, might not be a great idea to try and drive it! Wich to here, for most of you is a pretty big hike. But there is plenty of parking! Maybe plan this around Jon, so we could do a compression test?

Jon316G

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1) Its BHR (Black Halo Racing) coils.
2) I agree that you should wait for the coils before you tune with the Cobb.
I know Jeff does additional "tweaks" with people who have these coils.

Sure, just remind me once the weather gets warmer... I tend to forget sometimes.

Black05Turbo8

oh yea BHR, wow. . its only going to get worse as the week progesses, 5am - 5pm work shifts are lame.

Jon316G

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Really? Try working 5pm - 5am shifts

Black05Turbo8

Luckily ive only had to do that for one week. the worst ive ever done was 4am-6pm. all week, the 4am = 2pm on sat. talk about not having a life.

wheellee

vyndictive- yeah i think i might give that heat shield a try if you still have it. i gotta figure out whats going on with this hood and get it repaired once spring/summer gets here (can take the bike to work so can leave the car in a shop)

ngill33- its a standing offer. if your not able to find something that is usable just send me a pm and i will grab a couple lenghts of metal from my work. we have plenty of "scrap" metal laying around that would easily make those brackets. could even get some stainless ones so wouldnt have to worry about them rusting away.

Vyndictive

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Yeah, just let me know a time wheb you can come down to canton and get it.

However, take a few pics of what your hood looks like and post them up here. It could be something where you can adjust the mounting hinges. The hood is pretty sturdy, and I've never heard of there being enough heat in the engine bay to warp an oem hood.

But that's not to say it can't happen though. Let's have a look though.

wheellee

not sure how well the pics will show up but i will take some tomorrow once its light out again.

megz

So it's looking like March 6th for the autoshow and meeting up for drinks/food after wandering around the show. Figure we break off to look around the show anyway, so we'll meet after. Tentative food plans are Cozumel on Brookpark rd after the show. Still working out exact time etc. So far we have:

1. Megan
2. Brian
3. Jamie and Val
4. Mark and Linda
5. Tom and wifey?

Jon316G

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Not going to be drinking during the show like last year?
Or was Brian yelling at everything and throwing-up in the parking lot enough

tiresmoker

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Jon, pretty sure it was the nachos that made me puke. Something with the sauce that didn't agree with me.

But no, I may have a beer while walking around the show, but for the most part I won't be drinking. I'm actually working a booth at the show this year and I probably should be on my best behavior while I'm there.

Vyndictive

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1. Megan
2. Brian
3. Jamie and Val
4. Mark and Linda
5. Tom and wifey?
6. Steve and Kristen

megz

"....I probably should be on my best behavior while I'm there. "
I loled^^

Anyway, hopefully there won't be any driveaway rx-8's with people attached to the car and the other shenanigans either

Vyndictive

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Mr. Turbo...

Don't know if you saw this, but considering you have a mostly Mazsport turbo kit on your car now, this ignition was probably designed around your set-up.

And, cheaper than new from BHR. . . but, there is also a reason mazsport is out of business...

Just throwing it out there.

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/mazsport-ignition-system-brand-new-never-used-191551/

Vyndictive

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After I posted the above... I got to thinking... What are the differences between Mazsports kit, and BHR's Kit. . . and for that matter, other Yukon/LS1 to RX8 ignition adapters that are on ebay?

After reading through a few threads, I've drawn 4 conclusions:

1. Seems like everyone wants to use GM coils...
2. Many seem to believe that, other than the cost savings of not having to replace OEM coils, there is no power gain in upgrading the coils (for N/A applications)
3. Charles Hill was on the list to get a kit from Mazsport before they went out of business... is the BHR kit an improvement of the original mazsport design? (more of a question than an observation)
4. I know very little about the RX8 Ignition system other than its a common failure point and thats where the spark plug wires come from.

Anyone want to shed some light on the situation?

RK

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Didn't have anything to do with the effectiveness of their kits. Had to do with them taking a lot of money up front for a lot of parts/projects and then not delivering and not returning the money.

But their ignition kits worked well enough. Just required specific dwell setting changes. THe intial selling point on the BHR product was that it would not need tuning software because the stock dwell settings would be sufficient to get the benefit of the Yukon coils.

Turned out that wasn't true which was where my little disagreement with BHR came into play. Getting the BHR kit w/o a tune would work but there was almost no benefit to it over stock coils w/o a tune. This was better than the Mazsport kits which could cause problems untuned but it still meant you had to get a tune to justify the BHR over stock coils/wires. Anyhow...

That's because they're super overengineerd (sic?) based on the LS series used in Vettes and meant to work with dwell settings close to our stock ignition but also meant to work in high HP scenarios like the Yukon. So they give you the top end HP support FI guys need that our stock ones don't provide while also giving the normal NA folks a nice little ability to find a boost from a tuned setup.

I'd agree. Not sure what Brian has experienced but I didn't feel like there was a significant change with the untuned BHR setup.

Totally different implementation. Charles and MM did their homework on coils and found a better implementation. They then created custom brackets to provide grounding and fitment for the better coils. They've refined the brackets since I had mine to minimize issues in the first couple batches.

EDIT: BTW I would recommend the BHR kit to anyone considering tuning their 8 or ever going FI (and the latter should never happen without the former). The support that Charles provides for people who get his kit is worth the extra coins over a used Mazsport kit. But if you already have an interceptor and already plan on tuning your kit then you can get it and get the same benefit as the BHR kit. Just gotta have a much better idea of what you're doing.

Machiavelli

I'm hopeful. I have a particularly nasty trial starting 3/8 and there's a chance I'll be at work that entire weekend.

Black05Turbo8

Thanks for the link steve. But i think ill stick to getting rid of the int-x and converting to the cobb and BHR coils, there is more support and more information on these items. id hate to waste 400 bucks on something that is suposed to work when no one has a clue

Jon316G

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The GM coils have been used in racing applications, Charles introduced them to the RX8 community and now everyone wants them because they are produced by a trusted name (BHR)

When some uneducated people see the word "upgrade" they immediately think its going to help gain HP.
Nobody from BHR said that these coils were designed for performance gains and even CRH has said many times that it won't.
The GM coils will provide a longer life span than the OEM coils and they emit more voltage and current.

Through phone conversations CRH told me that the coils do allow some "room for tweaking" in both N/A and F/I applications over the OEM, meaning a possibility for increased performance is there through tuning, but more noticeably with F/I.

I was on the list too at one time... thank god I didn't go for that too.
The BHR coils are a plug-and-play replacement unlike the MazSport coils.
Yukon coils with custom wire harnesses to directly plug into the RX8 connector.
MazSport utilized a Microtech Ignitor/Driver box to drive the coils and were known to fail.

I think that is a great idea personally.

Vyndictive

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Everyone are just BHR fanbois!

Thanks for the lesson though. I still don't understand why the oem coils fail so quickly. But bhr has smart *** people making all their products. I wish someone would get a bhr midpipe so we could sample that locally.

DeViLbOi

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AP Ordered...w00t w00t...who wants to help with installing it and getting data logs for Jeff in the spring? :D

Jon316G

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Wish I could give you a definitive answer.
With the few coils I've tested, there appears to be a high resistance (mine were over 2M ohm).
Its possible that the increased resistance generated too much heat for the coil to handle and eventually just shorted it.
This could also explain the "white spot" on the bottom, but again, nothing has been proven as fact.

I do too.
We need to get our three cars that have the AP catback and do a comparison of the MazSport, RB, and BHR midpipe.
Hopefully none of us will have the rattle from a loose rivet.

Congrats!
Its not difficult to do... though I've done it 8 times now.
I can help with the first two (2nd one because that is when you perform a WOT log).
After the 2nd one, each log afterward is performed the same way.

DeViLbOi

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Didn't end up with the one you linked the other night...but found someone else that I trusted more that was willing to come down to my price range.

Jon316G

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Nice! So what was the final price if you don't mind me asking.