darnellm

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Tom,
I think Hank was asking about his instructor Brian Hair.
I am reviewing some in car video. I will post asap.

Bill,
Hope the tow home was uneventful. Any word from dealer?

Mike

darnellm

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Good pics Paul

tmak26b

Oh the crazy BMW guy, he was a brave man. During the second session, he was flying in the pouring rain. He was running through puddles and stuff, I didn't have the guts to do it on my baldi. I will post some videos of him if you want. He was definitely the fastest car in the rain, but he had no chance once it dried up. There were a lot of "instructors" that should have their status looked at. Heck, I need to review mine, I almost got totalled myself.

darnellm

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Everyones second session had a a black flag due to off track excursions.
Starting with the instructors session.

tmak26b

Yes, the same RX-7 spun out in both 2nd and 3rd session of Sunday, on the first lap!!!! I did pass a grey RX-8 in the last last session, was that yours? There were so many of them, couldn't tell the diference. Also the one with the blue one, you might want to check on your camber. From what I can see from behind, you have way too much camber.

I am uploading videos now, but youtube is very slow.

ZoomZoomH

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that was me you passed in the last last session, and the guy in the blue 8, well he put in that much negative camber himself, thanks to massive 265 Yokohama Advan R-comps lol

tmak26b

Oh cool, I actually made a video with your car in it. I was going to send it to David for the next instructor training. You guys were great, you let me pass as soon as I came up. There were people that would hold me up for more than two passing zones, that's when i get super pissed.

tmak26b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs1rNW3jooI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdmwbN_0v8Q

tmak26b

Folks, don't try this at home. I got lucky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTfpwSkFsJw

OdinGuru

Yeah, Hank is correct; I did have a shop add more negative camber than the stock alignment. In previous events I noticed I was heating/beating up the outside edges on all four corners, so the static camber is my attempt to try and increase tire life on the track (although it does hurt the life of tires on the street). This was the first real event I ran with the new alignment and we didn't have much dry time, so I didn't realy get any data on if it is too much/too little yet. Was your comment just that they looked much more negative than stock or that they looked more negative than optimal for the track?

- David

tmak26b

David, only 5/8 of your tire was actually touching the pavement when you turn. I can stick a cat underneath and you would clear it. I am far from having 20/20 vision, but I can see that easily from a long distance behind.
You were running what, -2.5 camber?

tmak26b

Here is another video, the guy who was sliding everywhere on purpose in the rain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRQNL3-ihHw

OdinGuru

Hahaha... wow. I hope you are talking about the outside rear tire...

I'll have to look up the actual settings (the alignment was done a while ago just after my last track day last season) but as I recall, the rears aren't set to more than -1.5 (but I'll check it out). Now that I think about it, my reasons for adding the extra camber were observations on narrower street tires, and this was the first event running on a much wider wheel/tire (235 on 8.5" vs. 265 on 9.5"). Perhaps the extra width is somewhat exagerating the negative camber? This is definitely something I'm just starting to work out, so I have no illusions of having it correct. Thanks for your input.

- David

tmak26b

The rears werent that bad, but hte fronts were the ones that had all thbe camber.

If you want to know tire wear, look at my tire. I think I killed my tire in just 8 sessions, son of a #$%^&*.

OdinGuru

The fronts huh? I remember telling the shop to give me as much as they could on the fronts, but remember most other 8's not getting more than ~-1 on the stock adjustment. So unless they are THAT good and magicly found a way, the fronts should have less camber than the rears... unless something is just wrong... I'll have to look in to this.

Tire death in 8 sessions is NOT fun... I'm praying that this set will last 1 season (~4-5 events), but not nessisarily banking on it. This last event was fairly gentle on them, but I attribute that to all the wetness keeping the angry monsters of heat and friction down.

- David

tmak26b

sometimes it's too much. Remember you have aftermarket suspension too, the thing you do is going to be different.

4-5 event is good, I get 2-3.

OdinGuru

Actualy I'm running a completely stock suspension setup, and am only using the available factory adjustment bolts. For some reason I'm having a hard time locating the printout with the current alignment settings, but from visual inspection of the car the fronts have less camber than the rears, but the rears have noticable negative camber (but that might partly be because my trunk is loaded with a lot of stuff currently). I might try and measure straight from the car to get aproximate numbers if I still can't find the sheet.

- David

tmak26b

Oh i see, I thought you have a lowered car or something. It must have been the aftermarket wheels. I just saw a lot of camber, back that off a little bit and you will be okay. You were one of the quicker RX-8s anyway, so dont feel like youhave to do something. My car is still 99.9% stock, so dont just go out and mod.

darnellm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REq4hjV2H_I

tmak26b

Cool video, gotta love traffic that will let you pass.

Delaware8

Trip home was uneventful. Drooped car off Monday and dealer found the clutch had "disintegrated". The good news is they replaced it under warranty (highly unusual they say) and its back up and running great.

tmak26b

score!! time to work on the heel to toe move

Delaware8

Started working on it on my way home from shop. Maybe it will be ready by VIR.

tmak26b

Just do the best you can, don't stress the drivetrain again.

Paul_in_DC

Wow, what a relief it was covered!