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Old 04-14-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nuke0907
i think i may need to go have the reflash and de-carb done as well. how do i know if i'm still under warranty? i have almost 41K mi already. would i need to pay for any of it?

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Greeeaaat Fuel Mileage... I mean it...
Old 04-14-2008, 08:53 PM
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same deal with me Clavius.. but I know its because I had been doing alot of city driving. Its amazing how drastic the MPG change is from highway to city. Today.. from Queens to Wayne to Middlesex and back to NY I averaged about ~220 on the tank. However, the week before I got a mere 160 miles to the tank... I didn't even do full city, probably 50% city.. but still.. it's terrible.. and yet I love my car .
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is there a way to check if any tsb/recall applies to ur own car online? or is the only way to check this by calling a dealership. cause i hate the dealership im at
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alzorz i wish i can get 160 to the tank!! lol i do 90% city driving and what kills me is i let my car warm up in the mourning to go to work my job is 5 minutes from my house and i think such short distances is whats killing me but last week i managed 88.9 miles to a full tank of gas.. i dont even beat on it i get on it once in a great while
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wow.. that's horrendous
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yea i did have a bad 02 sensor but i cant imagine it hurting the gas mileage that bad..
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man... i'm getting this done tomorrow but i'm kinda hesitant. my gas mileage has been ridiculous for the past 6+ months.. 270 miles per fill up. but i figure, i'm turbo'ing on april 24th... why not
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man... i'm getting this done tomorrow but i'm kinda hesitant. my gas mileage has been ridiculous for the past 6+ months.. 270 miles per fill up. but i figure, i'm turbo'ing on april 24th... why not
ridiculous as in good or bad...? 270 is awesome!!
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Originally Posted by kevinD1226
alzorz i wish i can get 160 to the tank!! lol i do 90% city driving and what kills me is i let my car warm up in the mourning to go to work my job is 5 minutes from my house and i think such short distances is whats killing me but last week i managed 88.9 miles to a full tank of gas.. i dont even beat on it i get on it once in a great while
holy... 88.9 miles on say 14.5 gallons = something like 6.5 mpg.. thats like worse then the bugatti veyron territory

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Old 04-15-2008, 12:06 AM
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holy... 88.9mpg on say 14.5 gallons = something like 6.5 mpg.. thats like worse then the bugatti veyron territory
that can't be right... unless he's driving around with a loaded trunk and back seats and warms up his car for 30+ mins, heel toes every unnecessary turns, revs at red lights and stop signs.... ouch
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Originally Posted by kevinD1226
alzorz i wish i can get 160 to the tank!! lol i do 90% city driving and what kills me is i let my car warm up in the mourning to go to work my job is 5 minutes from my house and i think such short distances is whats killing me but last week i managed 88.9 miles to a full tank of gas.. i dont even beat on it i get on it once in a great while
You CAT is clogged! Sorry I had that type of mileage and my CAT was clogged for the longest time and it didnt throw a CEL. Eventually it did and after it was replaced my mileage popped up to 16mpg City. How does the car feel at WOT does it feel bogged down and the exhaust note sound deep and muffled? I could be wrong I admit but I've seen it to many times on here. Especially if your doing short trips it kills our CAT due to running rich for awhile.

Oh I love how now at 1.5 to about 3.5k there is no hesitation I noticed this last night but didnt post it due to me being in shock of the horendous gas mileage I have. That and at 5k it now seems to well be hesitant for a moment. Like its breaking a ceiling barrier. Odd to describe wish I had a video camera so to show you what I mean.
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i got it done today.... couldn't reall tell with shot coils and spark plugs haha.
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Originally Posted by Kel Rx8
so How do I go about getting my car done I prefer to have you work on my vehicle. and I have one quick question maybe you can answer. I need a alignment and have 20's is that a problem and any chance of getting a negative 1 on my rears.
thank you for your help I really appreciate it.
Call them up, I'll be there this saturday. Explain the services you want, if they tell you that the recall takes too long etc, explain to them that you know it is only a 5 minute thing. If anything try to talk to Ben or Mike, i'll give them a headsup.

As for the alignment, it all depends on the wheel lip and tire combo, but our alignment heads can handle 23's i think.

As for specific alignment setups, make a note of it to the writer and simply request that Only I work on it (kevin, obviously)

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Teknics -- On saterdays you guys take walkin's?
Depends on how the saturday is and what time you show up, i would call ahead tho.

Originally Posted by alz0rz
Got it done today at Wayne Mazda. Took 3 hours to fix my break squeal and reflash me .

So far, no noticeable difference other than it seemed like it was a bit easier on gas!
Sorry for such a long wait, we were pretty congested at the time which happens whne servicing 120+ cars a day on average, I felt bad for the wait since the majority of the time I didnt even have the ticket yet. Then I had to wait for the Brake Lathe as both were being used. Hopefully the brakes make no more noise, let me know.

Originally Posted by muythaibxr
Keep in mind that when they reflash, they pull the room fuse, so you should wait until after you've done a good bit of cruise driving before you say you gained horsepower.

Most people notice a difference in power after the room fuse is pulled, and I'm willing to bet that most people who are noticing a difference in horsepower are just noticing the difference from that.

I noticed a difference in power the first day or two after having that reflash, but now it feels the same as it used to.

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We don't pull the room fuse. We plug in the OBD adapter, go to "module Reprogramming" select "PCM" and then simply turn your key on and off in sequence as instructed. Either way I dont even think the room fuse is connected to the PCM.

Originally Posted by nuke0907
i think i may need to go have the reflash and de-carb done as well. how do i know if i'm still under warranty? i have almost 41K mi already. would i need to pay for any of it?
If you really want you can send me your VIN and I can check it out for you.

Originally Posted by kevinD1226
is there a way to check if any tsb/recall applies to ur own car online? or is the only way to check this by calling a dealership. cause i hate the dealership im at
Same reply as above, send me your vin and I can run a check on it for you.

thanks again guys, sorry Ive been missing for a few days, working on buying my first bike so been doing tons of research, Yamaha Vmax here I come .

Oh and hopefully I can swing by for tonights meet.

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I bring my car to the dearler today for MSP16 . The only thing tech did is reprogram PCM. I have 59,560 miles on the car and the service was free on this recall. I drove the car back to work today and I did feel the different. Alots smoother and a little gain of power.
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Originally Posted by teknics
If you really want you can send me your VIN and I can check it out for you.



Same reply as above, send me your vin and I can run a check on it for you.

thanks again guys, sorry Ive been missing for a few days, working on buying my first bike so been doing tons of research, Yamaha Vmax here I come .

Oh and hopefully I can swing by for tonights meet.

kevin.
PMed. thanks. my dad has one of those bikes. he likes it a lot. or maybe its a V Star. oh well i can't remember. i'm sure you'll love it.
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Originally Posted by teknics
Sorry for such a long wait, we were pretty congested at the time which happens whne servicing 120+ cars a day on average, I felt bad for the wait since the majority of the time I didnt even have the ticket yet. Then I had to wait for the Brake Lathe as both were being used. Hopefully the brakes make no more noise, let me know.

kevin.
np dude, it's great to see my car was in good hands .

The brakes are perfect right now. Were you the tech that took my car out for the drive as well? I watched as you pulled it away and saw you when you came back.. I hope you didn't mind the quart of RP Synthetic I had stashed under the passenger seat which apparently found its way out, just pretend you didn't see anything!!
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I've got a question the cost of de-carb. Some of the posts here sound like it should be covered out of warranty -- is that correct?

My car is out of warranty (45K, Jul 03 -- came over on the first boat I think). Dealer is doing the MSP16 reflash w/ no charge, but is charging me $135 for de-carb. Is this reasonable? Or are they ripping me off?
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sounds like they are ripping you off if its part of the hard start TSB.....that and why are you out of warantee.....they extended the 04's to 5/50 with the last recall
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Originally Posted by mikecarlton
I've got a question the cost of de-carb. Some of the posts here sound like it should be covered out of warranty -- is that correct?

My car is out of warranty (45K, Jul 03 -- came over on the first boat I think). Dealer is doing the MSP16 reflash w/ no charge, but is charging me $135 for de-carb. Is this reasonable? Or are they ripping me off?
Are you sure ur warranty is out? cuz even my 05 comes with 48K miles / 48 Months Bumper to Bumper warranty.

If urs is really from the *first boat*, ur warranty should be even longer, u might want to check with MNAO.
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thanks Kev
going in saturday and have you booked to work on her.
cant wait to see what you find.
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Originally Posted by mikecarlton
I've got a question the cost of de-carb. Some of the posts here sound like it should be covered out of warranty -- is that correct?

My car is out of warranty (45K, Jul 03 -- came over on the first boat I think). Dealer is doing the MSP16 reflash w/ no charge, but is charging me $135 for de-carb. Is this reasonable? Or are they ripping me off?
Your car is not out of warranty. The original is 4/48 and last years "emissions" recall extended powertrain to 5/60.

I though warranty starts at purchase date, no? Build date doesn't matter. I could be wrong - it happens occasionally. But even if yours started in July 03 you would still be covered until July 08.


EDIT: However, I also think the de-carb procedure is only for lack of power complaints. It is on a separate "lack of power" TSB, not the MSP TSB. So the reflash is free, but the de-carb is part of a separate TSB which would only be free for lack of power complaints.

Notice the top 2 TSB (linked here) - both are "lack of power" but the top one is the MSP for reflash, while the second one down includes the de-carb for power issues. All my interpretation of them, but that seems to be the case.

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Warranty absolutely commences at Purchase Date, vs. build date.

btw: My '05 sat on the lot for a year after its build date to my, new, purchase date. Kinda insane if the warranty clock was already running for that full year before I even owned it.

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Your car is not out of warranty. The original is 4/48 and last years "emissions" recall extended powertrain to 5/60.

I thought warranty starts at purchase date, no? Build date doesn't matter. I could be wrong - it happens occasionally.
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Exactly. Mine was the same: 2005 bought on March 13, 2006.


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