First test drive with the new NAPOL Coil packs and wires
05-03-2017, 07:25 PM
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Out of curiosity, what's the difference between the standard black that came on the '04+ and black mica? Is it the little shiny specks/flakes in the paint?
Also...I thought I was joking. Apparently mica is magnetic even though it contains very low traces of iron. I'm not sure if they actually make the paint out of this stuff, but I thought it was hilarious.
Magnetic Susceptibility of Mica : Abstract : Nature
Also...I thought I was joking. Apparently mica is magnetic even though it contains very low traces of iron. I'm not sure if they actually make the paint out of this stuff, but I thought it was hilarious.
Magnetic Susceptibility of Mica : Abstract : Nature
05-03-2017, 07:51 PM
#27
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Out of curiosity, what's the difference between the standard black that came on the '04+ and black mica? Is it the little shiny specks/flakes in the paint?
Also...I thought I was joking. Apparently mica is magnetic even though it contains very low traces of iron. I'm not sure if they actually make the paint out of this stuff, but I thought it was hilarious.
Magnetic Susceptibility of Mica : Abstract : Nature
Also...I thought I was joking. Apparently mica is magnetic even though it contains very low traces of iron. I'm not sure if they actually make the paint out of this stuff, but I thought it was hilarious.
Magnetic Susceptibility of Mica : Abstract : Nature
Lightning Yellow also, as far as I know, the only 2 RX8 colors with no mica.
05-04-2017, 07:32 AM
#29
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Do yourself a favor and pretend these don't exist.
Here are your options for known good coils:
Since you are new, please take the time to read this entire thread. 80% of what you will ever need to know about RX-8s is available in this one place.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...4/#post4533701
This is also a very important read, if you are thinking about modding your car.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...rx-8-a-233937/
Here are your options for known good coils:
You have a number of options for coils:
- The Cheapest option: BWD/Intermotor coils from auto parts stores like Advance Auto. These ARE OEM coils, just being sold to auto parts stores directly from the original manufacturer. This is common for virtually every OEM part for any car older than about 5 years old. 4 coils, 4 plugs, and 4 wires can be had for around $190-220 total based on whatever promotion is running at the time, shipped to your door for free. They are considered to be the first coil revision and you should expect to need to replace them around 20,000 miles, 30,000 miles max. They often come with a "lifetime warranty" by the auto parts store, which could potentially be leveraged for perpetually new coils.
- The Best Upgrade: The BHR ignition coil upgrade can be had for around $500, which eliminates the need to continue replacing coils periodically, as well as deliverying a significantly stronger spark for minor mileage and power gains. It is a proven kit with top notch customer service supporting it. It includes the wires, you still need to add plugs ($80)
- The For-Sure OEM: Mazmart sells all 4 coils of the latest OEM coil revision (C) for around $250, (just the coils, you still need to add plugs and wires) Supported by top notch customer service. They will likely last longer than 30,000 miles, but we don't have much solid data on how long the latest coil revision will last. If you are having trouble getting other coil options where you live, or are wary about purchasing coils from other sources, then this is your cheapest option for coils straight out of the Mazda dealer parts network.
- The Most Expensive option: Buying from a dealer will run you around $300+ for the coils, $500+ for coils, wires and plugs, and if you have them do the install, expect to get a bill for anywhere from $700 to $1,800. You may not get the latest coil revision, and it is unlikely that the dealer or techs will be able to tell you what coil revision you have. Yes, you are getting shafted if you take this option, so bring lube.
- The Highest Risk option: Ebay coils continue to pop up as counterfeit, mislabeled, dead on arrival, and have zero post-purchase support largely. They are the "cheapest" listed price, but when you add that $92 or whatever to the price of anything in the list above from having to do it over again, you can see that they are no longer the cheapest option. Do it right the first time. "Motor King" coils are popping up at an attractive price on Ebay, but are being proven as ineffective, to the point of being unable to get the engine fired. "Mazda" branded coils on ebay are almost always counterfeit. Check the seller's name though, since some of our vendors sell legitimate coils there. The price will be $200+ though. Anything sold as "Mazda OEM" under ~$26 per coil should really be considered as suspect and probably counterfeit.
- The Cheapest option: BWD/Intermotor coils from auto parts stores like Advance Auto. These ARE OEM coils, just being sold to auto parts stores directly from the original manufacturer. This is common for virtually every OEM part for any car older than about 5 years old. 4 coils, 4 plugs, and 4 wires can be had for around $190-220 total based on whatever promotion is running at the time, shipped to your door for free. They are considered to be the first coil revision and you should expect to need to replace them around 20,000 miles, 30,000 miles max. They often come with a "lifetime warranty" by the auto parts store, which could potentially be leveraged for perpetually new coils.
- The Best Upgrade: The BHR ignition coil upgrade can be had for around $500, which eliminates the need to continue replacing coils periodically, as well as deliverying a significantly stronger spark for minor mileage and power gains. It is a proven kit with top notch customer service supporting it. It includes the wires, you still need to add plugs ($80)
- The For-Sure OEM: Mazmart sells all 4 coils of the latest OEM coil revision (C) for around $250, (just the coils, you still need to add plugs and wires) Supported by top notch customer service. They will likely last longer than 30,000 miles, but we don't have much solid data on how long the latest coil revision will last. If you are having trouble getting other coil options where you live, or are wary about purchasing coils from other sources, then this is your cheapest option for coils straight out of the Mazda dealer parts network.
- The Most Expensive option: Buying from a dealer will run you around $300+ for the coils, $500+ for coils, wires and plugs, and if you have them do the install, expect to get a bill for anywhere from $700 to $1,800. You may not get the latest coil revision, and it is unlikely that the dealer or techs will be able to tell you what coil revision you have. Yes, you are getting shafted if you take this option, so bring lube.
- The Highest Risk option: Ebay coils continue to pop up as counterfeit, mislabeled, dead on arrival, and have zero post-purchase support largely. They are the "cheapest" listed price, but when you add that $92 or whatever to the price of anything in the list above from having to do it over again, you can see that they are no longer the cheapest option. Do it right the first time. "Motor King" coils are popping up at an attractive price on Ebay, but are being proven as ineffective, to the point of being unable to get the engine fired. "Mazda" branded coils on ebay are almost always counterfeit. Check the seller's name though, since some of our vendors sell legitimate coils there. The price will be $200+ though. Anything sold as "Mazda OEM" under ~$26 per coil should really be considered as suspect and probably counterfeit.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...4/#post4533701
This is also a very important read, if you are thinking about modding your car.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...rx-8-a-233937/
05-04-2017, 08:59 AM
#31
Water Foul
Those of us, who know how coils are made and who makes them, are 95% sure these are the same inferior Chinese coils repackaged in a spiffy yellow case. If we are correct, these coils will fail in under 20K miles, probably under 10K.
05-04-2017, 08:59 AM
#32
You gonna eat that?
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Do yourself a favor and pretend these don't exist.
Here are your options for known good coils:
Since you are new, please take the time to read this entire thread. 80% of what you will ever need to know about RX-8s is available in this one place.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...4/#post4533701
This is also a very important read, if you are thinking about modding your car.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...rx-8-a-233937/
Here are your options for known good coils:
Since you are new, please take the time to read this entire thread. 80% of what you will ever need to know about RX-8s is available in this one place.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...4/#post4533701
This is also a very important read, if you are thinking about modding your car.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...rx-8-a-233937/
http://www.sakebombgarage.com/comple...-kit-se3p-rx8/
Last edited by BigCajun; 05-04-2017 at 09:01 AM.
05-05-2017, 04:24 AM
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Thanks for sharing Zume.
Pity there's no aftermarket parts in Indonesia and It's too expensive to ship them from US (there's tax besides shipping fees).
U guys make me drool.
Pity there's no aftermarket parts in Indonesia and It's too expensive to ship them from US (there's tax besides shipping fees).
U guys make me drool.
05-05-2017, 04:33 AM
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The car is running fantastic with the NAPOL coils thanks. And for $150 shipped to your door so far appears to be an excellent price. These coils appear to be extremely well made. Steve is partial to BHR coils and nobody can blame him they are the best on the market. However I'll point out when Steve said they can be had for around $500 he really should have said around $540. That is about $400 more expensive and thus far these coils are running great and again appear very well made I have zero reason to doubt them because as other CONTINUE TO GLAZE OVER... THESE COILS COME WITH A 5 YEAR WARRANTY. And unless someone can post here they they have been screwed some how by NAPOL with warranty issues then it's really not fair to discredit that warranty until it's proven that they're hustlers.
Now back to the price point... if these coils that appear very well made indeed turn out to be reliable and even if they last 30k miles that's not bad at all for the price. If somone cannot afford $540 at the time for BHR these may be a great option I'll know in a while.
Anyway as stated before if these fail I will post it here. There is really nothing else for this thread atm... just have to wait on mileage and see how they run long term. I'm trying to do everyone a favor and use my car as the guinea pig I hope certain people keep that in mind before coming to the table with useless negativity. Save that for later if these coils flame out please.
Now back to the price point... if these coils that appear very well made indeed turn out to be reliable and even if they last 30k miles that's not bad at all for the price. If somone cannot afford $540 at the time for BHR these may be a great option I'll know in a while.
Anyway as stated before if these fail I will post it here. There is really nothing else for this thread atm... just have to wait on mileage and see how they run long term. I'm trying to do everyone a favor and use my car as the guinea pig I hope certain people keep that in mind before coming to the table with useless negativity. Save that for later if these coils flame out please.
05-05-2017, 05:05 AM
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You never know they could be made in Indonesia! lol Let's be honest... we all know that most everything is made in China these days regardless of which country is stamped on it. For example they can say " made in Germany " in certain instances... and depending on the laws in that country all they have to do is assemble the item in that country and the entire thing can be manufactured in China. The cut throat competitive open market place pretty much demands it unfortunately because greasey businesses make false claims... but therefore have much lower manufacturing costs and can place their product on the market at a much lower price point. What are the competitors to do to stay in business? The same greasey thing unfortunately.
05-05-2017, 05:09 AM
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You never know they could be made in Indonesia! lol Let's be honest... we all know that most everything is made in China these days regardless of which country is stamped on it. For example they can say " made in Germany " in certain instances... and depending on the laws in that country all they have to do is assemble the item in that country and the entire thing can be manufactured in China. The cut throat competitive open market place pretty much demands it unfortunately because greasey businesses make false claims... but therefore have much lower manufacturing costs and can place their product on the market at a much lower price point. What are the competitors to do to stay in business? The same greasey thing unfortunately.
05-05-2017, 05:10 AM
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Upon thinking about it I should point out I don't put a lot of mileage on this car. It's a summer car only... so I hope nobody is waiting around to see the long term result waiting to possibly buy coils in short order.
Realistically... it will probably be at least 2 summers before I do even 10k miles. Just thought I should point that out. I live... work... shop...bank etc all within a close proximity and as much as I will be putting the most mileage I can on the car simply because I love driving it... it's gonna a be quite a while before I can have definitive answers.
Until then stay positive... and drive safe
Realistically... it will probably be at least 2 summers before I do even 10k miles. Just thought I should point that out. I live... work... shop...bank etc all within a close proximity and as much as I will be putting the most mileage I can on the car simply because I love driving it... it's gonna a be quite a while before I can have definitive answers.
Until then stay positive... and drive safe
Last edited by ZumeZume; 05-05-2017 at 05:41 AM.
05-05-2017, 05:12 AM
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05-05-2017, 05:21 AM
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05-05-2017, 06:35 AM
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just an fyi op, i bought a set of coils from advanced auto many years ago for less money with a lifetime warranty. i put less than 5k a year on my car and every spring when i took it out of storage i would just go return the coils for new ones. they worked just fine and i had new coils every spring
05-05-2017, 06:43 AM
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You gonna eat that?
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Yeah, but they ain't that awesome yellow color.
They's special.
They's special.
05-05-2017, 06:51 AM
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just an fyi op, i bought a set of coils from advanced auto many years ago for less money with a lifetime warranty. i put less than 5k a year on my car and every spring when i took it out of storage i would just go return the coils for new ones. they worked just fine and i had new coils every spring
05-05-2017, 06:52 AM
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05-05-2017, 10:55 AM
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05-05-2017, 11:33 AM
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05-05-2017, 11:35 AM
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I am only giving an honest assessment as it applies to my experience with them nothing more... as time goes on. I have nothing at all to do with NAPOL I have nothing to gain by sharing accept for mostly ridicule thus far.
It would be great if they turn out to be decent coils and wires then there is something on the market for every budget.
05-05-2017, 11:59 AM
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05-05-2017, 01:46 PM
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woohoo. i love when people try to compare coils to the bhr set. wheres that popcorn gif