Cryo7c1

Does this sound like flooding? I did spray some penetrating oil into and around the spark plug ports after removing the old ones. Or is it something more serious? :-/

I have a 2010 automatic.


** Edit: This has been resolved and it was due to a faulty ignition kit, or incorrect installation. The BHR ignition kit is an awesome product. Never use penetrating oil to clean out spark plug ports. It'll flood the engine. o.O **

Loki

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Very short video, but it sounds like it's catching just not fully. Are all the plug wires fully seated?

Cryo7c1

Well, I was trying to figure out what constitutes a fully seated spark plug. I couldn't find any pictures of what the cables look like fully seated onto the plugs. I pushed as hard as I could on them with my fingers. I'll take another video of me doing a few attempts in a row with a short break (as if I were doing a de-flooding procedure).

Cryo7c1

Here's a longer video. I'll have to jack the car back up tomorrow and go through all of this again. I know the coils clicked going onto the wires. I wish the wires would click going onto the plugs as well. I have no idea if they are fully seated or how they should feel while fully seated

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Loki

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Did you ground the coils' extra ground wire? If so, where?

Cryo7c1

I ran the only ground wire the coils on the kit had to the cars main ground - per the instructions. According to the instructions the ground would have had two wires already grounded to it, which it did.

Cryo7c1

I started to pull the plugs out and they are def. wet. I was able to shake them and some gas/oil came off of them. If I pull all of them out and keep them out all night will that dry out the ports? Or do I have to go through a de-flooding procedure?

Edit: Still not starting. I've removed the plugs, cleaned them again, and followed the manuals de-flooding procedure. I have no idea what is wrong. The car started just fine before putting this BHR ignition kit in. If I can't resolve it by tomorrow I'll have it towed to Mazda.

Steve Dallas

I'm going to suggest a few things:

1. It is wiser to contact a vendor directly for support than it is to start threads on a public forum that have the potential to present his products in a negative light--especially when it will turn out to be user error.

2. People who shoot video in portrait mode deserve to be ignored, maybe taken out and shot. If they can't hold a camera correctly, they have no business working on cars.

3. Why would you use an oil-based product to clean spark plugs? Plugs need to be clean, dry, and free of residue to work properly. Denatured alcohol, contact cleaner, or brake cleaner from now on, OK?

4. The most likely causes of your starting problems are:

A. Wires not completely seated on the coils and/or on the plugs;

B. Wires installed in the wrong order;

C. Coil ground wire not properly secured;

D. Coil wiring harnesses not properly installed, installed in the wrong order, or pinched wire, plus blown fuse(s);

E. Flooded engine and wet plugs.

My money is on D + E.

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BigCajun

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The wires will 'snap' when they are on fully.
Be sure you didn't cross your wires and plugs.
A weak battery or starter will cause floods also.
Be sure your battery terminals are clean and tight on the posts, the terminals can stretch and be loose even if the bolts are tight.
Then be sure your battery is good and fully charged.
You can try taking the plugs out, pull your fuel pump fuse, and turn it over a few times to clear out any fuel.
Then put the plugs back and turn it over a few times for 10-15 seconds with a 30 second or minute break in between to help burn off any remaining fuel.
If you have a charger or booster you can leave hooked to it, that helps, or in a pinch, hooked up to another car battery like a jump.
After 4 or 5 cycles, put the fuse back in and try it.

Cryo7c1

The video was for the sound, not the video. I thought that was obvious. I'll make that more clear next time.

I did nothing wrong (well with the kit installation itself). I reinstalled that kit twice while triple checking everything. I asked a friend of mine to come over who's a mechanic. I told him I think the engine is flooded. He listened to the car and said that's exactly what it is. He doesn't even own an RX8 and he knew it was flooded just by listening to me turn it over once.

He had me pull the bottom two plugs out, press down on the gas, and turn it over. Each time, gas/oil shot out, and I cleaned it up. Once that was done he had me pull out each plug and he cleaned them with carb cleaner. I put everything back in, fired it up, and wow, this car has never run so great.

So my mistake was cleaning out the spark plug ports with penetrating oil.

So, it was just "E".

I also don't think it's wiser asking just the vendor for help for anything. Do you only take the car to Mazda and take all of their advice? I'd like to ask the community which is what this forum is really here for.

Thank you for your help tho....

Cryo7c1

You gave up on me too quick man! That's more than half my fault. Your kit is great and I've re-named my YouTube videos to basically show what a flooded RX8 engine sounds like. I couldn't find any good ones on YouTube so I was having a hard time with the diagnosis.

Yeah, I used penetrating oil to clean the spark plug ports out. So there was that and the fact that the engine had build up due to a previous miss-fire.

Once these coils caught and the engine fired up, it blew tons of smoke out of the exhaust. It ran rough for 2-3 minutes and then started to sound amazing. I've never heard my car sound this amazing.

Everyone should buy your kit right now. Shut up and take my money! haha

CelestialGryphon

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We think so too. I've got about $1500 worth of his products, because if I didn't think they'd work I wouldn't own them. My wife hates the motor mounts because she thinks it makes the car too stiff. I, personally, love them.

Cryo7c1

I unfortunately ordered the motor mounts from rx8performance and he never shipped them. I have an open paypal claim with that company. If I end up getting a refund, I plan on ordering the BHR motor mounts.

9krpmrx8

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Big Surprise. Please start a thread in the "Bad Guy" section about this transaction. That guy has a shady reputation as it is, and you could help someone else by creating a thread to advice other new members.

BigCajun

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+1^
I will add that when I first got my 8 and was having issues, Charles was one of the first members to offer advice, and I wasn't aware he was a vendor here.
Even more, he recommended I clean the ESS and MAF sensor, and didn't mention replacing the ignition.
I don't recall him ever openly pushing his products in the almost 5 years I've been here.
Word of mouth directed me to his company.
I have purchased the BHR ignition kit, resonated midpipe, and fuel ring tool, and have been very satisfied with them.

Steve Dallas

You are making an apples to socket wrenches comparison. I don't take all of the dealer's advice, because the techs at the dealer: A. did not engineer the product themselves, and B. are often idiots.

Secondly, if you cannot see that starting a thread entitled, "BHR Ignition Kit -- This seriously doesn't fit this car!" and including nonsense questions such as, "Did they even bother to test this in an RX-8?" is potentially harmful to the vendor, then I am at a loss for words. The vendor did nothing wrong, and in fact, created and sells a great product that has saved a large number of RX-8s from the scrap heap. Yet, you put statements out there that will turn up in search results, that may cost BHR sales in our short-attention-span world. It is a ridiculous and short-sighted approach to getting help.

When I buy a product and have trouble with it, I put in a ticket with the vendor, if I think they will be competent in helping me. If I am in a hurry or am unsatisfied with the response, I will start a thread titled something like, "Guys, I'm a Moron and Can't Figure Out What I'm Doing Wrong with this BHR Ignition Kit." People will click the link, because they want to find out why I am being self-deprecating, if there is any humor to be found, and whether they can help me. That kind of thread turns into a troubleshooting resource down the road, when it comes up in search results. Most importantly, the vendor won't be quietly annoyed with me and trying to support me through gritted teeth.