Forgoter

Hi, I am a new member to the forum and I sorry for a bad question. But I recently get into a discussion with a person that states rx8 is worse as the successor rx7. From a post long time ago I read, that rx8 was a successor for rx2 or 3 I kinda forgot. But yeah, I believe I am correct although alot website do say rx8 in a sense that it's the successor of rx7.

I just wonder if anyone can tell me a little more about this and tell me who is right. I really apologize for this post, but the discussion we had soon turned into a brutal fight where each side curse each others. I did do my previous search and read all the thread before decide to post this. I kinda can't summarize up with the opinions since everyone seems to thought a little differently. If someone can give me some good proof I thank from my heart.

Forgoter

I understand rx8 is build behind rx7 but I can't see much similarities between those two. I thought rx8's previous car must be a sedan or something.... but that guy was like :"I own 350z, s2000, and rx8. I drive rx7 also. Your just those no knowledge kid trying to question me." I had to admit that I do have limited knowledge on rx series stories. I am going to own an rx8 this summer though. This is the main reason i met him under a rx8 maintenance video...If I am right I will just link the evidence to him and if he is, I will apologize.

Joeyjoiner

Popular opinion says that the RX7 is a better performer than the RX8......(popcorn).

peloponisios

Rx-7 fd is "the only true sports car from Japan". That's what was promoted back in the day. I think it is. I'm a little biased.
The plan for the Rx8 on the other hand was to be the first modern mass produced family sports rotary vehicle on a global scale. It was ambitious so naturally, it failed.
Nevertheless, it is a great chassis, one that makes you feel like a hero everytime you find a twisty road.
And with the way FD prices are going, it might be the last affordable rotary mazda for the time being.

Forgoter

yes, that was my opinion on rx8 is that it does not mean to be the rx7 type of car. But I think many people disagree with this and include the one I was discussed with. What's bad is that I don't have a strong official proof to kinda tell them..

Loki

iTrader: (1)

Is the fact that ithe 8 has more seats and doors and makes less power not a clue that it wasn't designed for the same purpose as the 7? Does he think Mazda just forgot to make the 8 faster than the 7?

There's a rx8 book published by Mazda, there might be answers in there. It's a fun eead anyway..

speed7

Successor.. maybe not.. but I'm pretty sure that's all marketing mumbo jumbo from Mazda anyways. Was it an improvement on the Rx7? Yes, most definitely, but that is also because of the age and technology. An example would be if the rx8 had a turbo, the need of the "rats nest" seen in the FD wouldn't exist. In the early 2000's we had better ways of managing turbos.

Could we have seen more improvements in a later series rx8 that really brought the platform to another level, sure. But poor sales and many other factors stopped that from happening. I think we saw "peak rx8" with the improvements made to the series 2 engine.

But to just do an apples to apples comparison looking for a successor I think isn't something you can do between the Rx7 and Rx8. I feel like you're comparing a apple to a pear. It's two different fruits. Two different cars, two different platforms all together.

I think another way to look at it is. is the Cosmo the successor to the Rx7? Or maybe the Rx8 is a new car that was meant to combine the Rx7 and the latest generation Cosmo?

And yes.. these are all just opinions.. and unfortunately that is a majority of what you'll get on this topic.

CaymanRotary

If it weren't for emissions laws, the RX-8 engine would have been a lot better. Engines failed due to the heavily restricted design of the engine and exhaust causing the car to gain such a hated reputation. The actual car itself apart from the engine is far better than the RX-7. More practical, easier to work on and maintain as well as better handling made the RX-8 chassis and design a true successor to the RX-7.

TLDR: It was basically let down by poor engine design required to meet new emissions laws which led to ruined engines.

Loki

iTrader: (1)

I won't post the whole book, but this section might be relevant.

Basically the RX7 was built to compete with 911s. The comparison of the 8 with the Boxster in these pages is a clue for what market niche the 8 was supposed to occupy.

speed7

Oh.. now this makes total sense. Where is that article btw? I'd like to grab a copy of that for my collection.

Loki

iTrader: (1)

It's from the RX8 book.https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/rx-8_j...dition=4979545

Forgoter

Thank you so much. The important thing for debate with another guy is to have some strong evidence to support the claim. I am going to buy one and recommend this book to the guy I debate with. Tbh it is very frustrating getting called keyboard warrior.

Forgoter

Thank you so much for the information. Yeah, as i am prepare for owning a rx8, i never thought to compare it with the rx7 since I don't see much in common. But when I point out this thing in the comparing comments, the guy just become very aggressive. I mean I understand the way he think rx8 is really "bad" successor and rx7 is the best. But I really saw rx8 as another different model. But that guy ofc has more experience as he has so many jdm cars. So I thought maybe I could get some help from forums to support my opinion.

But I dont think the truly evidence really helps anymore. As the day goes he just thinking I am a keyboard warrior and don't own any jdm cars. So he probably won't listen and continue to spam bad words. Man, internet those days...

speed7

Yeah people on the internet can get grouchy.. I too have been known to fall into that category. Hopefully not that often though. FWIW, I've owned 3 rx7 FB's or 1984-85 rx7's. I've also owned a 1993 Rx7 FD R1. My favorite rotary to date is the Rx8. I didn't like it at first.. but it grew on me. It reminds me of a 1985 first gen rx7 "FB" but all grown up. It handles better than an 3rd gen Rx7 FD, simply because of it's longer wheelbase. Could it be faster... sure.. but for what it is.. it's actually a lot of fun. And a car that is fun to drive is rewarding in it's own way.

Forgoter

Thank you all so much for the information I got. I just fall into this hole of convincing others. It's like when I am in school, I always like to argue and win the debate on a small topic.. now when I look back, I don't see any opinions made by him but only verbal attacks on my name and personal information. I was recommended him come to this thread and post his opinion but I guess he don't want to.. Maybe it's not a good debate to start with and I will just block him.

I am soon going to own a rx8 and I prepare it for months to avoid any problems. I am very excited and that probably be the cause of I want to "defend my car" as he try to promoting rx7 by put down rx8. I apologize for long and boring replies as I am an English learner. I will get the book above and learn more about the car.

Thank you.

Loki

iTrader: (1)

The internet is big and full of people with opinions, it's not worth your time to argue trivial stuff like this. Clearly he's not interested in what you have to say anyway. But the good news is you can still get your car and enjoy it out in the real world. Haters gonna hate.