LSXREX

Jesus Christ that's alot of power.

9krpmrx8

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Maybe. If it is like most LS swaps, it won't get past that stage.

LSXREX

But even at that stage it's more reliable that a rotary. And it makes more power

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Don't quit your day job.

Joker_andthe_thief

"bruhh anyone who is not willing to sacrifice both ********* to the all mighty 13b Renesis have their heads in the sand!" -Rotards

if you are defending the Renny you have...

1) Pay full price $25,000 for the car new (because you don't know enough about cars in general to risk buying privately or used)

2) spent another $5,000 rebuilding the Renny the (the first time)

3) spent $12,000 on supporting mods only to realize you still have an unreliable 250-260hp motor "Buh my fittings alone were $3000." dumb to spend that much

4) rebuild again $5,000 (spring for ceramic seals to last longer!? nah

add it up? $47,000 for a mazda with a resale of maybe $15,000 - $18,000 if your lucky

and only 260hp - 200tq being generous with those numbers,,
so all considered "You dun goofed" but your ego strives for a way to justify, but can't
seems like you guys are defending the Renny solely based on your Level of butthurt



just swap it,, it's like marrying the first woman you ever had sex with,,,,,,

and anyone who disagrees before they've had to do their first swap has no point to make ZERO because they still think that they have a magic unicorn Renny that couldn't possibly need a rebuild, 90% of rx-8 driver's when it blows they sell #needsenginework

BigCajun

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Negative to all of the above.
Used '04 GT,
<$15k,
40k miles, original engine.
I will defend the Renesis, it's the best driving, most fun, and enjoyable experience I've ever had in a car.
I've been enjoying the Hell out of it nearly every day for 2 1/2 years, and as far as I'm concerned, it's paid for itself already.
Everything from here on out is gravy.
The blanket statements you continue to make are somewhat justified by the reputation the RX8 has received by bad experiences from many who have had problems, and perpetuated by those who enjoy trashing things they can't understand.
If you are fulfilled by ruining the aesthetics of a fine automobile in the quest for more torque and power, good for you.
I prefer to just drive my car everyday, enjoying my driving experience, rather than waste time and money in some fruitless, ego driven timesuck.
Maybe one day you'll understand.
Have fun!

Joker_andthe_thief

-personal feeling = butthurt

-hating on people with the ***** to try something your too scared to even think about

-distrusts the most reliable form of internal combustion engine that 99.98% of all road vehicles utilize


--so did I miss the Group Buy thread for Meth!? because I'd have no way of making sense of this.

soooo yea

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

How is a non-running car more reliable than a running one?

A reliable paperweight? "It never moves! Not even if you tried! 100% reliable in that"

Actually yes. My RX-8's engine lasted longer than any single one of my piston engines (4 piston engine failures)

On top of that, my 2002 Corolla not only had engine failure far far earlier than my RX-8's engine failure, but my RX-8's engine failure cost me $52, my Corolla's engine failure cost me >$6,000 (when it was all said and done). I spend FAR more on unexpected repairs on that Corolla than I did on my RX-8. My RX-8 only ever stranded me once, at 90k when my original factory clutch shattered at 9,000rpm and took out the nose of my starter (pics). I've been stranded by every single one of the piston engine powered cars i've driven repeatedly.

My RX-8 was the most reliable car I've ever owned. 2 Miatas, a Mazda5, A Protege5, 3 Corollas, and a Geo Tracker. It isn't even particularly bad on gas compared to some of the others.


Even if you want to chalk up the engine failures to being my fault on them all (none of them were), apparently the rotary is simply more suited to me than piston engines.

Joker_andthe_thief

Jeesus you killed that many motors? Maybe it's just you? Yea the rx-8 doesn't die from over reving but it just dies from regular use, a piston engine with regular use should last 300-400,000km sometimes more

There was a man who rolled 1million on his accord and Honda gave him a brand new car and took his

BigCajun

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I feel sorry for someone who spent over 1,000,000 miles of their life in an Accord.

logalinipoo

I think your talking about pre 90's cars that use to get that kind of miles. But oh yeah those v8's had about as much power as a rotary.

9krpmrx8

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@ all the guys with non running soon to be swapped RX-8's talking ****. My car has been paid off since 2007 or so. And $5,000.00 for a Renny rebuild? Mine was $3900.00 from Pineapple with extras, there are intake manifolds that cost almost as much.

When you get that POS running then you can come talk ****, until then you are just another blabber mouth noob.

RIWWP

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One engine failure was from a design flaw that later triggered a recall, one was because the prior owner ran it out of oil and sold it before he got stuck with the bill, another was because i took a gamble on a junkyard motor replacing that one, and another was from a clogged oil passage.

The 8's motor was from a cat failure at 55k that damaged one or more of the seals. The engine lasted to 96k before it finally failed a compression test and was replaced under warranty, but was still running fine, daily driver.



Even if you ignore the actual reasons for failure, I have plenty of justification for me paranoia about piston engine failure. My current MSM is a lot faster than my RX-8 was (~230whp, 2,400lbs), but I'm constantly worried that I just damaged something on the motor and I don't enjoy the feel of the engine. I want to get back in an RX-8 because I enjoy the engine more and my concerns about random failures would disappear. Sure, I can expect an engine failure at some point, but that doesn't bother me. At least when it does fail, the car will still be totally driveable, and it will be a failure that I can easily prepare for and deal with. Those don't apply to any piston engine failure.

No, give me back an 8. I trust them a hell of a lot more than any piston powered car, and without the element of fear, I enjoy them far more too.

LSXREX

Aren't we in a Frankenstein thread? Seems odd that a lot of Renny guys are the ones talking ****. "Oooooohhhhh noooo you pulled the heart out of a perfect car!" Who the hell cares? If the rotary wasn't such a global catastrophic failure then then we would see them in other cars. Fact is, a higher percentage of rotary motors are failed when compared to the percentage of recip motors. Maybe you aren't just cut out for recip motors.

Joker_andthe_thief

CRO8TIA

Oh come on LS, can't you see it is better to replace the Renesis a few times or to sink 20k+ into the 8 ,or to take almost 4 years for a turbo install and sit in the garage just in case something else fails, the vehicle is still only worth 10k or so, Those that have the know how and talent to do a swap will , some will fail some will not. If the Brits didn't modify the P51 with the Merlin,as the Allison was a POS, it would not have been 1 of the oustanding Aircraft it is.

200.mph

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your missing the point that nobody has done a 100% functional swap. thats why all the hate, and when people say how easy and cheap it will be it just adds fuel to the fire

Joker_andthe_thief

--ok $3900 in parts!? my whole motor was only $1000!! with twin ct12a's computer and harness with roughly 170psi on each cylinder,

lol at the noob comment, would you like to play some Counter strike and we can all start name calling?

LSXREX

I do swaps quite often. I dont see difficulty in putting any motor in anything. Now making it look like it was assembled by robots and rolled off the fsctory line is the difficult part. Personally i wouldnt waste the time overthi king a task and unnecessarily overdoing it. That being said it isnt half ***. As long as it completes the mission and doesnt look bad doing it, then its good in my book. Some people here (mostly Renny guys without any real swap experience I assume.) think thats halfassed. I think the rotary is half "balled" and will never be as great of a motor as its made out to be here. Intriguing yes, but not an intelligent motor for a driver. Hence why ithas only been used in a few models.

Joker_andthe_thief

me starting to think your a fake car guy? a preppy accountant or banker who has little to no mechanical skill and just pays what ever the mechanic whats to charge because "it's done right" lol

I do everything myself, by myself except for the machining of custom parts to wich i bust out my dial caliper and make drawing for my guy. i have been looking to obtain a vertical mill or a horizontal lathe but the cheapest i have available is from the 80's and it's $11,000 lol plus with the hoist in the garage I'm lacking room

LSXREX

Once again another die hard Renny guy in the frankenstein area. Swap guys love i put from you guys

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

No it wasn't.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you have to compared used to used. Sure, your engine will end up being cheaper, but your engine was NOT new, 9k's was.

What is the cost of a brand new hand built version of your engine? Compare that.

Poking around the web for prices on a 2JZGTE, $4,000 seems to be the lowest that would compare to 9k's engine. Several others much higher.

So the prices are at best a wash.

Next argument?

Joker_andthe_thief

a fourm warrior if you will ::

RIWWP

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Actually, if you read what he said, he wasn't hating on swaps, or even commenting on love for the Renny. He was pointing out that the reason for the comments, which is that no one is actually completing any of the swaps they like to brag about. And when they talk about how cheap it will be one day, it doesn't help their case any.

Complete one and change the story.

200.mph

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if your talking to me you couldnt be more wrong

im not a die hard renny guy and i actually think the b rew is better but tree huggers killed that.

you guys keep missing the point of this thread but carry on and please update your easy/cheap swap build threads.