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No it wasn't.
If you want to compare apples to apples, you have to compared used to used. Sure, your engine will end up being cheaper, but your engine was NOT new, 9k's was.
What is the cost of a brand new hand built version of your engine? Compare that.
Poking around the web for prices on a 2JZGTE, $4,000 seems to be the lowest that would compare to 9k's engine. Several others much higher.
So the prices are at best a wash.
Next argument?
If you want to compare apples to apples, you have to compared used to used. Sure, your engine will end up being cheaper, but your engine was NOT new, 9k's was.
What is the cost of a brand new hand built version of your engine? Compare that.
Poking around the web for prices on a 2JZGTE, $4,000 seems to be the lowest that would compare to 9k's engine. Several others much higher.
So the prices are at best a wash.
Next argument?
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... you didn't actually include all new parts in that justification. Add the head, the block, the pistons, the cams, the valves, the valve springs, the rods, the crankshaft. 9k's comment was for all new parts. Every single one. Nothing left out.
"All new parts" in the Renny still doesn't compare to "some new parts" in the 1jzgte. If you are only counting the seals and gaskets, the Renny's seal kit is similar at ~$600.
Price out with every single part in the engine being new and then compare.
"All new parts" in the Renny still doesn't compare to "some new parts" in the 1jzgte. If you are only counting the seals and gaskets, the Renny's seal kit is similar at ~$600.
Price out with every single part in the engine being new and then compare.
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You haven't presented a coherent and logically sustainable argument yet. Present one and I might be able to agree with you.
If I'm "hating" on anything, it's the complete lack of a reasonable argument. When you present an argument that can be proven to be wrong, and then resort to those kinds of responses when it is... well, it just further undermines your case. If you want to convince anyone of anything, it helps to be convincing
If I'm "hating" on anything, it's the complete lack of a reasonable argument. When you present an argument that can be proven to be wrong, and then resort to those kinds of responses when it is... well, it just further undermines your case. If you want to convince anyone of anything, it helps to be convincing
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... you didn't actually include all new parts in that justification. Add the head, the block, the pistons, the cams, the valves, the valve springs, the rods, the crankshaft. 9k's comment was for all new parts. Every single one. Nothing left out.
"All new parts" in the Renny still doesn't compare to "some new parts" in the 1jzgte. If you are only counting the seals and gaskets, the Renny's seal kit is similar at ~$600.
Price out with every single part in the engine being new and then compare.
"All new parts" in the Renny still doesn't compare to "some new parts" in the 1jzgte. If you are only counting the seals and gaskets, the Renny's seal kit is similar at ~$600.
Price out with every single part in the engine being new and then compare.
all you need to rebuild a perfectly running piston motor are crank bearing, rod bearings head studs, piston rings, ground the valve seats with a valve tool, valve stem seals all the gaskets water pump and oil pump..
you can buy cmplete kits online between $500-$800
my ka24de was a complete rebuild incluting pistons for $400 and then i bolted on an sr20 gt28 kit got it tuned and it ran at 9psi all day for 2 ears then stupidly I sold it for $5700
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If you want to compare "all new parts" of one engine, then compare "all new parts" of the other engine.
If all you want to do is compare a "only the seals" of one engine, then compare "only the seals" of the other engine.
You can't support your argument of parts prices trying to compare all new parts of one engine to only some new parts of the other. Regardless of WHY.
If a Renny only needs new seals, it's ~$600 in parts.
If a 1jzgte only needs new seals, it's ~$600 in parts.
If a Renny needs every single part replaced, it's ~$4,000
If a 1jzgte needs every single part replaced, it's ~$4,000
See what i'm getting at?
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me starting to think your a fake car guy? a preppy accountant or banker who has little to no mechanical skill and just pays what ever the mechanic whats to charge because "it's done right" lol I do everything myself, by myself except for the machining of custom parts to wich i bust out my dial caliper and make drawing for my guy. i have been looking to obtain a vertical mill or a horizontal lathe but the cheapest i have available is from the 80's and it's $11,000 lol plus with the hoist in the garage I'm lacking room
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Well the only way you can buy a rotary is rebuilt bc no one eould buy a used one. On that note, 3900 would snag up a low mile LS3 which will better gas mileage and make WAY more power than even a 20B.
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lol why do you even post? horizontal was not necessary for the lathe no that's what i call it,,, but i did say vertical mill because there is also a horizontal mill,,, and id like to try not to get people confused which i guess you did :/ i'm pretty sure i got my point across
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Ok, find a reasonably sized horizontal mill thats less than 50 years old.
And there are vertical lathes but they are probably larger than you'd use for car parts
And there are vertical lathes but they are probably larger than you'd use for car parts
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If you want to start talking total project cost, then $3,900 and 6-8 hours of work gets you back on the road with seemless integration. You can not beat that with any swap.
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Agreed, I won't argue that, because it's true.
Give me an illogical argument and I'll oppose it regardless of the topic even if I agree with the intent or sentiment.
Give me a logical one, and I'll accept it regardless of the topic, even if I don't agree.
Give me an illogical argument and I'll oppose it regardless of the topic even if I agree with the intent or sentiment.
Give me a logical one, and I'll accept it regardless of the topic, even if I don't agree.
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counter your counter point,,,,, on a piston engine like my average cost $800 - $2500 with good compression YOU DONT NEED TO BUY EVERYTHING BRAND NEW !!!!!!!!!!!
IF BY SOME MAGICAL CHANCE JACK NICHOLSON POPS UP AND DRIVES AND AXE CLEAN THROUGH MY ENGINE BLOCK GUESS WHAT.......
I BUY A NEW ONE and I sourced an importer 25min away from me who has (2) 1jzgte second gens one $800 the other $1400 with tranny and (1) 1jzgte third gen vvti for $1100 no tranny,,,,,
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That doesn't magically make the price of an all-new-engine of one type comparable to the seals-only price of another engine. Which is what you were firing at 9k.
If you are trying to talk about the total price of all parts, a $1,500 Renesis gets you back on the road in 8 hours. Even your cheapest swap dreams can't compete with that parts price.
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Funny thing is even if you bought a 100K mile LS3 it will still outlast 2 or 3 13Bs. On a side note, i wonder why everyone is making such a huge deal about putting a different motor in a car. You would think rotary guys are the greatest mechanics in the world. Only a super wrench could own a rotary it seems. Either that or a very stupid person. Arent you guys speaking about "historically" or "in the past?" Well if you did you wouldnt have even bought the RX8 bc there are more bad than good reviews. Numbers dont lie and if you like the rotary then you must belong to one of those groups.
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We are making a big deal about people assuming that they can swap one in for cheaper than a Renesis replacement cutting dozens of corners and leaving problems unsolved to justify how 'cheap' the swap was, and then calling just a complete cluster 'reliable'.
THAT is what we have a problem with, because that is all people have been doing for YEARS. Some day someone might actually step up and do it cleanly, but it hasn't happened yet, and the hundreds of dreamers ignoring all of the advice does get on our nerves a bit.
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Funny thing is even if you bought a 100K mile LS3 it will still outlast 2 or 3 13Bs. On a side note, i wonder why everyone is making such a huge deal about putting a different motor in a car. You would think rotary guys are the greatest mechanics in the world. Only a super wrench could own a rotary it seems. Either that or a very stupid person. Arent you guys speaking about "historically" or "in the past?" Well if you did you wouldnt have even bought the RX8 bc there are more bad than good reviews. Numbers dont lie and if you like the rotary then you must belong to one of those groups.
I bought my Rx-8 knowing it would need a rebuild,,, stupidly I thought 3 seals and a couple of oversized o rings would have only been $300 -$500 but I was wrong once i saw $1800 -$2500 for parts alone,,, If the rebuild kit was only $300 to $500 I would have no problem ripped out the motor (one day) stripped it (one day) taken it apart ground the seals on my bench grinder replaces the oring seals and bolted everything back together all in all would have been back on the road in a week or less,,
but go big or go home am i right
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Aren't we in a Frankenstein thread? Seems odd that a lot of Renny guys are the ones talking ****. "Oooooohhhhh noooo you pulled the heart out of a perfect car!" Who the hell cares? If the rotary wasn't such a global catastrophic failure then then we would see them in other cars. Fact is, a higher percentage of rotary motors are failed when compared to the percentage of recip motors. Maybe you aren't just cut out for recip motors.
Facts huh? Show me your proof. The Rotary with as much R&D as pistons engines have had would surely be in a much better place. There are plenty of shitty piston engine examples. Statically who knows which has a higher percentage rate overall , no studies on that have ever been done that I am aware of.
Oh come on LS, can't you see it is better to replace the Renesis a few times or to sink 20k+ into the 8 ,or to take almost 4 years for a turbo install and sit in the garage just in case something else fails, the vehicle is still only worth 10k or so, Those that have the know how and talent to do a swap will , some will fail some will not. If the Brits didn't modify the P51 with the Merlin,as the Allison was a POS, it would not have been 1 of the oustanding Aircraft it is.
Yes, I should have bought a $3900.00 used LS and just slapped it in huh?
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You gonna eat that?
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He be smart.