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01-14-2015, 10:06 AM
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You gonna eat that?
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If torque is one of the greatest things in your life, I am the one who feels sorry for you.
01-14-2015, 10:10 AM
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Awd DSM........ Tick tick tick boom. Built a TSi myself. Decent platform but laggy and transmissions don't like to work. Not impressed.
i have a built awd turbo dsm at my house that would embarrass most ls powered cars. i do like the rotary for what it is but i also like piston cars too
01-14-2015, 10:13 AM
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the trans is built, as is the motor, turbo, and dsm link tuned. its a first gen so not worried about crank walk either but please get your cheap swap done and prove us rotards wrong
01-14-2015, 10:16 AM
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Can we all see what great projects you have under your belt besides being a professional 9K nutswinger? You're welcome to check out my thread. Rounding third base on the harness now. Only reason my swap is "cheap" is all the hustling I'm doing to get parts cheap/free. If I bought everything then the number would be much bigger. Wha the hell is an abortion swap? And to answer your question about emmissions, I live in a very strict county in texas which does emmissions. Since my motor has a stock cam and cats, I know it will pass no problem. Hell it would do better than your two stroke RX8 that can barely do half the speed of your handle. I bet with all the smoke you blow, you couldn't pass. Won't be any bribes or BJs around here unless your mother gets pulled over.
01-14-2015, 10:20 AM
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Torque is great for pulling trailers & tree stumps with my pickup.
It's about the only time I feel it's worth talking about.
It's about the only time I feel it's worth talking about.
01-14-2015, 10:26 AM
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yep my old f150 with a straight 6 and 5spd stick has tq and is a bulletproof drivetrain but if you really want tq you need a turbo diesel or an isuzu v6 which has the graphs to prove it
01-14-2015, 10:35 AM
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One interesting side note. It's possible for an engine or motor to make torque at 0 rpms.
01-14-2015, 10:38 AM
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01-14-2015, 10:41 AM
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NOPE
A steam train engine, for instance has a direct drive from pistons to wheels so when it
needs to get moving it can actually generate some ungodly number like 10000 ft-lbs of
torque at 0 rpms and thus by our formula HP = 1000 ft-lbs * 0 / 5252 = 0 hp. Cute eh?
Electric motors also can do this. That's why diesel train engines drive use electric motors
to turn the wheels, and a big nearly constant rpm engine to power the generator that
powers the motors.
A steam train engine, for instance has a direct drive from pistons to wheels so when it
needs to get moving it can actually generate some ungodly number like 10000 ft-lbs of
torque at 0 rpms and thus by our formula HP = 1000 ft-lbs * 0 / 5252 = 0 hp. Cute eh?
Electric motors also can do this. That's why diesel train engines drive use electric motors
to turn the wheels, and a big nearly constant rpm engine to power the generator that
powers the motors.
01-14-2015, 10:52 AM
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01-14-2015, 10:57 AM
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You gonna eat that?
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01-14-2015, 11:12 AM
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dammit sonic we already know from riwwp that logic is not allowed in this thread so stop acting smart
01-14-2015, 11:15 AM
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01-14-2015, 12:44 PM
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01-14-2015, 12:46 PM
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01-14-2015, 04:44 PM
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U think after ALL the years of development in the piston motor it could handle the punishment dealt out by a rotor driver. Goes to show/ rotaries can cop a flogging better than a piston.
01-14-2015, 06:22 PM
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That's pretty subjective. I beat the hell out of my junkyard 5.3 swaps. Spray, boost, 6800 rpm shifts, etc. I'm sure piston motors can take a beating better (more reliable) than a rotor. But that's difficult to prove.
01-15-2015, 11:51 AM
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You're right I guess I have no idea what you are trying to explain (sarcasm by the way). It sounds like you guys have the best position. You just sit back on your gay little rotard and wait for someone to prove you wrong. I'm not in it to prove anyone wrong. It can be done pretty easily. RX8s are owned mostly by kids and old men. Not a great demographic when looking for a engine swap candidate. I only bought this car bc I wanted another FD but wasn't gonna pay the stupid tax to get my hands on one. If the rotor is enough for you, then I'm very sorry to hear that. Some people arent lucky enough to experience the greater things in life. Like....... Torque and reliability.
Just... Wow.
Old men don't build cars? Do you really believe that? Anyway the Rx8 has been predominately owned by engineers (at least in the past). Profiling people is really the wrong way to go about the argument.
It depends on how you define "easy" but don't you think you would see them everywhere if the swap was really that easy? I mean come on, its a no brainer. Everyone is even telling you its a no brainer so I'm not sure why you don't believe us. We aren't here to convert you, we aren't here to bash LS Swaps, we are here to tell you the truth. THIS CAR IS EXPENSIVE. Period. And forget proving us wrong, why not just do the swap if it is so good? Why waste all this effort in trying to tell us we are wrong if there isn't proof to back that up?
The rotor is enough for me. Obviously you ignored the area under the power curve discussion, but I suppose the dead horse has been thoroughly beat at this point.
I haven't had a single reliability issue yet. Then again I talked to a woman who replaced 3 motors in 24k miles and said the car was the worst thing that she ever bought. Then again, she didn't understand anything about the car. She only changed the oil every 7k and never topped it off. Really, she wasn't qualified to drive the car. When people say its the worst thing ever this is the crowd I place them with.
01-15-2015, 11:59 AM
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Also: "Two-stroke engines often provide high power-to-weight ratio, usually in a narrow range of rotational speeds called the "power band". Compared to 4-stroke engines, they have a greatly reduced number of moving parts, are more compact and significantly lighter."
It's more of a compliment than an insult in some ways.
It's more of a compliment than an insult in some ways.
01-15-2015, 01:41 PM
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Let me add some more attributes for ya "...consume enormous amounts of oil, are notoriously unreliable, the power band they have is very narrow and usually very peaky, and require above average maintenance to keep alive."
Race cars? Sure that's a good application but street cars? only for the obsessive or stupid.
Race cars? Sure that's a good application but street cars? only for the obsessive or stupid.
01-15-2015, 01:45 PM
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Can you quantify this statement?
Most RX-8s inject 1 quart of oil over about 1,500 miles.
Toyota states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
GM states that 1 quart every 2,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
Honda states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
Ford states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
BMW states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is actually fairly good.
Porsche states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles within acceptable burn rates.
The RX-8 doesn't seem that unusual to me. Just other companies try to pretend like oil burning doesn't exist.
Most RX-8s inject 1 quart of oil over about 1,500 miles.
Toyota states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
GM states that 1 quart every 2,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
Honda states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
Ford states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
BMW states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is actually fairly good.
Porsche states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles within acceptable burn rates.
The RX-8 doesn't seem that unusual to me. Just other companies try to pretend like oil burning doesn't exist.