engine failed...=(... FML
09-25-2010 | 02:59 AM
#26
Registered
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 282
Likes: 0
From: Seattle, WA
A fully dressed LS1 is <100lbs heavier than a Renesis, FYI. Rotary engines are pretty massively heavy for their size due to all the iron, while LS engines have an aluminum block and push-rods which keeps them impressively light. If you don't have to move the steering rack (like RX-7's have to), then there should be little to no handling difference. You'll just get more HP and better gas mileage.
Also, +1 on grammar/spelling classes.
Also, +1 on grammar/spelling classes.
I don't know the accuracy of the data I found online, but what I found shows the 13B-MSP to be 247lbs with all standard attachments. I take standard attachments to mean both manifolds, alternator, and a few other items?
I'm seeing between 400-500 for LS1's or LS3's. This is not to mention that it's got 6 more header tubes 4 times as much exhaust header flange, bigger intake manifold (that's probably not made of plastic), etc. It's going to have higher and farther forward CG. LSX will also need a larger transmission which will add to the difficulty packaging and weight some more. More torque = wider heavier gears. (Another reason why revs for HP beats torque, many of you would be shocked at the width of the gears in a Formula 1 car. There goes my shameless plug for power over torque)
With all that said, I'm all for the LS swap. 20 mpg on regular, 200 more HP, POWER (not torque) all over the rev band. One of the most fun motors I have ever driven. I don't think there was one person that sat in the car with me that wouldn't just have a huge grin on their face after the 2nd gear pull in a Corvette. Oh did I mention it makes cool noises? The 90 degree V8 noise is worth it all on it's own.
09-25-2010 | 07:03 AM
#27
Thread Starter
2fast4u (ggavgg)
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
From: federal way, WA (seattle)
09-25-2010 | 01:30 PM
#28
Power!!
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,412
Likes: 3
From: Sunny See attle
09-25-2010 | 05:57 PM
#30
Thread Starter
2fast4u (ggavgg)
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
From: federal way, WA (seattle)
09-27-2010 | 01:38 PM
#31
Cone Abuser
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,010
Likes: 0
From: Redmond, WA
I know we had this discussion before, but I think who ever told me that information was just anti rotary.
I don't know the accuracy of the data I found online, but what I found shows the 13B-MSP to be 247lbs with all standard attachments. I take standard attachments to mean both manifolds, alternator, and a few other items?
I'm seeing between 400-500 for LS1's or LS3's. This is not to mention that it's got 6 more header tubes 4 times as much exhaust header flange, bigger intake manifold (that's probably not made of plastic), etc. It's going to have higher and farther forward CG. LSX will also need a larger transmission which will add to the difficulty packaging and weight some more. More torque = wider heavier gears. (Another reason why revs for HP beats torque, many of you would be shocked at the width of the gears in a Formula 1 car. There goes my shameless plug for power over torque)
With all that said, I'm all for the LS swap. 20 mpg on regular, 200 more HP, POWER (not torque) all over the rev band. One of the most fun motors I have ever driven. I don't think there was one person that sat in the car with me that wouldn't just have a huge grin on their face after the 2nd gear pull in a Corvette. Oh did I mention it makes cool noises? The 90 degree V8 noise is worth it all on it's own.
I don't know the accuracy of the data I found online, but what I found shows the 13B-MSP to be 247lbs with all standard attachments. I take standard attachments to mean both manifolds, alternator, and a few other items?
I'm seeing between 400-500 for LS1's or LS3's. This is not to mention that it's got 6 more header tubes 4 times as much exhaust header flange, bigger intake manifold (that's probably not made of plastic), etc. It's going to have higher and farther forward CG. LSX will also need a larger transmission which will add to the difficulty packaging and weight some more. More torque = wider heavier gears. (Another reason why revs for HP beats torque, many of you would be shocked at the width of the gears in a Formula 1 car. There goes my shameless plug for power over torque)
With all that said, I'm all for the LS swap. 20 mpg on regular, 200 more HP, POWER (not torque) all over the rev band. One of the most fun motors I have ever driven. I don't think there was one person that sat in the car with me that wouldn't just have a huge grin on their face after the 2nd gear pull in a Corvette. Oh did I mention it makes cool noises? The 90 degree V8 noise is worth it all on it's own.
But yah, if I bought an FD, I'd drive it until the engine pops (which it inevitably will) then LS swap.
10-24-2010 | 05:44 PM
#32
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Marysville, WA USA
First off sorry about your engine. That really sucks.
It's been a month and maybe you already have the car fixed or replaced. If not, read on.
If you have a place to work, etc. you can rebuild it yourself. If not, then salvage motors seem to run $1500 to $2500 depending on miles, condition and the seller.
But if you want it done RIGHT, not many folks with popped engines are as lucky as you -- close by not only to Atkins Rotary (Puyallup) but to Jerry's Little Car Shop (Kent).
Maybe you know this already but Jerry's been working on rotaries since the early 70's, including Mazda factory racers.
http://jerryslittlecarshop.com/history.htm
Atkins has been working on rotaries for about the same amount of time. Their website says they don't work on cars any more but they do quality rebuilt motors. Look what I found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...ts_Accessories
You might want Atkins to build a tougher motor since you have a turbo, but then again you can recoup a few bucks at least by using your old engine for a core. If it were me I'd spend the extra $$$ on porting and engine balancing, and whatever can be done to a RENESIS to make it more reliable.
Doing an LS swap will give you potentially WAY more power but you'll throw the car's balance off. It won't feel the same and it won't handle the same. If you're into big power numbers maybe that's a trade-off you're willing to make. But if you go with a converson kit like the one Hinson is developing, you'll be out just as much $$$ as if you got a rebuilt engine and worked through Jerry's.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.
Cheers,
Aaron
It's been a month and maybe you already have the car fixed or replaced. If not, read on.
If you have a place to work, etc. you can rebuild it yourself. If not, then salvage motors seem to run $1500 to $2500 depending on miles, condition and the seller.
But if you want it done RIGHT, not many folks with popped engines are as lucky as you -- close by not only to Atkins Rotary (Puyallup) but to Jerry's Little Car Shop (Kent).
Maybe you know this already but Jerry's been working on rotaries since the early 70's, including Mazda factory racers.
http://jerryslittlecarshop.com/history.htm
Atkins has been working on rotaries for about the same amount of time. Their website says they don't work on cars any more but they do quality rebuilt motors. Look what I found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...ts_Accessories
You might want Atkins to build a tougher motor since you have a turbo, but then again you can recoup a few bucks at least by using your old engine for a core. If it were me I'd spend the extra $$$ on porting and engine balancing, and whatever can be done to a RENESIS to make it more reliable.
Doing an LS swap will give you potentially WAY more power but you'll throw the car's balance off. It won't feel the same and it won't handle the same. If you're into big power numbers maybe that's a trade-off you're willing to make. But if you go with a converson kit like the one Hinson is developing, you'll be out just as much $$$ as if you got a rebuilt engine and worked through Jerry's.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.
Cheers,
Aaron
10-26-2010 | 04:02 AM
#33
Thread Starter
2fast4u (ggavgg)
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
From: federal way, WA (seattle)
First off sorry about your engine. That really sucks.
It's been a month and maybe you already have the car fixed or replaced. If not, read on.
If you have a place to work, etc. you can rebuild it yourself. If not, then salvage motors seem to run $1500 to $2500 depending on miles, condition and the seller.
But if you want it done RIGHT, not many folks with popped engines are as lucky as you -- close by not only to Atkins Rotary (Puyallup) but to Jerry's Little Car Shop (Kent).
Maybe you know this already but Jerry's been working on rotaries since the early 70's, including Mazda factory racers.
http://jerryslittlecarshop.com/history.htm
Atkins has been working on rotaries for about the same amount of time. Their website says they don't work on cars any more but they do quality rebuilt motors. Look what I found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...ts_Accessories
You might want Atkins to build a tougher motor since you have a turbo, but then again you can recoup a few bucks at least by using your old engine for a core. If it were me I'd spend the extra $$$ on porting and engine balancing, and whatever can be done to a RENESIS to make it more reliable.
Doing an LS swap will give you potentially WAY more power but you'll throw the car's balance off. It won't feel the same and it won't handle the same. If you're into big power numbers maybe that's a trade-off you're willing to make. But if you go with a converson kit like the one Hinson is developing, you'll be out just as much $$$ as if you got a rebuilt engine and worked through Jerry's.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.
Cheers,
Aaron
It's been a month and maybe you already have the car fixed or replaced. If not, read on.
If you have a place to work, etc. you can rebuild it yourself. If not, then salvage motors seem to run $1500 to $2500 depending on miles, condition and the seller.
But if you want it done RIGHT, not many folks with popped engines are as lucky as you -- close by not only to Atkins Rotary (Puyallup) but to Jerry's Little Car Shop (Kent).
Maybe you know this already but Jerry's been working on rotaries since the early 70's, including Mazda factory racers.
http://jerryslittlecarshop.com/history.htm
Atkins has been working on rotaries for about the same amount of time. Their website says they don't work on cars any more but they do quality rebuilt motors. Look what I found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...ts_Accessories
You might want Atkins to build a tougher motor since you have a turbo, but then again you can recoup a few bucks at least by using your old engine for a core. If it were me I'd spend the extra $$$ on porting and engine balancing, and whatever can be done to a RENESIS to make it more reliable.
Doing an LS swap will give you potentially WAY more power but you'll throw the car's balance off. It won't feel the same and it won't handle the same. If you're into big power numbers maybe that's a trade-off you're willing to make. But if you go with a converson kit like the one Hinson is developing, you'll be out just as much $$$ as if you got a rebuilt engine and worked through Jerry's.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.
Cheers,
Aaron
thats the plan i have for now ... with only 2300 bux to spend i dont have many options... 1800 for a 05 motor with 33k n 500 for the swap..... Atikins rotory has a rebuild kit which is 1150 bux leaving me with 1150 for the work... idk any one who would do the work for that much.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
MolecularConcept
New Member Forum
2
08-01-2015 04:15 PM
