Pettit Racing’s Forced Induction System
#101
Out of lurking, into the field of fire.
I gotta tell ya, this has got to be the most inane threads I've ever read in a forum such as this. I've been watching the Pettit SC development eagerly; I say bring it on, lets make this thing work. Maybe someone can enlighten me about Mazda Maniac's raison d'etre, because short of professing his love of young lesbianism (I, myself, am just a lesbian trapped in a man's body), pretty much all I see is a skill for pissing on a parade. If I'm wrong, somebody set me straight so I don't labor under that misconception for too long.
At any rate, I'm hungry for some real info on this system, and as soon as Pettit has a flash fix for the ECU, I'm in. Shinka, I love your car; do me a favor and shoot some video of a high speed drive-by so we can all hear those screws whine...
I gotta tell ya, this has got to be the most inane threads I've ever read in a forum such as this. I've been watching the Pettit SC development eagerly; I say bring it on, lets make this thing work. Maybe someone can enlighten me about Mazda Maniac's raison d'etre, because short of professing his love of young lesbianism (I, myself, am just a lesbian trapped in a man's body), pretty much all I see is a skill for pissing on a parade. If I'm wrong, somebody set me straight so I don't labor under that misconception for too long.
At any rate, I'm hungry for some real info on this system, and as soon as Pettit has a flash fix for the ECU, I'm in. Shinka, I love your car; do me a favor and shoot some video of a high speed drive-by so we can all hear those screws whine...
#102
comment on #6
Although I'm a woman and not so technically savvy as others on this board...
i like to keep it simple....
my TCS was disabled after the install but after I reinstalled the MAF I am back on-line...no problems..
i like to keep it simple....
my TCS was disabled after the install but after I reinstalled the MAF I am back on-line...no problems..
#103
#104
comment on #13
the original installs where tuned by Scott..
if Steve Kan = Cobb tuning??? he was not there for the first original batch of tunes...
I understand he tuned Moons (AT) car but not until the last weekend in June...so maps that would be available came from that tune...
I can check on that and get specifics...
give me a day or two..
if Steve Kan = Cobb tuning??? he was not there for the first original batch of tunes...
I understand he tuned Moons (AT) car but not until the last weekend in June...so maps that would be available came from that tune...
I can check on that and get specifics...
give me a day or two..
#105
Sounds right, seems weird that Cam had a different take on it. Any differential / driveshaft or axle issues with TCS that we don't know about? I cannot personally think of anything besides the MAF that the TCS needs, or any negative to leaving it on (beside throttle modulation).
Last edited by Kane; 07-29-2007 at 07:46 AM.
#106
Pettit totally dodges the question of why the air bleed is hooked up to the OMP nozzles. Do they realize that there is no forward flowing air to the JAB nozzles because of this arrangement? (Utilizing the pressure to normalize the bleed to the OMP nozzles is not optimal, either.)
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.
If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?
#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.
No answer for "#13", eh?
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.
If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?
#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.
No answer for "#13", eh?
You are right MM and in so many ways.
Nothing like genius men and their fast cars.
Your #1 Fan
#108
#110
I received a couple of questions regarding my intake modification.
Basically I took an old Ford Contour Air Filter Intake holder that I kept from my 98 Contour SVT (all Contour V-6 are the same) and made some modifications to it. I cut pieces of the air canister base and front of the air filter holder (sorry but I did not take pictures after the modification). The picture you see below of the Contour air filter holder is before the modifications. The picture you see below of the front view of the air filter intake is when I was making sure that everything fit right (not much room to play with). The pieces of white foam you see surrounding the opening are gone (were used for markup) and so the Fram air filter. I replaced the Fram air filter with a K&N air filter. There are many ways you can fabricate your own fresh air intake since is up the builders imagination and skills. I do not own an auto repair shop or a machine shop; therefore I did the best I could with what I got out of my car garage. Just like I did with my 1972 13B Bridge Port R100 after I purchased the car from a junkyard and on the road 14 months later.
Hope this help others, marsredr100.
Basically I took an old Ford Contour Air Filter Intake holder that I kept from my 98 Contour SVT (all Contour V-6 are the same) and made some modifications to it. I cut pieces of the air canister base and front of the air filter holder (sorry but I did not take pictures after the modification). The picture you see below of the Contour air filter holder is before the modifications. The picture you see below of the front view of the air filter intake is when I was making sure that everything fit right (not much room to play with). The pieces of white foam you see surrounding the opening are gone (were used for markup) and so the Fram air filter. I replaced the Fram air filter with a K&N air filter. There are many ways you can fabricate your own fresh air intake since is up the builders imagination and skills. I do not own an auto repair shop or a machine shop; therefore I did the best I could with what I got out of my car garage. Just like I did with my 1972 13B Bridge Port R100 after I purchased the car from a junkyard and on the road 14 months later.
Hope this help others, marsredr100.
marsredr100....................so you never had the Revi intake box? Just curious as I plan on making the SC work with the Revi box setup. I plan on finding another location(somehow) for the SC cooler bottle. Heard Bastage was over to take a look.......did you do the install or was it already done? How long did it take in total? I thought you had gone to Pettit for the install.....so did you just do some of the air intake?
Dave
Last edited by Mazurfer; 07-29-2007 at 09:08 AM.
#111
marsredr100....................so you never had the Revi intake box? Just curious as I plan on making the SC work with the Revi box setup. I plan on finding another location(somehow) for the SC cooler bottle. Heard Bastage was over helping with the install.......did you two guys do it alone? How long did it take in total? Did you two do the entire install? I thought you had gone to Pettit for the install.....so did you guys just do some of the air intake?
Dave
Dave
You can try placing the cooler before the radiator (see picture below) or in front of the battery box. I'm goint to try before the battery box location later on. Right now I just wanted to get the car on the road and will make changes as time goes by.
I did the installation and mods by myself and it took me a week. I only worked about three hours per day ( I'm too picky about minor details) since I do have a regular job, family, house and two turtles to feed.
Bastage was at my place yesterday to take a look at my set up and to compare performance. Bastage RX8 is bone stock except for the SC. His comment was "got to get me an alum flywheel and exedy stage1 clutch". I told him to get it, bring it home and we can do it in six hours. Well, maybe seven. Go to stop for a bit and eat the pizza he is buying.
#112
I still have my Revi intake and it will go on eBay today. I was thinking about re-using my Revi intake with the SC but there is no room to do it unless you have the time and tools. (20 years in the US Army taught me that nothing is impossible)
You can try placing the cooler before the radiator (see picture below) or in front of the battery box. I'm goint to try before the battery box location later on. Right now I just wanted to get the car on the road and will make changes as time goes by.
I did the installation and mods by myself and it took me a week. I only worked about three hours per day ( I'm too picky about minor details) since I do have a regular job, family, house and two turtles to feed.
Bastage was at my place yesterday to take a look at my set up and to compare performance. Bastage RX8 is bone stock except for the SC. His comment was "got to get me an alum flywheel and exedy stage1 clutch". I told him to get it, bring it home and we can do it in six hours. Well, maybe seven. Go to stop for a bit and eat the pizza he is buying.
You can try placing the cooler before the radiator (see picture below) or in front of the battery box. I'm goint to try before the battery box location later on. Right now I just wanted to get the car on the road and will make changes as time goes by.
I did the installation and mods by myself and it took me a week. I only worked about three hours per day ( I'm too picky about minor details) since I do have a regular job, family, house and two turtles to feed.
Bastage was at my place yesterday to take a look at my set up and to compare performance. Bastage RX8 is bone stock except for the SC. His comment was "got to get me an alum flywheel and exedy stage1 clutch". I told him to get it, bring it home and we can do it in six hours. Well, maybe seven. Go to stop for a bit and eat the pizza he is buying.
Have been thinking about putting it back where the windshield washer bottle is. Maybe either shrinking that one or turning the windshiled washer bottle sideways.
Sometime when you are out there, measure the dimensions of the SC cooler bottle for me. Although it would be tight, it seems as if you can move that bottle, the intake would fit with the tube that comes with the Revi(where the MAF is located).
#113
Have been thinking about putting it back where the windshield washer bottle is. Maybe either shrinking that one or turning the windshiled washer bottle sideways.
Sometime when you are out there, measure the dimensions of the SC cooler bottle for me. Although it would be tight, it seems as if you can move that bottle, the intake would fit with the tube that comes with the Revi(where the MAF is located).
Sometime when you are out there, measure the dimensions of the SC cooler bottle for me. Although it would be tight, it seems as if you can move that bottle, the intake would fit with the tube that comes with the Revi(where the MAF is located).
#114
A pic is worth a thousand words!
Dave
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#119
The **** was getting piled up again, so I figured I'd come and dig you out.
Its easier to deal with here than all the PMs from this thread, anyway.
#120
Or, I could bring my "equipment" over to your place! Where are you located?
#121
Pettit totally dodges the question of why the air bleed is hooked up to the OMP nozzles. Do they realize that there is no forward flowing air to the JAB nozzles because of this arrangement? (Utilizing the pressure to normalize the bleed to the OMP nozzles is not optimal, either.)
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.
If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?
#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.
No answer for "#13", eh?
They also did not address what "Protek" is and why it is better than Idemitsu. They just gave their sales pitch.
If the instructions were meant for "professionals", why are they shipping these instructions to amateurs/end-users?
#6 is complete bull. The TC doesn't care how fast you are accelerating! Are any of the turbo users (who have considerably more power at their disposal) have similar problems? Of course not. The TCS/DSC is acting up because the MAF isn't properly installed. That sort of ignorance is not acceptable from a company like Pettit.
No answer for "#13", eh?
BTW, Who are you to demand that PETTIT disclose anything to you? NO one! You will not be purchasing a kit, will you?
-Cam did not dodge the question. He gave a forward answer. Stop misrepresenting. If you feel it posses a new question then kindly ask it! Not that hard, but you'd rather undermined!
-ProTek, God knows I could be wrong, but I never saw any claim that it was better than Idemitsu's Synthetic Blend. Not speaking for Cam, but once again... What makes you think that Pettit must disclose their secret ingredients? Have you barked the same ARROGANT question of Idemitsu? Once again, this is a smoke and mirror tactic to discredit Pettit. Completely unfounded and biased.
-Phill basically threatened to slit his wrist if he was not the 1st Blower shipped. Joking, but he really wanted to be the 1st guy with it. I guess by your posture, Pettit should completely pull the kit off the market until the install PDF is correct? Or they should ONLY ship it to professional shops? What is your point in this argument. Do you want Pettit to say that the instructions may be a bit difficult for the novice? Pettit is standing by the product and takes phone calls and resolves any overlooked, omitted or otherwise issues and publicly announces and agrees to retro ship anything that coulda/woulda/shoulda been with the 1st release. Greedy didn't do that now did they?
-I disagree with your TC claim. So much so, if I did not know you owned an 8, I'd think you were just a troll against 8's.
Anyone with a stock 8 or otherwise. Leave the TC on and do a 4K Clutch drop to spin the wheels. Wow... the car loses throttle and you look like a fool going nowhere quick. Now disable the TC and do the same... Neato you just left about 20-50 bucks worth of rubber on the road.
I may be missing something here, but Cam's explanation makes all the sense to an Ignorant and simple minded fella like me.
-Ah and good ol' question #13,
Pat has offered an answer, but not good enough for ya. I take it that you are upset with the tune, that maybe you spoke with Scott and he shared some info with you? The goal is to Flash the EMU and be done with the Aftermarket ECU's. I guess you are fishing for something to once again discredit Pettit? Most that are going to get the S/C either way are holding out for the Flash breakthrough, so the tune or masters behind the tune does not really matter. I does not say that Cam will not discuss this but I posted what he sent back to me.
Jeff, I do not think I am better than you or anyone else. I really wish to keep this civil, and ask once again that you keep it civil. I apologize before hand for my stern posture, but I will not cowardly stand down to you chirping these misrepresentations and your quite childish foot-stomping because you did not get the answers you want.
NOTE: I am not speaking on behalf of PETTIT in the above comments. My comments are in no way authorized or sanctioned by Pettit. I stand on my own and am solely responsible for my comments. Please do not let my comments alter your decisions in anyway. Also, please try to reframe from adding fuel to these comments if at all possible. I know I am asking alot.
#124
There must either be some massive lack of reading comprehension going on or you are just being incredibly defensive.
I will try again.
From where could you possibly construe this? Have you ever seen ANY of my posts about the shortcomings of every other product I have come in contact with?
If I had a bias against Pettit, why would I bother even posting here?
My questions have absolutely nothing to do with profit, ego or bias. I just want to see some straight shooting and responsibility on the part of manufacturers. Don't you want the truth from these people rather than marketing hype? I want to see this product succeed. It can't possibly do that if it requires so much intervention. I have nothing to gain either way, other than the satisfaction that I helped someone somewhere get what they paid for.
Have you ever seen a Jackson Racing setup? That is how the Pettit setup should be. Complete, functional and user-friendly.
I couldn't give a flying f*ck about my credibility with you.
People will read what I say and take it with the same grain of salt that they need to read the marketing hype from Pettit, MazdaSport, AxialFlow, GReddy or anybody else. To just sit there and assail my perceived "credibility" rather than my points made is disingenuous and shows a lack of credibility on your end.
Demand? I asked a question, it didn't get answered, but deflected. If it wasn't going to be answered, a simple "no comment" or "we do not compare the two products" would have be sufficient.
I asked about the viability of attaching the air bleeds to the OMP bleed. Did you see an answer in any of that? If so, please feel free to rephrase it so that my feeble mind can understand.
My question stands - Why do the minds at Pettit see the idea of cutting off the flow of air to the JAB nozzles as a good idea?
Who said they claimed it? I ASKED how they were different. That was an actual question (that did not get answered).
Yes. I have had several exchanges with them. They were quite straightforward.
Yes.
Yes, at a minimum. They sould, at this point, also include a disclaimer that the kit will require some fabrication and adjustment and will not be legal for use on the street.
Of course they do. I am not assailing their willingness to be proactive upon complaint. They have taken every one of Ray's suggestions (or mine for that matter) and either incorporated them in the kit or made some sort of adjustment.
Yes, GReddy did. If you were an authorized dealer, or clever enough to know who to contact, you could get some amazing product support from them. That said, their product was not ready from prime time either, but at least it shipped complete. If you think I'm being hard on Pettit, maybe you should go back and read some of the things I said about GReddy!
Why would I be "upset" with the tune? I'm just curious because it was wrong and I'd like to know why.
Is that really how you characterize my response? Are you really that sensitive?
I find it interesting that people that read my responses see "anger", "bias" or anything like ranting or foot-stomping in them. (English was not my first language, but I don't believe that has anything to do with it.) I am passionate about what I do. I am involved in what I see as opportunity for improvement in our cars and the products that are available for them.
I'd hope that anyone that reads this stuff would feel the same.
I'd hope that anyone that considers this or any other product of this magnitude would have the common sense and practical interest to read everything that is said and get to the bottom of it all.
I'd hope that anyone that reads this post can see the difference between my genuine interest in the outcome and Vice^Grip's interest in the product.
I'd think that the difference in my involvement and comment and that of someone like Ike, for instance would be obvious.
If all of this is not to someone's liking, you can kiss my ***. How is that for insulting? Does that give you enough ammo to "discredit" my entire "rant"?
Nah. Its "marsredr100". Its his IP, anyway. Not sure what he is up to. His other posts seem so sensible.
I will try again.
If I had a bias against Pettit, why would I bother even posting here?
My questions have absolutely nothing to do with profit, ego or bias. I just want to see some straight shooting and responsibility on the part of manufacturers. Don't you want the truth from these people rather than marketing hype? I want to see this product succeed. It can't possibly do that if it requires so much intervention. I have nothing to gain either way, other than the satisfaction that I helped someone somewhere get what they paid for.
Have you ever seen a Jackson Racing setup? That is how the Pettit setup should be. Complete, functional and user-friendly.
People will read what I say and take it with the same grain of salt that they need to read the marketing hype from Pettit, MazdaSport, AxialFlow, GReddy or anybody else. To just sit there and assail my perceived "credibility" rather than my points made is disingenuous and shows a lack of credibility on your end.
My question stands - Why do the minds at Pettit see the idea of cutting off the flow of air to the JAB nozzles as a good idea?
Yes. I have had several exchanges with them. They were quite straightforward.
Yes, GReddy did. If you were an authorized dealer, or clever enough to know who to contact, you could get some amazing product support from them. That said, their product was not ready from prime time either, but at least it shipped complete. If you think I'm being hard on Pettit, maybe you should go back and read some of the things I said about GReddy!
-Ah and good ol' question #13,
Pat has offered an answer, but not good enough for ya. I take it that you are upset with the tune, that maybe you spoke with Scott and he shared some info with you? The goal is to Flash the EMU and be done with the Aftermarket ECU's. I guess you are fishing for something to once again discredit Pettit? Most that are going to get the S/C either way are holding out for the Flash breakthrough, so the tune or masters behind the tune does not really matter. I does not say that Cam will not discuss this but I posted what he sent back to me.
Pat has offered an answer, but not good enough for ya. I take it that you are upset with the tune, that maybe you spoke with Scott and he shared some info with you? The goal is to Flash the EMU and be done with the Aftermarket ECU's. I guess you are fishing for something to once again discredit Pettit? Most that are going to get the S/C either way are holding out for the Flash breakthrough, so the tune or masters behind the tune does not really matter. I does not say that Cam will not discuss this but I posted what he sent back to me.
Jeff, I do not think I am better than you or anyone else. I really wish to keep this civil, and ask once again that you keep it civil. I apologize before hand for my stern posture, but I will not cowardly stand down to you chirping these misrepresentations and your quite childish foot-stomping because you did not get the answers you want.
I find it interesting that people that read my responses see "anger", "bias" or anything like ranting or foot-stomping in them. (English was not my first language, but I don't believe that has anything to do with it.) I am passionate about what I do. I am involved in what I see as opportunity for improvement in our cars and the products that are available for them.
I'd hope that anyone that reads this stuff would feel the same.
I'd hope that anyone that considers this or any other product of this magnitude would have the common sense and practical interest to read everything that is said and get to the bottom of it all.
I'd hope that anyone that reads this post can see the difference between my genuine interest in the outcome and Vice^Grip's interest in the product.
I'd think that the difference in my involvement and comment and that of someone like Ike, for instance would be obvious.
If all of this is not to someone's liking, you can kiss my ***. How is that for insulting? Does that give you enough ammo to "discredit" my entire "rant"?
Nah. Its "marsredr100". Its his IP, anyway. Not sure what he is up to. His other posts seem so sensible.
Last edited by MazdaManiac; 07-29-2007 at 04:18 PM.
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