mdw1000

Since there has been some discussion of reflashing, just wondering if you plan to offer reflashing for NA, or just your SC? Specifically the 4-port 4AT? You guys seem to be one of the few that go out of your way to support us, and we appreciate it!

Not sure if I'm going FI yet or not, but I'd definitely be interested in NA reflashing tools.

Phil's 8

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Hay mdw: The Pettit crew rarely reads this forum and if you waiting for an answer you will grow old. I have talked to Cam several times and while plans change his last answer to me was:
1. No plans on N/A flash
2. First up will be the MT flash for the s/c.
3. Quick to follow will be the AT flash for the s/c.
4. No plans on flash for other forms of FI
5. No tools - all flashes to be done in-house by driving there or sending in your ECU.

Now of course plans change and if you want a definitive answer you need to email Pettit at "sales@pettitracing.com or call him at 561-296-0776.

mdw1000

Thanks for the reply, Phil! You gave me the answer I was expecting.

Oh well, hopefully somebody else will come out with a reflashing tool for us NA 4AT guys in the near future. But I'm not holding my breath. Par for the course for the bastard stepchildren.

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I get the feeling that your expecting something that you will not get for n/a cars. Any increase in HP will me minimal and based upon what you already bolted on.

mdw1000

Not expecting huge gains. Just hoping for some sort of gain.

shinka213

not sure if this has any bearing in this situation, but RB has a flash out already...
would that be something you might be interested in?

but as Phil said, and i agree...minimal gains will be had...
i think i read somewhere on this board, that you might gain 10whp with the x in a NA engine..thats a lot of money to spend for 10whp...

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RB flash is very expensive for the gains, while in line with other HP per $, they have the chance of being negated by the dealer during routine maintenance and a similar high reflash cost. HP returns are different with each tell.

With limited conversations with Cobb, your gain should be in the neighborhood of 5-10 hp (with his flash) but will cause any existing bolt-ons to reach their full potential. His flash will be less money with reflash costs minimal (or so the plan is). The plan is to release the n/a flash for the MT in the first quarter of the new year with the AT to follow shortly thereafter.

Now the X is a little different. I gained 20hp with the X when I was n/a but others report lower gains.

shinka213

^
yup...
what he said...

mdw1000

RB doesn't support ATs. But thanks for thinkin of me!

I guess what I'm hoping for is a tool that will allow me to do either a flash or tuning (by a pro) for both NA and FI. That way I can go ahead and get it and get some benefit out of it while NA, but still have the option to go FI when I feel comfortable spending the cash.

mysql101

The interesting thing is that the Pettit reflash costs $1,199. So if he's willing to blow that much on a reflash, the int-x is a bargain.

shinka213

personally...i wouldnt spend the any kind of money for a flash just to get very little gain..

just doesnt make any sense to me IMO

its like buying a bunch of bolt-ons expressly for the point of major hp gains...
when they just arent there

mysql101

yeah... but FI isn't a valid option for some. They might not be legal in their state or they like staying NA. Cobb is the holy grail in this arena, if it ever comes out.

mdw1000

Not necessarily willing to spend 1100 for 10 hp. Just investigating what some of the potential options might be.

FI might be in my future, or maybe not. Not sure at this point. That's why I'd like something like what the Cobb tool sounds like it is going to be - able to be used for both. When I originally posted this, I didn't know that you'd have to send the ECU in to Pettit to be flashed. Was hoping for either PC software to hook up or a tool to plug into the car to flash/tune. I'm really hoping to avoid a piggyback - we have emmissions inspections here, so I'd like to avoid the hassles associated with a piggyback.

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Not sure where you got that price - Pettit flash is not to gain HP but to offer a smooth operation of the super charger and not available for the n/a. The Cobb flash for the n/a will be for a little more hp but should not cost as much

I don't ofter agree with MySQL101 but he is correct, if you are worried about air pollution then you need to wait for Cobb. What makes you think that the tuner set up from Cobb will not cost over $1000?? Don't get in any hurry for it - the soonest sounds like very late next year (maybe). Presently (notice the word presently) you will not gain enough hp for a n/a engine to make it worth while.

mysql101

cobb's reflasher costs $695.00 btw

I couldn't find a price on software, but I seem to recall they charged around $300 for the software that lets you modify your own maps... of course, that was for the old version of the cobb tuner... the new one has a display, so they might all come with that capability now.

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Your correct, it adds up quickly for all that I would need. The new one does have a display. The complete tuner package (as told to me) is $1100.00. Keep in mind that it's still almost a year away.

shinka213

but how much whp will you get from the cobb flash??

mdw1000

Phil,

Got the 1100 price for the Pettit reflash from mysql's post earlier in this thread.

One thing you have all forgotten - I have a lip spoiler. The optimization of a reflash with a lip spoiler adds like 500 whp. Throw in an extra 100 whp or so because I have an ipod connector.

r0tor

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the bagheaded persons car seems to disagree with that statement ....

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I am only saying what I was told to me by the developer, Trey. There will be minimial hp improvment with the flash for the n/a.

rotary crazy

do a search in the asian forum for RE amemiya reflash, they do have it for NA AT, but I dont know if they flash US spec

munche187

HHmmm I wonder
good luck with it

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You know I must have answered this 100 times - Will not work - they will not flash a US cars and if they did it would not work (different programs). Now if you want to import the whole right hand drive car with no pollution controls then it would be another matter.

I keep telling everyone that the hp will not be significant but what I did not say was the limits will disappear or be raised to the end of the power curve. While you will not gain any hp, you will gain performance. No one asked the question so I did not address it.

Good to hear others are looking into the flash - there needs to be diversity. Go for it bud.

munche187

phil I would love to see your avatar flash (*****)

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You sir sound like a good judge of well endowed women and premium equipped fine cars