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I agree. Even though my personal preference is obvious, I am really happy to see some of the variety and inovation coming out lately. The rotary is a new thing for me that I am enjoying, but I know that down the line there will be other things that catch my eye, and the stuff out now is pretty damn compelling too!
I mean, With cars out now such as SRT-4, EVO and WRX we are seeing some amazing cars that would never have hit market a few years ago. Just think of some of the things to come!
I mean, With cars out now such as SRT-4, EVO and WRX we are seeing some amazing cars that would never have hit market a few years ago. Just think of some of the things to come!
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Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
Either way, we should all be excited for car makers of Japan on bringing back affordable sports cars to rival those of Europes and the US.
Either way, we should all be excited for car makers of Japan on bringing back affordable sports cars to rival those of Europes and the US.
It's a darned shame that car makers of the US can't compete, time after time again. Every time they come up with a winner, they gotta price it outta reach. Viper. Vette. Stang comes close, but misses. A darned shame. How can they compete with the UAW providing wages that strangle any viable attempt at being fiscally competent & other crap that goes on in the upper ranks, exhorbident concessions made unwisely that have a snowball's chance in hell of being rescinded to regain some sense of sanity. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Nice presentation of evidence, but these RX-8 people are 95% anti-350z for some reason. Ain't nothing going to change any of their minds and or give into to any evidence even if you put the designer of the Z on the lie detectior and ask him if the Audi TT influenced his design and he said NO they would still not change their mind. And you could have pictures of every angle comparing the old Z's with the new and have mathamatical evidence from the designers and it woudl still not matter. Even the center gauge cluster in the 350z (Volt meter, Oil pressure etc) are styling que's taken directly from the origional Z.
Also wether it looks like an old Z or not, its still a Z!!! No matter what you think, my car is called a 350z, has Z's all over it and on my window sticker.. Its a Z and we don't need any RX8's fan approval to make it official
Also wether it looks like an old Z or not, its still a Z!!! No matter what you think, my car is called a 350z, has Z's all over it and on my window sticker.. Its a Z and we don't need any RX8's fan approval to make it official
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
Did you not see the side profile I posted? The things you mentioned can easily be applied to that of the new Z car.
If that isnt clear enough, then I dont know what is. Sure the new Z is much bulkier looking than the Z cars of old. But the things you describe as "classic" characteristics of past Z cars are visible in the current form.
Im not going to pick any more bones with you as you are entitled to your own opinion. But, quick generalizations such as your opinion of
can have as much substance as me saying that Z fans are applauding Nissan for bringing back a car that symbolizes what the first Z car had done during its time...a well performing sports car for not much money.
Either way, we should all be excited for car makers of Japan on bringing back affordable sports cars to rival those of Europes and the US.
As far as the G35 coupe, all that I would say it does look better...in pictures as compared to the 350z. But in the real world when side by side, I prefer the look of the 350Z with its more "sporty" look. But thats just my opinion.
Did you not see the side profile I posted? The things you mentioned can easily be applied to that of the new Z car.
![](http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0803/CarEnthusiast/3c3d94cb.jpg)
If that isnt clear enough, then I dont know what is. Sure the new Z is much bulkier looking than the Z cars of old. But the things you describe as "classic" characteristics of past Z cars are visible in the current form.
Im not going to pick any more bones with you as you are entitled to your own opinion. But, quick generalizations such as your opinion of
can have as much substance as me saying that Z fans are applauding Nissan for bringing back a car that symbolizes what the first Z car had done during its time...a well performing sports car for not much money.
Either way, we should all be excited for car makers of Japan on bringing back affordable sports cars to rival those of Europes and the US.
As far as the G35 coupe, all that I would say it does look better...in pictures as compared to the 350z. But in the real world when side by side, I prefer the look of the 350Z with its more "sporty" look. But thats just my opinion.
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Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
Did you not see the side profile I posted? The things you mentioned can easily be applied to that of the new Z car.
If that isnt clear enough, then I dont know what is. Sure the new Z is much bulkier looking than the Z cars of old. But the things you describe as "classic" characteristics of past Z cars are visible in the current form.
Did you not see the side profile I posted? The things you mentioned can easily be applied to that of the new Z car.
![](http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0803/CarEnthusiast/3c3d94cb.jpg)
If that isnt clear enough, then I dont know what is. Sure the new Z is much bulkier looking than the Z cars of old. But the things you describe as "classic" characteristics of past Z cars are visible in the current form.
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
Im not going to pick any more bones with you as you are entitled to your own opinion. But, quick generalizations such as your opinion of can have as much substance as me saying that Z fans are applauding Nissan for bringing back a car that symbolizes what the first Z car had done during its time...a well performing sports car for not much money.
Im not going to pick any more bones with you as you are entitled to your own opinion. But, quick generalizations such as your opinion of can have as much substance as me saying that Z fans are applauding Nissan for bringing back a car that symbolizes what the first Z car had done during its time...a well performing sports car for not much money.
Some Z fans are applauding that Nissan brought back the Z, but there are some Z fans that probably doesn't care for the look and would like to have seen a more "classic" look. The same goes for us here. There are some rotary fans that are applauding Mazda for bringing back the rotary, but there are some rotary fans, that say the RX-8 is not an RX-7. And rightfully so, they are expecting a RX-7. But there lies the difference. The RX-8 is nota RX-7. It was never meant to be a replacement. The 350Z is a replacement for the Z, but to most people it does not look like a Z of old. They should have labeled it something else, IMO.
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
Either way, we should all be excited for car makers of Japan on bringing back affordable sports cars to rival those of Europes and the US.
Either way, we should all be excited for car makers of Japan on bringing back affordable sports cars to rival those of Europes and the US.
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
As far as the G35 coupe, all that I would say it does look better...in pictures as compared to the 350z. But in the real world when side by side, I prefer the look of the 350Z with its more "sporty" look. But thats just my opinion.
As far as the G35 coupe, all that I would say it does look better...in pictures as compared to the 350z. But in the real world when side by side, I prefer the look of the 350Z with its more "sporty" look. But thats just my opinion.
As for me, before the RX-8, I was going to get the G35 coupe. Since the RX-8 had the coupe style (vs 4-dr sedan) and even a sportier look, the RX-8 was the better car for me.
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Originally posted by m477
Except you're forgetting the fact that the 350z designer OWNS a TT and always talks about how much he LOVES it.
Except you're forgetting the fact that the 350z designer OWNS a TT and always talks about how much he LOVES it.
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Heck, if I was to design a car, it would have an Italian design flair to it, yet be more reliable; be high reving, reliable engine; be a great handler; get me to 60 in the low 6 secs; have reasonable gas mileage; have a sporty interior; be ideal for 2 but have the occasion +2 for short trips. Wonder what it would look like? Damn, I already know. I already own it - an RX-8. :D
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Originally posted by Racer X-8
Agreed again! I was looking reeeeeel hard at the G35C (manual, of course) before I gave it up for the 8. I have a G20T and, although it's quite lame, it is an Infiniti. The G35C really caught my attention when one passed me in rush hour traffic & it took all my MX-6 had to keep up, and I could only do that by catching up when he/she was trapped behind slow traffic. When traffic broke, "bye bye". Really was impresssive, but I wonder how that would replay now with me in my 8?
Agreed again! I was looking reeeeeel hard at the G35C (manual, of course) before I gave it up for the 8. I have a G20T and, although it's quite lame, it is an Infiniti. The G35C really caught my attention when one passed me in rush hour traffic & it took all my MX-6 had to keep up, and I could only do that by catching up when he/she was trapped behind slow traffic. When traffic broke, "bye bye". Really was impresssive, but I wonder how that would replay now with me in my 8?
Now if I am in the market for a sports sedan down the road, since I have my coupe, I would give the G35 sedan a serious look. I think if Infiniti put another 1-2 thousand into the interior, they would have an outstanding automobile that would match or exceed the BMW 3-series in every category, except snobbiness.
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#133
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Originally posted by TJRX8
I have also contemplated this but am not sure how good they will match. The splash guards don't taper to the same shape as the rear pieces of the app pkg. Need to see them in person first.
Mark,
If you get them I'll have to check them out when you get back to town.
I have also contemplated this but am not sure how good they will match. The splash guards don't taper to the same shape as the rear pieces of the app pkg. Need to see them in person first.
Mark,
If you get them I'll have to check them out when you get back to town.
I'm not quite sure how it would look (3-D) either. I've seen pictures, but I too would have to see it in person, before I would take that financial plunge.
#134
Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
The RX-8 is nota RX-7. It was never meant to be a replacement. The 350Z is a replacement for the Z, but to most people it does not look like a Z of old. They should have labeled it something else, IMO.
The RX-8 is nota RX-7. It was never meant to be a replacement. The 350Z is a replacement for the Z, but to most people it does not look like a Z of old. They should have labeled it something else, IMO.
If your thinking of the 350Z as not worthy of being labeled a Z car, then by your definition the RX-8 should not have the same insignia of the RX-7. Then the 8 should be labeled in another form.
Correct me if im wrong as I dont know much of the RX history.
As far as design, cars of new will undoubtedly look different from their predecessors. But subtle design cues can be found. Concerning the 350Z, whether the design resembles past Z cars or not, the basic premise is still the same.
The 350Z brings back an affordable sports car just as the 240 did in its time, whether some view the design of the 350Z as not living up to its predecessors.
As far as the designer owning a TT, please point me to where that can be found. I would be interested in that reading.
And if the 350Z is inspired from the design of the TT as some of you view it, people can just as quickly regard the RX-8 as inspired by the Saturn by its doors.
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#135
Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by Racer X-8
Not.
It's a darned shame that car makers of the US can't compete, time after time again. Every time they come up with a winner, they gotta price it outta reach. Viper. Vette. Stang comes close, but misses. A darned shame. How can they compete with the UAW providing wages that strangle any viable attempt at being fiscally competent & other crap that goes on in the upper ranks, exhorbident concessions made unwisely that have a snowball's chance in hell of being rescinded to regain some sense of sanity. But that's just my opinion.
Not.
It's a darned shame that car makers of the US can't compete, time after time again. Every time they come up with a winner, they gotta price it outta reach. Viper. Vette. Stang comes close, but misses. A darned shame. How can they compete with the UAW providing wages that strangle any viable attempt at being fiscally competent & other crap that goes on in the upper ranks, exhorbident concessions made unwisely that have a snowball's chance in hell of being rescinded to regain some sense of sanity. But that's just my opinion.
Sure, for less than 30k you get that 1/4 mile straight-a-way high HP & torque speedster, that has crappy handling, less than steller looks. I think it all goes back to that late 60's early 70's muscle car mentality. All that was important was straight-a-way speed. Hell, I owned a 69 Camaro 327, 72 Nova SS 350, 76 El Camino SS 350, and I fell into that mentality for the longest time. Until I drove, my cheap-***, low HP & low torque Fiat X-19, I didn't know what great handling was. I swore if I ever would get another sports car, then it would have to be a great handler. I'm glad the RX-8 came along, and I had the opportunity of owning it.
If price was a factor in US not being able to provide a great looking, great handling, great performance sports car (which I think is not totally true), then they need to solve that problem. I respect your opinion, and I have similar views. Not to offend any of you labor union supporters, but, IMO, the unions need to go with their high employee wages. I don't know whether the US car makers need to start paying lower assembly line wages, hiring imigrant, or taking their manufacturing south across the border, but something needs to be done. I think it's ludricous to have the union workers bitch about their wages and hours, yet expect to be paid for what I feel is substandard workmanship (as compared to Japanese & European). Especially when you have thousands upon thousands of workers unemployed & homeless, that would give anything to have a job to put food on the table and to afford a roof over their head.
Sorry, for my social and economic rant. Time to get off my soapbox.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
And if the 350Z is inspired from the design of the TT as some of you view it, people can just as quickly regard the RX-8 as inspired by the Saturn by its doors.
And if the 350Z is inspired from the design of the TT as some of you view it, people can just as quickly regard the RX-8 as inspired by the Saturn by its doors.
As far as all the criticism for the 350Z design goes - sure, whatever you say~
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
So wait, let me get this straight. A mazda car that bears the label of "RX" is not in any way correlated to any "RX" cars of past? Even with the engine being a rotary in it of itself?
If your thinking of the 350Z as not worthy of being labeled a Z car, then by your definition the RX-8 should not have the same insignia of the RX-7. Then the 8 should be labeled in another form.
Correct me if im wrong as I dont know much of the RX history.
As far as design, cars of new will undoubtedly look different from their predecessors. But subtle design cues can be found. Concerning the 350Z, whether the design resembles past Z cars or not, the basic premise is still the same.
The 350Z brings back an affordable sports car just as the 240 did in its time, whether some view the design of the 350Z as not living up to its predecessors.
As far as the designer owning a TT, please point me to where that can be found. I would be interested in that reading.
And if the 350Z is inspired from the design of the TT as some of you view it, people can just as quickly regard the RX-8 as inspired by the Saturn by its doors.
So wait, let me get this straight. A mazda car that bears the label of "RX" is not in any way correlated to any "RX" cars of past? Even with the engine being a rotary in it of itself?
If your thinking of the 350Z as not worthy of being labeled a Z car, then by your definition the RX-8 should not have the same insignia of the RX-7. Then the 8 should be labeled in another form.
Correct me if im wrong as I dont know much of the RX history.
As far as design, cars of new will undoubtedly look different from their predecessors. But subtle design cues can be found. Concerning the 350Z, whether the design resembles past Z cars or not, the basic premise is still the same.
The 350Z brings back an affordable sports car just as the 240 did in its time, whether some view the design of the 350Z as not living up to its predecessors.
As far as the designer owning a TT, please point me to where that can be found. I would be interested in that reading.
And if the 350Z is inspired from the design of the TT as some of you view it, people can just as quickly regard the RX-8 as inspired by the Saturn by its doors.
So what makes the Z, a Z, except for name only? Doesn't look like the 240, 260, 280 or even the 300. Explain to me please why Nissan choose to call this a Z, except for the fact they needed a 2 seater sports car, and decided to call it a Z, even though it doesn't look like any previous Z. Hey we needed a name for our 2-seater, and since the other Z's were 2-seaters, we'll call this a Z. Doesn't matter if it looks like a Audi TT, we'll call it a Z. Basic premise - a high performance 2-seater is all it is. But, I guess that's OK, if they want to call it a Z. Don't get me wrong. I'm not flaming the car. It's a great car with great performance.
As far as designer owning a TT, I can't answer that since I didn't say that. You're argueing that point with the wrong person.
Yes IMO, I believe the 350Z is inspired by the Audi TT design, but you're wrong about the Mazda RX-8 and Saturn. The concept designs for the RX-8 (RX-Evolv) had the suicide doors before the Saturn. If their was any inspiritation, it wasn't from Saturn (GM) which copied Mazda on this one. Get your facts straight.
Last edited by RX-8 Zoomster; 08-18-2003 at 12:32 AM.
#138
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
So now your insulting me with...
when im just trying to get involved in a discussion. So touchy arent we. I hope this trend does not continue as I do not want a flame war.
As far as...
didnt I mention that in my previous post?
I did not say that the RX-8 is a complete replacement of the RX-7. But for the RX-8 to have the RX name and rotary engine, should'n there be a relation to RX cars of past?
My point in this that you feel that the 350Z should not resemble the Z insignia then the RX-8 should not also since its not intended to replace the RX-7.
When in fact the 350Z has as much worthiness of holding the Z name not for its design (though it can be argued for/against) but for what it has brought. That is my main point.
The 240z was not brought in as a design benchmark. But what it brought was affordable performance sports car to which the 350Z is now doing again. Thus making the 350 a Z car.
As far as to which came first between Mazda and Saturn for the doors, all I know is that Saturn was the first to come out with it in production form and would guess that the majority of people would also think that way.
All I am doing is providing a counter argument and prefer not to have this turn into an insult/flame war.
Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
I guess you have trouble with interpretation and comprehension.
I guess you have trouble with interpretation and comprehension.
As far as...
Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
Correlation of RX is to rotary. It's not a replacement for the RX-7.
Correlation of RX is to rotary. It's not a replacement for the RX-7.
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
A mazda car that bears the label of "RX" is not in any way correlated to any "RX" cars of past? Even with the engine being a rotary in it of itself?
A mazda car that bears the label of "RX" is not in any way correlated to any "RX" cars of past? Even with the engine being a rotary in it of itself?
My point in this that you feel that the 350Z should not resemble the Z insignia then the RX-8 should not also since its not intended to replace the RX-7.
When in fact the 350Z has as much worthiness of holding the Z name not for its design (though it can be argued for/against) but for what it has brought. That is my main point.
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
So what makes the Z, a Z, except for name only?
So what makes the Z, a Z, except for name only?
As far as to which came first between Mazda and Saturn for the doors, all I know is that Saturn was the first to come out with it in production form and would guess that the majority of people would also think that way.
All I am doing is providing a counter argument and prefer not to have this turn into an insult/flame war.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
This is not a Z forum, it would be pointless to defend the 02-03 Japanese Car of the Year and Good Design of the Year winner here.
This is not a Z forum, it would be pointless to defend the 02-03 Japanese Car of the Year and Good Design of the Year winner here.
Plymouth Neon.....
awards means jack
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Oh yeah, my car was Automobile magazine car of the year many years ago, and it's a .....(drum roll)
Plymouth Neon.....
awards means jack
Plymouth Neon.....
awards means jack
nice one.
other than that, please continue on with the pissing contest. this is rather amusing.
take care
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
I did not say that the RX-8 is a complete replacement of the RX-7. But for the RX-8 to have the RX name and rotary engine, should'n there be a relation to RX cars of past?
I did not say that the RX-8 is a complete replacement of the RX-7. But for the RX-8 to have the RX name and rotary engine, should'n there be a relation to RX cars of past?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
I know you are just being sarcastic but ouch!..... Suicide door design is not something Mazda came up with. There are plenty of cars and concepts in the past that utilizes the suicide design.... the latest being the RX-8 and the Saturn before that. It's not really fair to describe the RX-8 as a Saturn Quadcoupe copy, but it's easy to see how many people would think that.
As far as all the criticism for the 350Z design goes - sure, whatever you say~
This is not a Z forum, it would be pointless to defend the 02-03 Japanese Car of the Year and Good Design of the Year winner here.
I know you are just being sarcastic but ouch!..... Suicide door design is not something Mazda came up with. There are plenty of cars and concepts in the past that utilizes the suicide design.... the latest being the RX-8 and the Saturn before that. It's not really fair to describe the RX-8 as a Saturn Quadcoupe copy, but it's easy to see how many people would think that.
As far as all the criticism for the 350Z design goes - sure, whatever you say~
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Appreciate your input on the suicide door concept and history.
350Z owners and guests don't have to defend their car here. No one is saying that their car is a POS and that the design sucks. Some people like the design, some find it less desirable. Some think, including I, think the design may be more inspired by the Audi TT design than the previous Z lineage. What's wrong with that? I just think it would have been great to have a design lineage similiar to the Mustangs, 911's, Corvettes, etc. The fans and enthusiasts. They all have a similiar look throughout their history.
But if Nissan, chose to change the styling to a more dramatic fashion than some fans thought was necessary then so be it. I commend them on their COTY and design award. Even though I feel the G35c was more worthy of those two accolades. The 350Z is a great sports car. There are many of us that think it is worthy of exactly that - a great performance sports car.
#143
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
So now your insulting me with...
when im just trying to get involved in a discussion. So touchy arent we. I hope this trend does not continue as I do not want a flame war.
As far as...
didnt I mention that in my previous post?
I did not say that the RX-8 is a complete replacement of the RX-7. But for the RX-8 to have the RX name and rotary engine, should'n there be a relation to RX cars of past?
My point in this that you feel that the 350Z should not resemble the Z insignia then the RX-8 should not also since its not intended to replace the RX-7.
When in fact the 350Z has as much worthiness of holding the Z name not for its design (though it can be argued for/against) but for what it has brought. That is my main point.
The 240z was not brought in as a design benchmark. But what it brought was affordable performance sports car to which the 350Z is now doing again. Thus making the 350 a Z car.
As far as to which came first between Mazda and Saturn for the doors, all I know is that Saturn was the first to come out with it in production form and would guess that the majority of people would also think that way.
All I am doing is providing a counter argument and prefer not to have this turn into an insult/flame war.
So now your insulting me with...
when im just trying to get involved in a discussion. So touchy arent we. I hope this trend does not continue as I do not want a flame war.
As far as...
didnt I mention that in my previous post?
I did not say that the RX-8 is a complete replacement of the RX-7. But for the RX-8 to have the RX name and rotary engine, should'n there be a relation to RX cars of past?
My point in this that you feel that the 350Z should not resemble the Z insignia then the RX-8 should not also since its not intended to replace the RX-7.
When in fact the 350Z has as much worthiness of holding the Z name not for its design (though it can be argued for/against) but for what it has brought. That is my main point.
The 240z was not brought in as a design benchmark. But what it brought was affordable performance sports car to which the 350Z is now doing again. Thus making the 350 a Z car.
As far as to which came first between Mazda and Saturn for the doors, all I know is that Saturn was the first to come out with it in production form and would guess that the majority of people would also think that way.
All I am doing is providing a counter argument and prefer not to have this turn into an insult/flame war.
Bottom line, we have a difference of opinion on the design inspiration. You think it's fine that that designs changed from the older classic look to a more dramatic modern look. BTW, the new design does look meaner, in a muscle car sort of way. I think the design should have had a closer rememblence to the 2xxZ line.
Either way, the 350Z is a great sports car. No arguing that point.
So Saturn came out with the suicide door before the production RX-8. The main point, and its a shame people don't realize this, and frankly I could care less, is that the RX-8 concept had it before the Saturn, and production cars throughout history had it before Mazda and Saturn. I just wanted to clarify that Mazda's inspiration for the suicide doors did not come from Saturn. On the contrary, Saturn copied the design from others.
BTW, welcome to the board. And thanks for the debate.
#144
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
I need to clear this up before you ask again - the RX simply stands for Rotary Experiment. There were other versions besides the RX-7 that you know of RX-1 thru RX-6 all existed. Of these they produced coupes, sedans and even wagons that had pretty much only one thing in common - the rotary. So, the 8 being a new series, it only has to be related to its other brethren by its engine for it to be considered an RX car.
I need to clear this up before you ask again - the RX simply stands for Rotary Experiment. There were other versions besides the RX-7 that you know of RX-1 thru RX-6 all existed. Of these they produced coupes, sedans and even wagons that had pretty much only one thing in common - the rotary. So, the 8 being a new series, it only has to be related to its other brethren by its engine for it to be considered an RX car.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
... Until I drove, my cheap-***, low HP & low torque Fiat X-19, I didn't know what great handling was. I swore if I ever would get another sports car, then it would have to be a great handler. I'm glad the RX-8 came along, and I had the opportunity of owning it.
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Sorry, for my social and economic rant. Time to get off my soapbox.
... Until I drove, my cheap-***, low HP & low torque Fiat X-19, I didn't know what great handling was. I swore if I ever would get another sports car, then it would have to be a great handler. I'm glad the RX-8 came along, and I had the opportunity of owning it.
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Sorry, for my social and economic rant. Time to get off my soapbox.
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As for the latter part of the above quote, me too.
#146
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by Racer X-8
Interesting how we parallel so much.
Interesting how we parallel so much.
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Originally posted by Racer X-8
My first brandy-new car purchase was a '73 Fiat 124 Sport Spider! Bought it only a few months before the gas crunch hit. :D I would have bought it anyway, but the gas crunch was rumored to start any day when was looking to buy, and that surely helped in my decision to go ahead & buy it right away. One of the smartest things I ever did.
My best friend had an X-19 and I liked it too.
As for the latter part of the above quote, me too.
My first brandy-new car purchase was a '73 Fiat 124 Sport Spider! Bought it only a few months before the gas crunch hit. :D I would have bought it anyway, but the gas crunch was rumored to start any day when was looking to buy, and that surely helped in my decision to go ahead & buy it right away. One of the smartest things I ever did.
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As for the latter part of the above quote, me too.
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Anyway, I bought it used and kept it for quite a few years, until I got married, and the maintenance costs started getting too excessive for my wallet. I was sorry I got rid of it (not as sorry as my '69 Camy), but it wasn't practical anymore as a family car. I would like to see a manufacturer release a car with those looks again. Put out more ponies, better reliability, and it would be very popular.
#147
Fiat X1/9
Zoomster....I thought I was the only one that owned one of those. Mine was well used also. Had it for a couple of years. That engine was nothing to write home about speed-wise, but boy did I ever love hearing it "sing" right behind me. Handling was unbelieveable (by '80s standards).
I traded it for an MGB-GT. Another great handler, but I jumped from the frying pan into the fire regarding the reliability of either of those cars.
350Z and the G35 are fine cars in their own spaces, but most of the folks here recognize the RX8 as it is...a fun sports car that gives up nothing to anything in its class.
As far as accolades, the RX8 also had quite a few..."International Engine of the Year" C&D sports car shootout winner (where it beat out the G35 and the Cobra), as well as many others. My guess would be that when Motor Trend does it's COTY, that the RX8 will be at the top of that list, as well as the C&D "!0 Best Cars" and Automobile's "Best Cars" issues.
I traded it for an MGB-GT. Another great handler, but I jumped from the frying pan into the fire regarding the reliability of either of those cars.
350Z and the G35 are fine cars in their own spaces, but most of the folks here recognize the RX8 as it is...a fun sports car that gives up nothing to anything in its class.
As far as accolades, the RX8 also had quite a few..."International Engine of the Year" C&D sports car shootout winner (where it beat out the G35 and the Cobra), as well as many others. My guess would be that when Motor Trend does it's COTY, that the RX8 will be at the top of that list, as well as the C&D "!0 Best Cars" and Automobile's "Best Cars" issues.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
... Not to offend any of you labor union supporters, but, IMO, the unions need to go with their high employee wages. .... I think it's ludricous to have the union workers bitch about their wages and hours...
... Not to offend any of you labor union supporters, but, IMO, the unions need to go with their high employee wages. .... I think it's ludricous to have the union workers bitch about their wages and hours...
Can you imagine how cheap our phone bills would be if they were only paid comparable wages and expected to work 8 hours for 8 hours pay?!?
Ok off my soapbox.
See what you started Mark!!!
#149
Re: Fiat X1/9
Originally posted by graphicguy
Zoomster....I thought I was the only one that owned one of those. Mine was well used also. Had it for a couple of years. That engine was nothing to write home about speed-wise, but boy did I ever love hearing it "sing" right behind me. Handling was unbelieveable (by '80s standards).
I traded it for an MGB-GT. Another great handler, but I jumped from the frying pan into the fire regarding the reliability of either of those cars.
350Z and the G35 are fine cars in their own spaces, but most of the folks here recognize the RX8 as it is...a fun sports car that gives up nothing to anything in its class.
As far as accolades, the RX8 also had quite a few..."International Engine of the Year" C&D sports car shootout winner (where it beat out the G35 and the Cobra), as well as many others. My guess would be that when Motor Trend does it's COTY, that the RX8 will be at the top of that list, as well as the C&D "!0 Best Cars" and Automobile's "Best Cars" issues.
Zoomster....I thought I was the only one that owned one of those. Mine was well used also. Had it for a couple of years. That engine was nothing to write home about speed-wise, but boy did I ever love hearing it "sing" right behind me. Handling was unbelieveable (by '80s standards).
I traded it for an MGB-GT. Another great handler, but I jumped from the frying pan into the fire regarding the reliability of either of those cars.
350Z and the G35 are fine cars in their own spaces, but most of the folks here recognize the RX8 as it is...a fun sports car that gives up nothing to anything in its class.
As far as accolades, the RX8 also had quite a few..."International Engine of the Year" C&D sports car shootout winner (where it beat out the G35 and the Cobra), as well as many others. My guess would be that when Motor Trend does it's COTY, that the RX8 will be at the top of that list, as well as the C&D "!0 Best Cars" and Automobile's "Best Cars" issues.
I do believe the RX-8 will be COTY. You heard it here from graphicguy and me.
BTW, are you the same graphicguy on the Edmund's forum? I'm the same RX-8 Zoomster.
#150
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: owner of a 280z
Originally posted by TJRX8
A little off the original topic but I agree here. A fine example are the wages that phone company employees make in the NY area (and I'm not talking about NY City). I personally know Installers and Customer service Reps. (answer phones and questions) that make $30 and hour. If you don't find that ludicrous you should be ashamed. To go along with it they get gobs of over time and the union continually protects them even if they are shitty workers. And god forbid you are asked to do something out of the boundaries of your contract. Big mommy Union will protect you, don't worry. I almost forgot the installers are instructed to do no more than 4-5 jobs a day. If the cutomer isn't home it is still considered a ticket and the tech blows time in a park under a tree reading the paper. Ever wonder why you see so many Telephone trucks parked all over the place?
Can you imagine how cheap our phone bills would be if they were only paid comparable wages and expected to work 8 hours for 8 hours pay?!?
Ok off my soapbox.
See what you started Mark!!!
A little off the original topic but I agree here. A fine example are the wages that phone company employees make in the NY area (and I'm not talking about NY City). I personally know Installers and Customer service Reps. (answer phones and questions) that make $30 and hour. If you don't find that ludicrous you should be ashamed. To go along with it they get gobs of over time and the union continually protects them even if they are shitty workers. And god forbid you are asked to do something out of the boundaries of your contract. Big mommy Union will protect you, don't worry. I almost forgot the installers are instructed to do no more than 4-5 jobs a day. If the cutomer isn't home it is still considered a ticket and the tech blows time in a park under a tree reading the paper. Ever wonder why you see so many Telephone trucks parked all over the place?
Can you imagine how cheap our phone bills would be if they were only paid comparable wages and expected to work 8 hours for 8 hours pay?!?
Ok off my soapbox.
See what you started Mark!!!