Stalking you? No! Calling you out when you post some sort of gibberish, heresay, allegations, etc about this and that regarding the RX8? Absolutely! So, ouside of nebulous "I saw this, I saw that, I heard this, I heard that, this post said this, this post said that" don't mean diddly here. YOU DON"T OWN AN RX8. So, your opinion carries NO weight. I doubt you've even driven one.

In the past, I've done quite a bit on the track (ratty Mustang that runs 13 sec 1/4s) as well as on the course (MGB-GT, Toyota Corolla GTS, 1st gen Mini). I sincerely doubt your you have near (if any) of the experience you say you do.

As far as I'm concerned, since you spend so much time here, you really want an RX8. Quit your bellyaching. You sond like an old woman with all your complaining. If you really want to know what the RX8 is all about, go buy one.

 

Hahahaha....this thread is hilarious....i own a 350z but i could care less if a bunch of rx8 owners thought their car was faster than mine. I'm sure if i was an 8 owner i wouldn't care if a bunch of z guys thought their car was faster than that either...i'm just here to be another z owner and i must say i'm anxious to race an 8 owner myself. There are always 3-4 rx8's in every mazda dealer in houston, but i have yet to meet one on the road.

anyways...wouldn't it be awesome if someone could set up a race between graphicguy and blue350z so we can finally shut these 2 up?? haha that would be awesome.......settling it the old fashion way...its like a modern day shootout

 

Hi,

I haven't read this entire thread, but noticed there was some sort of comparison b/w the Z and RX8. I love my RX8, but I am returning it, because the dealer "stuck" me with an issue on the leased car I gave in. Long story... I have to pick up my Mitsubishi Eclipse that is sitting in their lot and drive it until maturity when I can return it w/o early lease term penalties. I never returned a car 7 mths early. Anyhow...

...getting back to the Z

I just came from a Nissan dealer, because I was curious. I've had two Zs in the past, and I was more interested in the RX8 so I never really checked out the Z. I just sat and drove in a 2004 350Z Touring Package "whatever." I was very disappointed with the interior of the car. The sales rep sat in mine, and I even let him drive it. He had to agree that for the money the RX8 I have offered more, drove very nice and was ALOT nicer on the inside. No comparison!!!!!!!!!

I admit that I like the exterior of the Z better, and I'm sure it could win a race based upon the 289 HP...but once you drive the RX8 and sit in the Z, it's too disappointing. I will definitely not get the Z and likely get the RX8 again.

Just thought I'd share that.

Take care,
Viv

 

Hi,

I haven't read this entire thread, but noticed there was some sort of comparison b/w the Z and RX8. I love my RX8, but I am returning it, because the dealer "stuck" me with an issue on the leased car I gave in. Long story... I have to pick up my Mitsubishi Eclipse that is sitting in their lot and drive it until maturity when I can return it w/o early lease term penalties. I never returned a car 7 mths early. Anyhow...

...getting back to the Z

I just came from a Nissan dealer, because I was curious. I've had two Zs in the past, and I was more interested in the RX8 so I never really checked out the Z. I just sat and drove in a 2004 350Z Touring Package "whatever." I was very disappointed with the interior of the car. The sales rep sat in mine, and I even let him drive it. He had to agree that for the money the RX8 I have offered more, drove very nice and was ALOT nicer on the inside. No comparison!!!!!!!!!

I admit that I like the exterior of the Z better, and I'm sure it could win a race based upon the 289 HP...but once you drive the RX8 and sit in the Z, it's too disappointing. I will definitely not get the Z and likely get the RX8 again.

Just thought I'd share that.

Take care,
Viv

 

Where you live GraphicGuy?? I live in Boston, MA... I will gladly line you up anyday of the week from any speeds or whatever you can come up with, See how good you can hang with a 13.9@101 car.. Then maybe you will shut up.. You can look at a few of my time slips from my last outing in my sig if you don't believe I am running what I say. Also if there are anybody that live close to Boston with an RX8 we can meet up and post our results.

And to graphicguy's quote of

"I sincerely doubt your you have near (if any) of the experience you say you do"

I just counted all my time slips from my Z since I bought it in late Jan and there are 19 slips, and I am sure I lost a few. I have not been at the track since back around 4600 miles and weather in the 90's, I just bought a brand new "Escort G-timer 2" from tweeter and got a good run in on a nice dry 50 degree weather day. I managed a 13.82@102.3mph including a 0-60 in 5.27 and if its calibrated right it supposed to be VERY accurate. Now that I have 10k+ miles on it its a bit faster then back at 4600 miles, I should have some fresh time slips within the next 30 days, hoping to get a 13.8@102ish time slip or better..

And if you call averaging 1 post a day busy on this site, what would you call the people on this site that have 1000-2000++ posts?

 

I think a lot of people would like to see a videotape of this event so that we can witness the outcome :D :D :D

 

Calm down guys. This is turning into nothing but a stupid internet pissing contest.

 

My buddy's got a digital cam, this could be arranged easily.. Any takers in the New England area? Heck you can race him too, he's got a 2004 Grand Prix GTP comp edition and IT FLYS, you can line up with him too and see how it stacks up against his 260HP and 280TQ. The GTP comp supposed to be good for 15 flat in the 1/4 and 94-95 traps, my money is on him also..

 

If you or your buddy were worth a crap, you would be preparing to go racing at Mid Ohio next week in the SCCA national runnoffs. Go jump!

 

You call that "Experience"

Quote:

And if you call averaging 1 post a day busy on this site, what would you call the people on this site that have 1000-2000++ posts?

RX-8 Owners or Enthusiasts...

 

Everyday driveability?
Does the rock hard suspension make it for everyday driveability, Blue? Just a question.

And let me state a 'fact' like the ones you like to post and jerk about: I don't have any 'everyday driveability' problems with my 8.


Hoperfuly I wont be pissing blood anytime soon.











j/k :D

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TJRX8

You call that "Experience"



I was responding to graphicguy's comments about how many times I ran my Z, try reading all the posts before making idiotic comments..

Also I enjoy a stiff suspension, and the Z by far has a more forgiving suspension then some other cars I had owned and drove in. I have had sports cars all my life, every single car. But this is my 1st 2 seater. Past cars being a honda prelude Si, an eclipse turbo which I put nearly $10k into the engine and also my buddy used to have a highly modded New Celica GTS. I LOVE stiff suspensions, makes you feel very connected and I am so used to them. If I wanted a soft ride I would of bought a caddy.. If I am going to get a car, its gonna be 100% what I want, I wanted a pure sports car, I got a Z.

Also about everyday driveability, I just got back from a 1800 miles road trip with my friend in his new GTP comp and I was complaining what a gas guzzler it was because it was barely getting 25mpg on the highway at 75mph, and if you floor it on and off forget it, you can go thru 15 gallons in 100-150 miles, with mixed hard driving he gets 16-18 mpg. My Z at speeds around 75 mph gets about 30mpg and at speeds around 65 it gets 32+ and in mixed driving usually around 22-23mpg. I could NOT even imagine getting 13-16 mpg with a car, expecially now that gas prices are about $2 a gallon.. PHEW!

 

Thats the beauty down in TX.....
Premium avg. $1.69 per galon
$1.89 p/g: worst one (Texaco...)
$1.49 p/g: cheapest one (would never use it again...RaceTrac)

 

Blah blah blah!!!

I just spent the evening hunting information to answer some the questions as to why someone would want a Rotary that Blue350Z posed.

Here is an address dealing with aviation use of rotary (high standards)


http://home.earthlink.net/~rotaryeng...le-rotary2.txt

IN a nutshell, a rotary will last around 200,000 miles in an airplane before need overhaul (1991 rotary engine ) AND it burns cheaper auto fuel instead of expensive aviation fuel. RX 8 reliability is supposed to be even better. Gas mileage is not extreme either. Compare it to the other engines that do 0-60 in around 6 secs - S2000 (18), G35 (19), overall MPG. Even the new Hondar Accord with 7 sec 0-60 and 240 hp has a lower than normal Accord mpg w/ 6 spd.

Also, a note on this torque/horsepower issue.

I used to own a '96 BMW 328is coupe. That car was tested as 0-60 in 6.4 seconds with 190 hp and 206 ft lbs AND 16.42 lbs per hp. The '95 M3 was tested by the same mag as 0-60 in 6.2 seconds with 240hp and 225 ft lbs and 13.23 lbs per hp. (96 M3 was not available when I purchased) The M3 did not really pull away from the 328 until the higher mph figures were reached. (M3 suspension was better in twisties but I live in FL!!) - point? The type of driving most people do is under 80 mph. If you were street drag racing you could buy a Cobra and blow just about every normal stock car away. Handling is irrelevant (nearly) in a straight line.

As I already shared here, the RX8 driving feel is a strong suit. EVERY REVIEW COMMENTS ON IT. It is the handling factor and the FUN FACTOR. We have a Miata and it is a ball to drive. Not too fast but wow does it go. My impression of the 350Z Touring I drove a few days ago was similar to my impression of the G35. Road noise apparent, sound of road apparent, torque supply apparent. The car was a nice car but it did feel heavy as a handling IN COMPARISION to the RX 8. The steering was very different to me. It has 11.31 lbs per hp compared to the 12.72 lbs per hp of the RX 8 yet according to the tests they accelerate similarly under 80 mph. The Z will be a car length ahead or so at 100mph (in a drag) but does it really matter? That actually says a lot for the 8 with its 238 hp and 4 seats - that is the niche it is intended for - a sportscar/sports sedan and we should all be happy such a product exists. The Z is a cool car bit one has to admit that the RX 8 is also great looking.

Be careful speaking against Mazda and the HP issue. I am sure that some have seen the "others manufacturers have done this before" section in one of the publication reports and Infiniti/Nissan was listed with I believe 4 cars. On the Q45 and performance it said they did NOTHING even though the car did not PERFORM as stated. At least Mazda owners have a choice.

 

I have pre-ordered an 8 for spring, and I can't believe all the BS that some people post on here??..........but yours was a great post........with good facts......no doubt the 8 is not the fastest car out there, but great performance, and looking at all the data, not much slower than the 8.........I finally decided yesterday to go to Nissan and pretend I was pissed off at Mazda, and take a look at the 8.....the salesman was more than willing to take me out for a test drive if he could steal a deal from Mazda.......needless to say, I still wanted the 8, but wanted to run the hell out of the 350Z for a half hr................not a bad looking car, but like the Mags say, cheap looking interior (just my opinion as well), and it had nice torque......but in all honesty, the 8 I test drove was not much slower, and much more refined inside, with much better feel........these are just my opinions, and I am not bashing the Z, it is a great car, but I think the 8 is all around better..........I did a ton of research before buying, and looked at stats in Europe and North America, and came to the conclusion that the 8 was a great performace car, with excellent looks!...............I am actually surprised at how many on here think there is some big cover-up about HP?.........I have owned many different cars, more recently, 330i, prelude, currently 2003 1.8T Jetta, and the 8 would be the best performer by far, and probably beats or keeps pace with most of the performance cars out there........and the comments from all the mags I have read have been consistent, with rave reviews, but in the end it all comes down to personal taste.....not many cars make your head turn like this one, and there is plently of get up and go to leave some others in the dust

 

Sad, very very sad!!! You call all those cars as sports cars?
350Z, Celica, prelude and eclipse are not pure 100% sports cars!! Then what do you call Porsche 911, BMW M3, Lotus Elise and RX7? Don't even bother the supercars!!

I owned a 996 911 and I refuse to accept a 350Z as a pure sports car, no way!!! It is not even close to BMW M3 or even 10 years old 993 911. Wake up boy, and don't claim you are fussy about your sports car if you only experience so little and only know about 1/4 mile run!!

 

People are out of there minds on this forum and can't face facts.. I am totally done with this forum. And if you think the 350z is not a pure sports car, you are a real dumbass.. Also I am 25 years old, you would not see me driving 911's or a lotus in high school or college. And the Eclipse turbo and honda prelude are sports cars (or maybe sporty cars) and the Z is 100% sports cars with a long tradition ..

You people are insane, i'll leave you people to your 175/120tq and fantasy land of thinking it will get you mid-low 14's and high 90's in the 1/4.

And for the person that thinks a Z will be 1 car lenght at the end of a 1/4 vs an RX8, thats funny since I beat a car at the track that ran a 14.3@99.5 by 2 car lenghts.

My friend's old car (modded Celica GTS) was running much better traps then the current rx8 numbers I see (he runs 15.1@94-95) and I was able to toy with him easily at any speed, and his power numbers were VERY VERY VERY close to the RX-8 numbers and his car weights 2800lbs.

L8r! Enjoy your RX8 and i'll be looking for you people on the road. I will make sure to post my results not that you will believe them anyway.

 

Yeah, it is so pure it comes with maxima chassis and V6 engine!! That is also why it needs suspension so stiff to compromise with the chassis!! You remind me of the other guy with G35C, that keeps on bragging about the RX8 small torque!!! And how fast the NIssan is to 1/4 mile. 1/4 mile, 1/4 mile and more 1/4 mile

 

Ahh...finally!

 

This is exactly why I am done, this forum has some of the most unknowledgeable car people I have ever seen on any forum. People should have some idea about cars before they are allowed to post. Its posts like this that make people dumber

 

"...and the heavens opened, the sun shone, all in life was once again good....!"

blue boy is gone.....lets have some cheers. I've taken a look at "blu boy's slips....they never have any indication he's run his Z at the track....just some time slips he could have picked up anywhere for any car. He had a serious case of RX8 envy since he spent so much time here perusing everything about the RX8. Jeez, what an *******!

RacerX8, I'll be at mid-Ohio. It's kind of like a MECCA for me. Wish we could hook up. Bunch of buddies and I go with a first generation Mini that we use strictly for autoX. I'll be in the mini which is red with the Brit flag painted on the top. Do you participate? If so, what do you drive?

For the record, I don't/won't "track" my RX8. I use it as my daily driver. I've got an old, beat to hell Mustang GT for that...well modded and fast (always someone faster, though). I think it may be leaving me, though. I need the garage space.

 

It is an immature agrument to state that people that disagree with you don't know the "facts" or are "unknowledgable". Blue 350Z has consistently posted unsubstantiated, biased, illogical, hostile, arrogant crap. I doubt he's really gone.

I know I've gone for his bait a few times and I think the best thing we can do is let his threads die (unless you like to jostle with him for fun).

 

I hope he's gone, but am more than happy to "jostle" with him. Besides, I'm not through with him....I was just getting started. Personally, I would like to meet up with him to "chat".

But, if it's better for the board (probably is), if he ever comes back (hope not), I'll show restraint (if that's possible). I travel to the Boston area on business. Maybe he and I could arrange to meet and "settle things"?

 

That makes just you, nobody else is doubting them. What kind of indication do you expect? Every car gets a shoe polished number and thats what's on the slip, I have like 16 more from diffrent dates also. Like drag slips of a nearby track are so easy to just find, lol. Like I would post fake slips on my personal web site.

GraphicGeek you know NOTHING about cars, NOTHING at all. Nothing you say even phases me. I take it as a compliment that you don't believe those slips, that means that they are really good in your eyes in which I am proud.

PS where you live? What don't we meet at the New england dragway and I can ram some fresh time slips in your mouth

 

Bye smart one!! Have a nice day!!