4 die in a rx8 :(
03-07-2006 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
I always wonder why they don't make those barricade things taller. I go over this one bridge on 95 with them and it scares the crap outta me. If they had been the 6 ft variety there's probably a better chance the car woulda stayed on the ramp. It may have flipped over, but that's a whole lot better than plummeting to your doom.
03-07-2006 | 05:03 PM
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From my post in the OTHER thread of this thread:
Watching the video of the accident, I am puzzled as to why the car, which slid some 400 ft along the guard rail barrier, suddenly got flipped into the air. The 8 is so low to the ground and has such a low center of gravity, that I can only think that while the car was grinding the wall (passenger side of the car), the driver tried to steer to much to the left to get himself off the wall, causing the car to make its way to a perpendicular angle to the direction he was travelling, therefore causing the car to roll. does that make sense to anyone? If you are familiar with motorcycle racing term, this would essentiall be a "high side" crash when going through a corner. Does anyone think maybe he was going so fast that when the DSC kicked it to put him back in line, that it caused the car to flip because it was just going so fast that the DSC whipped him back into line, but the speed caused it to be unstable (again, another "high side" scenario) ?
Watching the video of the accident, I am puzzled as to why the car, which slid some 400 ft along the guard rail barrier, suddenly got flipped into the air. The 8 is so low to the ground and has such a low center of gravity, that I can only think that while the car was grinding the wall (passenger side of the car), the driver tried to steer to much to the left to get himself off the wall, causing the car to make its way to a perpendicular angle to the direction he was travelling, therefore causing the car to roll. does that make sense to anyone? If you are familiar with motorcycle racing term, this would essentiall be a "high side" crash when going through a corner. Does anyone think maybe he was going so fast that when the DSC kicked it to put him back in line, that it caused the car to flip because it was just going so fast that the DSC whipped him back into line, but the speed caused it to be unstable (again, another "high side" scenario) ?
03-07-2006 | 05:21 PM
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At 100+mph he could've broke the steering/suspension when he skid into the concrete barrier, resulting in the tire 'grabbing' the barrier and directing the car off the bridge. I'm just taking a wild guess.
03-07-2006 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by djseto
From my post in the OTHER thread of this thread:
Watching the video of the accident, I am puzzled as to why the car, which slid some 400 ft along the guard rail barrier, suddenly got flipped into the air. The 8 is so low to the ground and has such a low center of gravity, that I can only think that while the car was grinding the wall (passenger side of the car), the driver tried to steer to much to the left to get himself off the wall, causing the car to make its way to a perpendicular angle to the direction he was travelling, therefore causing the car to roll. does that make sense to anyone? If you are familiar with motorcycle racing term, this would essentiall be a "high side" crash when going through a corner. Does anyone think maybe he was going so fast that when the DSC kicked it to put him back in line, that it caused the car to flip because it was just going so fast that the DSC whipped him back into line, but the speed caused it to be unstable (again, another "high side" scenario) ?
Watching the video of the accident, I am puzzled as to why the car, which slid some 400 ft along the guard rail barrier, suddenly got flipped into the air. The 8 is so low to the ground and has such a low center of gravity, that I can only think that while the car was grinding the wall (passenger side of the car), the driver tried to steer to much to the left to get himself off the wall, causing the car to make its way to a perpendicular angle to the direction he was travelling, therefore causing the car to roll. does that make sense to anyone? If you are familiar with motorcycle racing term, this would essentiall be a "high side" crash when going through a corner. Does anyone think maybe he was going so fast that when the DSC kicked it to put him back in line, that it caused the car to flip because it was just going so fast that the DSC whipped him back into line, but the speed caused it to be unstable (again, another "high side" scenario) ?
03-07-2006 | 06:05 PM
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zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom. I like the body bag sticker at the end of the film.
I just don't feel bad for the driver. I would feel horrible though for a passenger who was asking for him to slow down and didn't do so.
Stories like this only reinforce my feelings that if I'm in any vechile I want control of it.
I just don't feel bad for the driver. I would feel horrible though for a passenger who was asking for him to slow down and didn't do so.
Stories like this only reinforce my feelings that if I'm in any vechile I want control of it.
03-07-2006 | 07:49 PM
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This video.
http://www.wral.com/video/7759444/detail.html
They said the car left skid marks for 120 feet before hitting the barricade. It then skidded 410 feet along the wall before going over. It then flew 224 feet through the air while plummeting 58 feet to crash into the woods below.
That must have been one hell of a ride.
http://www.wral.com/video/7759444/detail.html
They said the car left skid marks for 120 feet before hitting the barricade. It then skidded 410 feet along the wall before going over. It then flew 224 feet through the air while plummeting 58 feet to crash into the woods below.
That must have been one hell of a ride.
03-09-2006 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8 Zoom Zoom
I am 16. Kids like that kid that made a bad decision give teens a bad name. I have never even come close to doing that in my 8 and I would NEVER do it it with other people in my car... best friends or not.
03-09-2006 | 04:14 PM
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Once you've started a spin, an imperfection or disruption of a smooth surface can cause one or two tires to bite in (cracks, potholes, storm drains, even lane markers if you catch the tall edge). If the tires bite in on the same side as your forward momentum, and you are facing perpendicular to the forward direction, you'll flip.
Another way is if their front was damaged enough/in the right sopt... it could have left a place for something to catch into, such as a part of the guard rail that did not give as much as the rest.
As someone who's crashed their 8 into a wall at over 80+, I'm really thankful that it was:
A) on a track
B) on a track
C) not on the road/highway (meaning ON a track)
D) the thing I ran into was a concrete wall
E) I drive (drove) a car that is just damn safe, thank you Mazda
https://www.rx8club.com/lounge-4/first-last-time-drag-track-83269/
Since I accidentally put it in the lounge (for those who don't go there) here's a link to the info on my crash. I got lucky for another two reasons. If I'd lost control and spun to the right, I may have taken out the guy (a friend) in the right lane. I also could have run over one of the timing boxes and may have flipped. All things considered I was VERY lucky, unlike those four poor kids... and their poor parents. I'll be saying a few words for them in my prayers tonight and thanking God that I lived through my wreck.
Another way is if their front was damaged enough/in the right sopt... it could have left a place for something to catch into, such as a part of the guard rail that did not give as much as the rest.
As someone who's crashed their 8 into a wall at over 80+, I'm really thankful that it was:
A) on a track
B) on a track
C) not on the road/highway (meaning ON a track)
D) the thing I ran into was a concrete wall
E) I drive (drove) a car that is just damn safe, thank you Mazda
https://www.rx8club.com/lounge-4/first-last-time-drag-track-83269/
Since I accidentally put it in the lounge (for those who don't go there) here's a link to the info on my crash. I got lucky for another two reasons. If I'd lost control and spun to the right, I may have taken out the guy (a friend) in the right lane. I also could have run over one of the timing boxes and may have flipped. All things considered I was VERY lucky, unlike those four poor kids... and their poor parents. I'll be saying a few words for them in my prayers tonight and thanking God that I lived through my wreck.
03-09-2006 | 09:52 PM
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Here's a good way to do all of the above... people speculating this and that looking at the car, could have had a fault... etc...
ALKEYHAUL was found at the scene.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...gle&id=3976812
That's how crap like this happens. Fast car, peer pressure, drinking. Period.
"Never me!" or "Never my kid!"
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ALKEYHAUL was found at the scene.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...gle&id=3976812
New Details in Crash Investigation Eyewitness News
(03/09/06 - RALEIGH) - Raleigh police have released new information in the car crash that killed four Wakefield High School students.
A search warrant just released shows there was alcohol found at the crash site. Police say the teens were in a Mazda RX-8 going more than 100-mph when the car slammed into a concrete barrier, fell 58-feet and burst into flames on the ground below.
The day after the crash, Eyewitness News cameras captured video of a half-charred beer can at the crash site.
According to search warrants, police say a total of six empty beer cans were found on the scene, and investigators say they were clearly from the teens' vehicle.
Police also seized a digital camera and they believe it may hold key evidence in what happened in the hours before the crash.
They are now seeking an additional search warrant that will give them access to the photos on the camera.
As this new information comes out, two more students killed in the crash are being laid to rest Thursday.
Family and friends said their final goodbyes at services for Anthony Bostic, 17 and Steven George, 18, both passengers in the car.
Wednesday, hundreds gathered at Bayleaf Baptist Church in Raleigh to remember Baker Wood, 18. He was driving the Mazda sports car.
"The thing about Baker is he really didn't say that much, but you could just look at him and you knew that he knew what was going on in this world," said friend Wills Citty. "He knew a lot more than maybe I'll ever know."
Tim Steinberg was also killed in the crash. He will be buried Friday.
(03/09/06 - RALEIGH) - Raleigh police have released new information in the car crash that killed four Wakefield High School students.
A search warrant just released shows there was alcohol found at the crash site. Police say the teens were in a Mazda RX-8 going more than 100-mph when the car slammed into a concrete barrier, fell 58-feet and burst into flames on the ground below.
The day after the crash, Eyewitness News cameras captured video of a half-charred beer can at the crash site.
According to search warrants, police say a total of six empty beer cans were found on the scene, and investigators say they were clearly from the teens' vehicle.
Police also seized a digital camera and they believe it may hold key evidence in what happened in the hours before the crash.
They are now seeking an additional search warrant that will give them access to the photos on the camera.
As this new information comes out, two more students killed in the crash are being laid to rest Thursday.
Family and friends said their final goodbyes at services for Anthony Bostic, 17 and Steven George, 18, both passengers in the car.
Wednesday, hundreds gathered at Bayleaf Baptist Church in Raleigh to remember Baker Wood, 18. He was driving the Mazda sports car.
"The thing about Baker is he really didn't say that much, but you could just look at him and you knew that he knew what was going on in this world," said friend Wills Citty. "He knew a lot more than maybe I'll ever know."
Tim Steinberg was also killed in the crash. He will be buried Friday.
"Never me!" or "Never my kid!"
--kC
03-10-2006 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Imp
Here's a good way to do all of the above... people speculating this and that looking at the car, could have had a fault... etc...
ALKEYHAUL was found at the scene.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...gle&id=3976812
That's how crap like this happens. Fast car, peer pressure, drinking. Period.
"Never me!" or "Never my kid!"
--kC
ALKEYHAUL was found at the scene.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...gle&id=3976812
That's how crap like this happens. Fast car, peer pressure, drinking. Period.
"Never me!" or "Never my kid!"
--kC
I overheard some men talking about this when I was at the grocery store yesterday. One of them was saying that father has refused to answer whether or not he gave his son permission to use the car, whether or not he knew they had been drinking, and the parents are trying to fight the warrant to obtain the photos in the digital camera. I guess he also lawyered up. I'm not sure about the rest of the family or where he got this from since I haven't searched out any new stories about anymore updates. Interesting stuff, definitely.
03-10-2006 | 10:48 AM
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the parents of the driver could be sued by the other parents...
here's the speed calculation:
A mass travels in the X direction at V initial horizontal velocity then free falls 58' in the y axis while travelling 224' in the x axis before hitting the ground. Ignoring air resistance, calculate V.
I found V to be 80.4 mph. This is after skidding 120 ft and scraping on the guardrail 410 ft while on an upwards incline!!!
I think the 105-115mph estimate is a bit conservative...
here's the speed calculation:
A mass travels in the X direction at V initial horizontal velocity then free falls 58' in the y axis while travelling 224' in the x axis before hitting the ground. Ignoring air resistance, calculate V.
I found V to be 80.4 mph. This is after skidding 120 ft and scraping on the guardrail 410 ft while on an upwards incline!!!
I think the 105-115mph estimate is a bit conservative...
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03-10-2006 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
the parents of the driver could be sued by the other parents...
any good mathematicians here? I can do this but I'm rusty:
A 3700 lbs mass travels in the X direction at V initial velocity then free falls 58' in the y axis while travelling 224' in the x axis before hitting the ground. Ignoring air resistance, calculate V.
any good mathematicians here? I can do this but I'm rusty:
A 3700 lbs mass travels in the X direction at V initial velocity then free falls 58' in the y axis while travelling 224' in the x axis before hitting the ground. Ignoring air resistance, calculate V.
a quick translation: Darwin! Party of four!
We lost someone every year in HS to the same phenomenon.
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03-10-2006 | 11:24 AM
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A conservative calculation by my mathematically inclined friend puts their initial speed in excess of 140 MPH!!!! He figures they were going faster than that based on all the skid marks on the road as well as the barrier and how much they flew through the air. With all that resistance being applied it slowed their speed sigificantly. He figures they pushed that car to it's maximum possible speed since it was a straight stretch of road leading up to that. He said if anyone knows what the maximum speed of the car is, that is probably what they were doing before they crashed.
03-10-2006 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BunnyGirl
A conservative calculation by my mathematically inclined friend puts their initial speed in excess of 140 MPH!!!! He figures they were going faster than that based on all the skid marks on the road as well as the barrier and how much they flew through the air. With all that resistance being applied it slowed their speed sigificantly. He figures they pushed that car to it's maximum possible speed since it was a straight stretch of road leading up to that. He said if anyone knows what the maximum speed of the car is, that is probably what they were doing before they crashed.
03-10-2006 | 12:19 PM
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I saw a story on the news about it last night and they said they hit the wall at an estimated speed of 105-115 MPH, which was after 120 feet of skid marks on the road before impact.
I don't know exactly how my friend calculated the speed but, yes, it was not assuming he was accelerating along the wall, since that is doubtful as there were 120 feet of skid marks before hitting the wall, which implies hard breaking.
I don't know exactly how my friend calculated the speed but, yes, it was not assuming he was accelerating along the wall, since that is doubtful as there were 120 feet of skid marks before hitting the wall, which implies hard breaking.
03-10-2006 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BunnyGirl
I saw a story on the news about it last night and they said they hit the wall at an estimated speed of 105-115 MPH, which was after 120 feet of skid marks on the road before impact.
I don't know exactly how my friend calculated the speed but, yes, it was not assuming he was accelerating along the wall, since that is doubtful as there were 120 feet of skid marks before hitting the wall, which implies hard breaking.
I don't know exactly how my friend calculated the speed but, yes, it was not assuming he was accelerating along the wall, since that is doubtful as there were 120 feet of skid marks before hitting the wall, which implies hard breaking.
03-10-2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
my calculation is 80 mph at the start of the fall where there's no more resistance besides air
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