8 MT compared to New MAZDASPEED 6 MT
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Originally Posted by hondasr4kids
Loose? I didn't know my personal opinion was on a competition. To me Subarus are over-rated. The MS 6 is not a track car but it has what I'm looking for. The problem the MS 6 has with the power is the mounting of the i/c and no ventilation, easy fix if I was worry about hp # other wise I would keep the 8. The only other car that I will consider is a BMW E39 M5. Is a bit more $ but it is a better car also.
The problem with the MS6 is that it's pulling timing because of proper cooling and sometimes bad gas, that means the knock senor is being triggered. You're getting knock most likely, it's not just losing horsepower, the car is running poorly.
As for the cruise control on the Evo, there are aftermarket units you can buy, I'm not sure how didficult or expensive it is since I've never looked into it.
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i think the ms6 is cool, not a "failure" but it has major identity crisis...
not quite sport enough to knock of 'sportier' sedans..yet not luxury enough to be luxury.
to me its more of a cool option for the guy who wanted a TSX, but wants to spend a tad more, or the guy who was about to buy an Accord V6 but wanted something a tad sportier.
Its seen as a 'bit of a failure" cause its a Turbo'd AWD with the Mazdaspeed name, and its not putting out the numbers performance wise to create its own identity..its just kind of this 'cool other option'. To some thats great, to some, not enough.
not quite sport enough to knock of 'sportier' sedans..yet not luxury enough to be luxury.
to me its more of a cool option for the guy who wanted a TSX, but wants to spend a tad more, or the guy who was about to buy an Accord V6 but wanted something a tad sportier.
Its seen as a 'bit of a failure" cause its a Turbo'd AWD with the Mazdaspeed name, and its not putting out the numbers performance wise to create its own identity..its just kind of this 'cool other option'. To some thats great, to some, not enough.
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Originally Posted by Ike
The problem with the MS6 is that it's pulling timing because of proper cooling and sometimes bad gas, that means the knock senor is being triggered. You're getting knock most likely, it's not just losing horsepower, the car is running poorly.
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=47353
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Doesn't seem like that may be the cause Ike...
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=47353
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=47353
It's kind of sad really, this could have been a very good car, I was excited about it. Mazda not only blew it in the handling department, but the damn thing doesn't even run properly.
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I really have no idea why they went with the MZR DISI instead of a beefed up V6. I suppose because it's their engine and it's being used across several models (the AWD system as well). Still...
Weight could have been saved without the big dumbass hood. An all aluminum trunk would help too. Hell... go CF is necessary (I know costs will go up). The hatchback just plain old looks better too.
Personally I think the 6s hatchback before the recent facelift is a very good looking car. I'd almost consider one.
Weight could have been saved without the big dumbass hood. An all aluminum trunk would help too. Hell... go CF is necessary (I know costs will go up). The hatchback just plain old looks better too.
Personally I think the 6s hatchback before the recent facelift is a very good looking car. I'd almost consider one.
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Originally Posted by Japan8
I really have no idea why they went with the MZR DISI instead of a beefed up V6. I suppose because it's their engine and it's being used across several models (the AWD system as well). Still...
Weight could have been saved without the big dumbass hood. An all aluminum trunk would help too. Hell... go CF is necessary (I know costs will go up). The hatchback just plain old looks better too.
Personally I think the 6s hatchback before the recent facelift is a very good looking car. I'd almost consider one.
Weight could have been saved without the big dumbass hood. An all aluminum trunk would help too. Hell... go CF is necessary (I know costs will go up). The hatchback just plain old looks better too.
Personally I think the 6s hatchback before the recent facelift is a very good looking car. I'd almost consider one.
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Originally Posted by astro
^^^ In your eyes... what has Mazda done that's good?
You seem to bag Mazda for what it is. That is just my perception with your numerous posts.![Hahano](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/hahano.gif)
You seem to bag Mazda for what it is. That is just my perception with your numerous posts.
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Maybe Ike is SubaruGod in RX-8Club. That aside, its not fair to compare EVO and STI against MPS 6 which basically aims for the family sedan market while the other two aims for pure performance first. However noone should deny the fact that the MPS 6 has potential to be HP/Torque monster, its been tuned too conservatively in stock form. The only bad thing I can see is its AWD system, FWD full time and only activated when front wheel slip occurs (correct me if I'm wrong here). Performance wise all cars including AWD are trying to emulate RWD handling behaivour.
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Originally Posted by yiksing
Maybe Ike is SubaruGod in RX-8Club. That aside, its not fair to compare EVO and STI against MPS 6 which basically aims for the family sedan market while the other two aims for pure performance first. However noone should deny the fact that the MPS 6 has potential to be HP/Torque monster, its been tuned too conservatively in stock form. The only bad thing I can see is its AWD system, FWD full time and only activated when front wheel slip occurs (correct me if I'm wrong here). Performance wise all cars including AWD are trying to emulate RWD handling behaivour.
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in my personal expirience, a couple of my friends have mazdaspeed 6 and they dont have any problems, it is faster than the legacy, for a stock car its pretty fast.
the problems that some are having will be solved remember mazda its going to put this engine in a lot of cars so it cant afort to have problems with this engine .
the problems that some are having will be solved remember mazda its going to put this engine in a lot of cars so it cant afort to have problems with this engine .
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Maybe Ike is SubaruGod in RX-8Club. That aside, its not fair to compare EVO and STI against MPS 6 which basically aims for the family sedan market while the other two aims for pure performance first. However noone should deny the fact that the MPS 6 has potential to be HP/Torque monster, its been tuned too conservatively in stock form. The only bad thing I can see is its AWD system, FWD full time and only activated when front wheel slip occurs (correct me if I'm wrong here). Performance wise all cars including AWD are trying to emulate RWD handling behaivour.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
Unless you're talking about power-on oversteer I don't see how the driving wheels will affect handling. I've always heard its primarily a weight-balance issue. FWD and AWD have more weight up front which makes them front-heavy. While most RWD have better balance with the weight out back.
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
in my personal expirience, a couple of my friends have mazdaspeed 6 and they dont have any problems, it is faster than the legacy, for a stock car its pretty fast.
the problems that some are having will be solved remember mazda its going to put this engine in a lot of cars so it cant afort to have problems with this engine .
the problems that some are having will be solved remember mazda its going to put this engine in a lot of cars so it cant afort to have problems with this engine .
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Originally Posted by jayk
I'm pretty sure the EVO has the same AWD layout (FWD full time sending power to the back as needed). Not the exact same system, but same functionality.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
Unless you're talking about power-on oversteer I don't see how the driving wheels will affect handling. I've always heard its primarily a weight-balance issue. FWD and AWD have more weight up front which makes them front-heavy. While most RWD have better balance with the weight out back.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
Unless you're talking about power-on oversteer I don't see how the driving wheels will affect handling. I've always heard its primarily a weight-balance issue. FWD and AWD have more weight up front which makes them front-heavy. While most RWD have better balance with the weight out back.
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The difference being, the Evo one works and handles well...
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Originally Posted by jayk
I haven't driven the ms6 yet so can't actually speak to the handling, my point was just that the AWD configuration is most likely not the cause of any bad handling. A bad implementation maybe...
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Here's my take, the MS6 is in a class of two, the Legacy GT and the MS6. Others like comparably priced x-drive beemers and A4 are not sporty enough, while others like the STI and Evo are not luxurious at all, or refined for that matter.
So against the Legacy GT, I'm not sure I'd pick the MS6 over it. Considering it had the benefit of being second to market, I think Mazda could have done a better job.
But I would take a MS6 over a STI or a Evo, which are heavily based on the budget impreza and lancer models. We all drive our cars 95% of the time in commute mode. Why would I want to sit in a jap econobox all that time, just to have slightly better performance the other 5% of the time? Don't think so.
So against the Legacy GT, I'm not sure I'd pick the MS6 over it. Considering it had the benefit of being second to market, I think Mazda could have done a better job.
But I would take a MS6 over a STI or a Evo, which are heavily based on the budget impreza and lancer models. We all drive our cars 95% of the time in commute mode. Why would I want to sit in a jap econobox all that time, just to have slightly better performance the other 5% of the time? Don't think so.
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Originally Posted by 9291150
Here's my take, the MS6 is in a class of two, the Legacy GT and the MS6. Others like comparably priced x-drive beemers and A4 are not sporty enough, while others like the STI and Evo are not luxurious at all, or refined for that matter.
So against the Legacy GT, I'm not sure I'd pick the MS6 over it. Considering it had the benefit of being second to market, I think Mazda could have done a better job.
But I would take a MS6 over a STI or a Evo, which are heavily based on the budget impreza and lancer models. We all drive our cars 95% of the time in commute mode. Why would I want to sit in a jap econobox all that time, just to have slightly better performance the other 5% of the time? Don't think so.
So against the Legacy GT, I'm not sure I'd pick the MS6 over it. Considering it had the benefit of being second to market, I think Mazda could have done a better job.
But I would take a MS6 over a STI or a Evo, which are heavily based on the budget impreza and lancer models. We all drive our cars 95% of the time in commute mode. Why would I want to sit in a jap econobox all that time, just to have slightly better performance the other 5% of the time? Don't think so.
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Originally Posted by Ike
Funny, because I look at it like I have much better performance 100% of the time.
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It's not faster than the new Legacy, though it's closer than the Road & Track comparo would indicate, 14.8 vs. 13.7 1/4 mile. It'll be solved eventually, but right now Mazda seems to be scrambling for a fix and playing dumb like they aren't aware of the issue. Maybe the MS6 will break the RX-8 record for the most flashes ever in the first couple years of production.
THE AMERICAN MS6 IS HAVING PROBLEMS IF YOU ONLY CAN GET A 14.8
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Originally Posted by Ike
I agree, it's not fair to compare the MS6 to the STI and Evo. However the MS6 falls short compared to many other cars in its segment. It's confused about what it wants to be, and it doesn't shine in any one area, it doesn't even shine at being the best compromise of luxury and performance.