8 MT compared to New MAZDASPEED 6 MT
02-22-2006 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jayk
I'm pretty sure the EVO has the same AWD layout (FWD full time sending power to the back as needed). Not the exact same system, but same functionality.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
Unless you're talking about power-on oversteer I don't see how the driving wheels will affect handling. I've always heard its primarily a weight-balance issue. FWD and AWD have more weight up front which makes them front-heavy. While most RWD have better balance with the weight out back.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
Unless you're talking about power-on oversteer I don't see how the driving wheels will affect handling. I've always heard its primarily a weight-balance issue. FWD and AWD have more weight up front which makes them front-heavy. While most RWD have better balance with the weight out back.
If driving wheels don't make a difference there wouldn't be different drivetrains in the first place. Don't think "Power oversteer", think "Slip Angles"; they don't have to be obvious to tell that they are happening every moment you drive. Every time you turn your steering, microspin is always happening.
02-22-2006 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
I said in my expirience, the ms6 its not runnig 14.8 in the 1/4 my friends car best time was 13.9 and he has race a legacy gt a lot of times and beat hin by 2 cars
THE AMERICAN MS6 IS HAVING PROBLEMS IF YOU ONLY CAN GET A 14.8
THE AMERICAN MS6 IS HAVING PROBLEMS IF YOU ONLY CAN GET A 14.8
02-22-2006 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 9291150
Actually, a base lancer would have a better ride, be much quieter, comfortable, better fuel economy, etc, than your evo for 95% of the driving you do when commuting. Unless, of course, you only use your evo for street racing to work.
On my daily drives I get plenty of driving enjoyment.
02-22-2006 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
They went with the MZR because the market wants turbo 4 cylinder engines. Unfortunately Mazda has never been very good with 4 cylinder turbo engines. If they ever figure out how to make a car with the great chassis they are known for and a great engine it's scary to think how good the cars could be. The RX-8 is the closest they've come to having both, but they fall a little short with the Renesis in my eyes, but I'm a horsepower junkie.
Not me. I don't particularly care for four bangers nor turbos. I'd have been happy with a hot V6. Oh well... hopefully the r32 (or r36) will be making it to the US.
Many don't think so, but I prefer the looks of the Legacy GT to the MS6. I think Mazda missed the mark... with the big, ugly, heavy hood and stupid black rear bumper... the car looks less classy than the Legacy GT. Everytime I see a Legacy B4 (this is JDM) in black or dark blue... I can't help but think how sexy that car looks.
02-23-2006 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Roaddemon
WHY NOT FORGET THESE 4 BANGER TURBOS AND BUY A 2006 260HP OR 300HP pontiac GRANPRIX? More car for the money.
I'm sure we can disagree on anything automotive.
02-23-2006 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hondasr4kids
I hate the Legacy It like a wanabe of something. It like so fake (luxury dept.) My brother has one and I can't stand riding on it.
I couldn't agree with you more.
The Legacy falls short compared to many other cars in its segment. It's confused about what it wants to be, and it doesn't shine in any one area, it doesn't even shine at being the best compromise of luxury and performance.
02-23-2006 | 08:07 PM
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The MPS 6 is a unique concept. Yes, UNIQUE. Mazda has created yet another niche within a niche. They got some issues to iron out. The interior doesn't need to be more luxurious because that would put it into a perceptual territory that covers 3-series, TL, IS, GS, and you don't want to go there. All it needs is a freshened up interior, one more like the RX8's and Miata's. It's not really about more luxurious.
02-23-2006 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
You're missing the point that the MS6 can't even handle tghe horsepower it has now. The ECU is pulling timing in stock form, it's even running like crap for Magazine reviews. In addition the handling has been pretty widely critisized. If that's what you want out of you family car knock yourself out.
02-23-2006 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
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Originally Posted by hondasr4kids
Loose? I didn't know my personal opinion was on a competition. To me Subarus are over-rated. The MS 6 is not a track car but it has what I'm looking for. The problem the MS 6 has with the power is the mounting of the i/c and no ventilation, easy fix if I was worry about hp # other wise I would keep the 8. The only other car that I will consider is a BMW E39 M5. Is a bit more $ but it is a better car also.
03-09-2006 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yiksing
Disagree, the one in the EVO is definitely different, most AWD started off as 50:50 torque spilt then added stuff to split more power to the rear to reduce understeer. The one's on the MPS is totally FWD in normal driving, only does a 50:50 or some other ratio torque split. Basically you can say EVO is more like AWD emulating RWD when needed, MPS 6 is more like FWD emulating AWD when needed. Additionally the torque split electronics in the EVO or STI is doing a hell of a job to improve handling in comparison with the MPS 6. That makes a whole lot difference to handling dynamics in my opinion.
If driving wheels don't make a difference there wouldn't be different drivetrains in the first place. Don't think "Power oversteer", think "Slip Angles"; they don't have to be obvious to tell that they are happening every moment you drive. Every time you turn your steering, microspin is always happening.
If driving wheels don't make a difference there wouldn't be different drivetrains in the first place. Don't think "Power oversteer", think "Slip Angles"; they don't have to be obvious to tell that they are happening every moment you drive. Every time you turn your steering, microspin is always happening.
03-09-2006 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by yiksing
Disagree, the one in the EVO is definitely different, most AWD started off as 50:50 torque spilt then added stuff to split more power to the rear to reduce understeer. The one's on the MPS is totally FWD in normal driving, only does a 50:50 or some other ratio torque split. Basically you can say EVO is more like AWD emulating RWD when needed, MPS 6 is more like FWD emulating AWD when needed. Additionally the torque split electronics in the EVO or STI is doing a hell of a job to improve handling in comparison with the MPS 6. That makes a whole lot difference to handling dynamics in my opinion.
If driving wheels don't make a difference there wouldn't be different drivetrains in the first place. Don't think "Power oversteer", think "Slip Angles"; they don't have to be obvious to tell that they are happening every moment you drive. Every time you turn your steering, microspin is always happening.
If driving wheels don't make a difference there wouldn't be different drivetrains in the first place. Don't think "Power oversteer", think "Slip Angles"; they don't have to be obvious to tell that they are happening every moment you drive. Every time you turn your steering, microspin is always happening.
I still believe that a well executed front-biased drivetrain could handle well, mazda just -apparently- screwed this one up. I remember back in the day the prelude sh (or whatever) was considered one of the best handling cars because of its 50/50 weight balance even though it was front-drive.
03-10-2006 | 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Vrimmick
Unfortunately you're not correct on the EVO. EVO is also FWD in normal driving and adds rear axle only when necessary - exactly the same as msp6 does. It is a completely different setup than WRX family - which is 50:50 all the time, adding more torque to the rear when needed.
03-10-2006 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
The WRX family is not 50:50 all the time so you're both incorrect.
But my actual point was about the EVO, which is front-baised just like the MS6..
03-12-2006 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
where did you hear that evo is front biased? got any proof?
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
03-12-2006 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jayk
I never said it was 50/50 all the time, but it is true that the wrx actually starts out more rear biased than front and transfers a max of 50 percent to the front as needed.
But my actual point was about the EVO, which is front-baised just like the MS6..
But my actual point was about the EVO, which is front-baised just like the MS6..
I said both because vrimmick tried to correct Yiksing and they were both wrong.
03-13-2006 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
No... but vrimmick did, which is why I quoted him rather than you.
I said both because vrimmick tried to correct Yiksing and they were both wrong.
I said both because vrimmick tried to correct Yiksing and they were both wrong.
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