8 years, 100,000 mi extended warranty.
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Yeah, the dealer is just trying to bilk you for money.
In a warranty replacement, the dealer bills Mazda for the parts and labor anyway, so if they bill you for part of it, they are just trying to steal from you. If they accept it under warranty at all, then the engine and labor are covered, both. They can't partially cover it. So either you are getting it out of warranty and just have to pay labor and the dealer soaks the cost of the parts, or they billed both to Mazda under warranty and are just ripping you off on the rest.
Since you are past the Powertrain warranty, you probably will have SOME charge, $300-$600 range, as there are many things that should be replaced with the engine that are not covered by the warranty. Such as the fuel lines (failure to replace means the clip is weak and the line may pop off, pumping fuel into the engine bay, exhaust, etc... Several destroyed 8s).
But the engine itself, and the labor associated with replacement, are combined warranty items. Can't split them.
The diagnosis is also free if it determines the engine needs replacement under warranty.
If it doesn't diagnose any warranty items, the diagnosis charge is still on you.
In a warranty replacement, the dealer bills Mazda for the parts and labor anyway, so if they bill you for part of it, they are just trying to steal from you. If they accept it under warranty at all, then the engine and labor are covered, both. They can't partially cover it. So either you are getting it out of warranty and just have to pay labor and the dealer soaks the cost of the parts, or they billed both to Mazda under warranty and are just ripping you off on the rest.
Since you are past the Powertrain warranty, you probably will have SOME charge, $300-$600 range, as there are many things that should be replaced with the engine that are not covered by the warranty. Such as the fuel lines (failure to replace means the clip is weak and the line may pop off, pumping fuel into the engine bay, exhaust, etc... Several destroyed 8s).
But the engine itself, and the labor associated with replacement, are combined warranty items. Can't split them.
The diagnosis is also free if it determines the engine needs replacement under warranty.
If it doesn't diagnose any warranty items, the diagnosis charge is still on you.
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I have been reading for the past couple of weeks and have not found any conclusive data. My 04 is getting a new engine from the dealer. I understand paying for replacement parts such as coils, wires and actuators. However, the dealer is telling me that they want labor to put the new parts on. I am under the impression that if these parts were not bad they would transfer them from the old engine to the new at no additional cost. Is there anything in writting that specifies what is covered during the engine warranty repairs?
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Mazda is replacing my engine and cat converter
So it seems that Mazda has changed their tune and I finally got the call that Mazda is going to replace my whole engine (including plugs and wires)and cat converter under warranty and my only cost is going to be the $320 fee to diagnose the car. I'm stuck with no wheels for the next month or however long it takes. Like I stated before its an 05 gt with 67k on the original engine. The engine never completely died just lost power past 6k rpms and my local shop said my plugs and wires were fine. I bought it used in 09 with 35k on it and have had very little issues till the loss of power except a bit of hesitation around 7k rpms which the first dealer I took it 2 denied was even happening when I took it in under the full warranty I had till 50k miles. I'm relieved that they are replacing the defective parts on this car but now I am debating whether to keep the car when I get it back. I am barely able to keep up with my payments as it is now and I have over 3 years left on my loan. I had an 91 Rx-7 that last me almost 200k and while I am no mechanic I know how to maintain a rotary engine, but after reading the hell that others have been put through with this car(some on their 3rd engine) and the horrible mpgs I get whether I drive it the way I'd like or shift at 3 to 4k rpms I am worried about going through this process again. Any recommendations or advice would be helpful from the experts on this forum as I seem to be getting a lot of misinformation from the dealer and the guy handling my claim. Thanks guys.
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So it seems that Mazda has changed their tune and I finally got the call that Mazda is going to replace my whole engine (including plugs and wires)and cat converter under warranty and my only cost is going to be the $320 fee to diagnose the car. I'm stuck with no wheels for the next month or however long it takes. Like I stated before its an 05 gt with 67k on the original engine. The engine never completely died just lost power past 6k rpms and my local shop said my plugs and wires were fine. I bought it used in 09 with 35k on it and have had very little issues till the loss of power except a bit of hesitation around 7k rpms which the first dealer I took it 2 denied was even happening when I took it in under the full warranty I had till 50k miles. I'm relieved that they are replacing the defective parts on this car but now I am debating whether to keep the car when I get it back. I am barely able to keep up with my payments as it is now and I have over 3 years left on my loan. I had an 91 Rx-7 that last me almost 200k and while I am no mechanic I know how to maintain a rotary engine, but after reading the hell that others have been put through with this car(some on their 3rd engine) and the horrible mpgs I get whether I drive it the way I'd like or shift at 3 to 4k rpms I am worried about going through this process again. Any recommendations or advice would be helpful from the experts on this forum as I seem to be getting a lot of misinformation from the dealer and the guy handling my claim. Thanks guys.
The rotary is a different car, requires a unique mindset to care for it. Chances are, with a new reman in, it should last another 100k+ without a problem for the engine again. But, that doesn't mean other stuff won't fail as any high mileage car will have stuff that fails.
All of that aside though, if you are having trouble with the payments, trade up for a car you can better afford, and come back to the 8 when it is financially viable. I would say this even if you have a perfectly running 8.
06-20-2011, 05:27 AM
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I have been reading for the past couple of weeks and have not found any conclusive data. My 04 is getting a new engine from the dealer. I understand paying for replacement parts such as coils, wires and actuators. However, the dealer is telling me that they want labor to put the new parts on. I am under the impression that if these parts were not bad they would transfer them from the old engine to the new at no additional cost. Is there anything in writting that specifies what is covered during the engine warranty repairs?
Any dealer that wants you to pay for one of the two is usually trying to bilk you out of money.
The only exception to this is if it is actually NOT warranty service, and the dealer is just splitting the costs out of the goodness of their hearts.
Which I am extremely skeptical about....
The engine warranty itself only covers the engine core (including all internal parts), and the labor to install it...which means the labor to remove the old engine as well, and the labor to install the accessories and items on the new engine.
06-20-2011, 12:01 PM
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I would recommend selling it, swapping for a different car. I bolded in red your line that makes me say this.
The rotary is a different car, requires a unique mindset to care for it. Chances are, with a new reman in, it should last another 100k+ without a problem for the engine again. But, that doesn't mean other stuff won't fail as any high mileage car will have stuff that fails.
All of that aside though, if you are having trouble with the payments, trade up for a car you can better afford, and come back to the 8 when it is financially viable. I would say this even if you have a perfectly running 8.
The rotary is a different car, requires a unique mindset to care for it. Chances are, with a new reman in, it should last another 100k+ without a problem for the engine again. But, that doesn't mean other stuff won't fail as any high mileage car will have stuff that fails.
All of that aside though, if you are having trouble with the payments, trade up for a car you can better afford, and come back to the 8 when it is financially viable. I would say this even if you have a perfectly running 8.
Agreed. I have a 04 8 on it's third engine. According to the warranty history it should last another 4 years or so before it blows again, ha. Although I suspect that the guy who had it before had no idea how to take care of it properly so the engine may last much longer now. However little things do keep going out on mine, which I think is cursed, so you may want to get a more affordable car.
I had to budget in $500 a month for repairs on the 8 since things were breaking so often.
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Wanted to throw this out to you guys and vent a little in the process.
I bought my '04 two years ago out of state. When I got it home I had my dealer check it out and he said it was borderline needing a new engine (service write up actually said 'vacuum at borderline'). The tech had a lengthy discussion with me about the new engine procedure and that I could drive it until I was ready). Well, here I am two years later and at a great point in time to do this, especially since time is drawing near with the car being 7 years old and with 70,xxx miles. I took it in today for an oil change and to let them know I was ready to do this. They called me and told me all it needed was plugs. $350. I said no, and went through the whole story again. They said they would look and call back. They didn't call so I did, and they hadn't looked at it any more and said plugs were the answer. They wouldn't even compression test it again. Also after paying for the oil change and leaving I noticed they didn't do their 'full circle' check on the car which they always do , and there was no oil change sticker on the window like there always is. WTH is wrong with them? I have gone to them for 23 years and know them very well and I don't know what's going on with them. I have no idea what to do now. I am planning on scanning my original service sheet and sending to the service manger or some higher up about the engine findings along with their poor effort today and see where that gets me. I ask them how I could borderline need an engine 2 years ago with 37,xxx miles and now 2 years later with 70,xxx I don't and he literally said nothing. He had no answer.
So what are your thoughts? What would you do?
Thanks for listening.
I bought my '04 two years ago out of state. When I got it home I had my dealer check it out and he said it was borderline needing a new engine (service write up actually said 'vacuum at borderline'). The tech had a lengthy discussion with me about the new engine procedure and that I could drive it until I was ready). Well, here I am two years later and at a great point in time to do this, especially since time is drawing near with the car being 7 years old and with 70,xxx miles. I took it in today for an oil change and to let them know I was ready to do this. They called me and told me all it needed was plugs. $350. I said no, and went through the whole story again. They said they would look and call back. They didn't call so I did, and they hadn't looked at it any more and said plugs were the answer. They wouldn't even compression test it again. Also after paying for the oil change and leaving I noticed they didn't do their 'full circle' check on the car which they always do , and there was no oil change sticker on the window like there always is. WTH is wrong with them? I have gone to them for 23 years and know them very well and I don't know what's going on with them. I have no idea what to do now. I am planning on scanning my original service sheet and sending to the service manger or some higher up about the engine findings along with their poor effort today and see where that gets me. I ask them how I could borderline need an engine 2 years ago with 37,xxx miles and now 2 years later with 70,xxx I don't and he literally said nothing. He had no answer.
So what are your thoughts? What would you do?
Thanks for listening.
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What 'other' Mazda dealer is doing
Took car on Tuesday to 'other' Mazda dealer for a compression test. Took it in early and when I hadn't heard anything at the end of the day I called and they said they had been talking to Mazda and performing more tests. Today was day 2 and still hadn't heard anything. Called at end of day and they said Mazda was having them de-carb the engine. Then they were going to re-test and give Mazda the results with a possible engine replacement. So what I read into this is that it failed the test when I brought it in and Mazda has been having them do several things to see if it gets it to pass. Is this normal procedure?
At least is sounds somewhat hopeful, but I will say, if they get it to pass I intend to sell. If I get an engine, I will most likely keep.
At least is sounds somewhat hopeful, but I will say, if they get it to pass I intend to sell. If I get an engine, I will most likely keep.
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Yes, that is pretty typical. They are trying to avoid soaking the cost of an engine replacement, and those are typical items that can help improve compression to above spec.
Usually done within 4-6 hours though, and not several days. Crazy busy dealership (for their service bay size) maybe.
Usually done within 4-6 hours though, and not several days. Crazy busy dealership (for their service bay size) maybe.
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https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...47#post2495847
There is an attachment in that post with the actual warranty extension release.
You can also go to Mazdausa.com and register in Owners section, gives you access to stuff specific to your car, including the RX-8 core warranty extension information.
If you are past your powertrain warranty, then a "new engine" will not mean "free engine", as there are still things that need to be replaced that are not covered by the warranty extension. Things like the new fuel line (which if reused can pop off during driving, shooting fuel all over the engine bay, starting a potentially deadly fire....it's happened several times), the fluids they have to drain out to pull the old engine, replace in the new engine, etc...
These items are free if you are within the Powertrain warranty, but not if you are outside of it (even if you are within the 100k engine core warranty).
This isn't Mazda ripping you off, as they didn't have to extend the warranty at all.
There is an attachment in that post with the actual warranty extension release.
You can also go to Mazdausa.com and register in Owners section, gives you access to stuff specific to your car, including the RX-8 core warranty extension information.
If you are past your powertrain warranty, then a "new engine" will not mean "free engine", as there are still things that need to be replaced that are not covered by the warranty extension. Things like the new fuel line (which if reused can pop off during driving, shooting fuel all over the engine bay, starting a potentially deadly fire....it's happened several times), the fluids they have to drain out to pull the old engine, replace in the new engine, etc...
These items are free if you are within the Powertrain warranty, but not if you are outside of it (even if you are within the 100k engine core warranty).
This isn't Mazda ripping you off, as they didn't have to extend the warranty at all.
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RX-8 Rotary Engine Core Limited Warranty Extension
Mazda Motor Corporation is extending the warranty coverage on Rotary Engine Core Components on all RX-8 vehicles produced after the 2004 model year. The warranty coverage for the Rotary Engine Core Components is extended to 8 years (96 months) from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000 mileage limitation. The following is a list of components covered by this warranty:
Rotary Engine Core
Rotary Housing and Internal Parts
Internal Seals and Gaskets
Mazda Motor Corporation is extending the warranty coverage on Rotary Engine Core Components on all RX-8 vehicles produced after the 2004 model year. The warranty coverage for the Rotary Engine Core Components is extended to 8 years (96 months) from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000 mileage limitation. The following is a list of components covered by this warranty:
Rotary Engine Core
Rotary Housing and Internal Parts
Internal Seals and Gaskets
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I believe that is correct. if I get an engine out of this I will make sure it gets plugs, coils, wires, and upgrade the starter during the rebuild since I will pay only for those parts, not labor.
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https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.ph...47#post2495847
There is an attachment in that post with the actual warranty extension release.
You can also go to Mazdausa.com and register in Owners section, gives you access to stuff specific to your car, including the RX-8 core warranty extension information.
If you are past your powertrain warranty, then a "new engine" will not mean "free engine", as there are still things that need to be replaced that are not covered by the warranty extension. Things like the new fuel line (which if reused can pop off during driving, shooting fuel all over the engine bay, starting a potentially deadly fire....it's happened several times), the fluids they have to drain out to pull the old engine, replace in the new engine, etc...
These items are free if you are within the Powertrain warranty, but not if you are outside of it (even if you are within the 100k engine core warranty).
This isn't Mazda ripping you off, as they didn't have to extend the warranty at all.
There is an attachment in that post with the actual warranty extension release.
You can also go to Mazdausa.com and register in Owners section, gives you access to stuff specific to your car, including the RX-8 core warranty extension information.
If you are past your powertrain warranty, then a "new engine" will not mean "free engine", as there are still things that need to be replaced that are not covered by the warranty extension. Things like the new fuel line (which if reused can pop off during driving, shooting fuel all over the engine bay, starting a potentially deadly fire....it's happened several times), the fluids they have to drain out to pull the old engine, replace in the new engine, etc...
These items are free if you are within the Powertrain warranty, but not if you are outside of it (even if you are within the 100k engine core warranty).
This isn't Mazda ripping you off, as they didn't have to extend the warranty at all.
06-29-2011, 05:28 PM
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I would caution you on that.
The dealer price for each of those items, even just parts, is still far more than you will pay if you just buy them yourself and replace. Every single part you mentioned is cheaply obtained outside of dealers, and REALLY easy to replace.
Plugs: $80 (or less, it seems the prices dip more frequently) for all 4, 10 minutes to change yourself without even jacking up the car or taking the wheel off. Dealer price $150+ just parts.
Wires: $60+ (depending on what brand / size you go with) for all 4, 5 minutes to change yourself, dealer price $150+ just parts.
Coils: $140 for all 4 from Mazmart here on RX-8 club, or even cheaper from autozone/advance as it is now a publicly available part. About 20 minutes to change with a single 10mm socket. Dealer price is $50-$80 EACH, total price $200 to $300 range, just parts
Starter: $300 for a brand new one from Mazmart ($450+ dealer price), and it's 2 bolts and 1 electrical clip, have to jack up the car, but swappable in less than 20 minutes.
If you still don't want to do it yourself, buy the parts yourself and hand them over. Don't voluntarily get raped on price.
The main item you MUST make sure they change is that fuel rail line. Brand new. Insist on it if they put up a fight.
Burned Shinka: https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/rip-05-shinka-my-sad-tale-212916/
Blown engine due to sudden lean spike, fortunately no fire: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/beware-fuel-fittings-180260/
Destroyed 8 from fire: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/mazda-caught-my-rx8-fire-115738/
Shocked this one wasn't an immediate fireball: https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/major-engine-issues-159751/
Completely destroyed 8, nearly killed the tech: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/my-car-dead-stealership-giving-me-run-around-196653/
etc....
REPLACE THAT FUEL LINE!
The dealer price for each of those items, even just parts, is still far more than you will pay if you just buy them yourself and replace. Every single part you mentioned is cheaply obtained outside of dealers, and REALLY easy to replace.
Plugs: $80 (or less, it seems the prices dip more frequently) for all 4, 10 minutes to change yourself without even jacking up the car or taking the wheel off. Dealer price $150+ just parts.
Wires: $60+ (depending on what brand / size you go with) for all 4, 5 minutes to change yourself, dealer price $150+ just parts.
Coils: $140 for all 4 from Mazmart here on RX-8 club, or even cheaper from autozone/advance as it is now a publicly available part. About 20 minutes to change with a single 10mm socket. Dealer price is $50-$80 EACH, total price $200 to $300 range, just parts
Starter: $300 for a brand new one from Mazmart ($450+ dealer price), and it's 2 bolts and 1 electrical clip, have to jack up the car, but swappable in less than 20 minutes.
If you still don't want to do it yourself, buy the parts yourself and hand them over. Don't voluntarily get raped on price.
The main item you MUST make sure they change is that fuel rail line. Brand new. Insist on it if they put up a fight.
Burned Shinka: https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/rip-05-shinka-my-sad-tale-212916/
Blown engine due to sudden lean spike, fortunately no fire: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/beware-fuel-fittings-180260/
Destroyed 8 from fire: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/mazda-caught-my-rx8-fire-115738/
Shocked this one wasn't an immediate fireball: https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/major-engine-issues-159751/
Completely destroyed 8, nearly killed the tech: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/my-car-dead-stealership-giving-me-run-around-196653/
etc....
REPLACE THAT FUEL LINE!
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I would caution you on that.
The dealer price for each of those items, even just parts, is still far more than you will pay if you just buy them yourself and replace. Every single part you mentioned is cheaply obtained outside of dealers, and REALLY easy to replace.
Plugs: $80 (or less, it seems the prices dip more frequently) for all 4, 10 minutes to change yourself without even jacking up the car or taking the wheel off. Dealer price $150+ just parts.
Wires: $60+ (depending on what brand / size you go with) for all 4, 5 minutes to change yourself, dealer price $150+ just parts.
Coils: $140 for all 4 from Mazmart here on RX-8 club, or even cheaper from autozone/advance as it is now a publicly available part. About 20 minutes to change with a single 10mm socket. Dealer price is $50-$80 EACH, total price $200 to $300 range, just parts
Starter: $300 for a brand new one from Mazmart ($450+ dealer price), and it's 2 bolts and 1 electrical clip, have to jack up the car, but swappable in less than 20 minutes.
If you still don't want to do it yourself, buy the parts yourself and hand them over. Don't voluntarily get raped on price.
The main item you MUST make sure they change is that fuel rail line. Brand new. Insist on it if they put up a fight.
Burned Shinka: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=212916
Blown engine due to sudden lean spike, fortunately no fire: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=180260
Destroyed 8 from fire: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=115738
Shocked this one wasn't an immediate fireball: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=159751
Completely destroyed 8, nearly killed the tech: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=196653
etc....
REPLACE THAT FUEL LINE!
The dealer price for each of those items, even just parts, is still far more than you will pay if you just buy them yourself and replace. Every single part you mentioned is cheaply obtained outside of dealers, and REALLY easy to replace.
Plugs: $80 (or less, it seems the prices dip more frequently) for all 4, 10 minutes to change yourself without even jacking up the car or taking the wheel off. Dealer price $150+ just parts.
Wires: $60+ (depending on what brand / size you go with) for all 4, 5 minutes to change yourself, dealer price $150+ just parts.
Coils: $140 for all 4 from Mazmart here on RX-8 club, or even cheaper from autozone/advance as it is now a publicly available part. About 20 minutes to change with a single 10mm socket. Dealer price is $50-$80 EACH, total price $200 to $300 range, just parts
Starter: $300 for a brand new one from Mazmart ($450+ dealer price), and it's 2 bolts and 1 electrical clip, have to jack up the car, but swappable in less than 20 minutes.
If you still don't want to do it yourself, buy the parts yourself and hand them over. Don't voluntarily get raped on price.
The main item you MUST make sure they change is that fuel rail line. Brand new. Insist on it if they put up a fight.
Burned Shinka: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=212916
Blown engine due to sudden lean spike, fortunately no fire: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=180260
Destroyed 8 from fire: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=115738
Shocked this one wasn't an immediate fireball: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=159751
Completely destroyed 8, nearly killed the tech: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=196653
etc....
REPLACE THAT FUEL LINE!
If I get an engine, I will make sure the fuel line mentioned is new.
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The word is in; New engine.
It is supposed to be here later this week.
I will now compose a letter to my favorite old Mazda dealer. I sure wish they would've tested the engine like I told them to. Their rotary tech is a genius. Now I have it at a dealer I have never been to. Hope they know their sh*t about replacing an engine.
It is supposed to be here later this week.
I will now compose a letter to my favorite old Mazda dealer. I sure wish they would've tested the engine like I told them to. Their rotary tech is a genius. Now I have it at a dealer I have never been to. Hope they know their sh*t about replacing an engine.
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The housings, rotors, internal seals and gaskets. And that's it. (well, plus the labor to do the removal of old and install of new)
