Any updates on Scott at Mazsport?
09-16-2009, 03:38 PM
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^^ wow, I guess I expect a lot then. I'm a business major, and I believe that an ethical busnessman should always act in ways similar to that story. It's a messed up world out there though. It is obvious that one could argue that scott ran his business poorly and unethically. My question is why would he not want to fix all of this?
09-16-2009, 05:07 PM
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...and if you still take orders while filing for bankruptcy you're a thief,
...if you sell your customers unused parts without authorization your a thief,
...if you take your customers cars for years after telling them that they would be done in months and let them pay the "parking" too, then you're a thief
That's the wrong way of running a business.
...if you sell your customers unused parts without authorization your a thief,
...if you take your customers cars for years after telling them that they would be done in months and let them pay the "parking" too, then you're a thief
That's the wrong way of running a business.
09-16-2009, 05:24 PM
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09-16-2009, 05:32 PM
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Really the 20b incident aside, there were many others who were straight up ripped off. I understand why he bolted and I think he really is just a lucky guy. Must be nice to rip people off and then go on living and earning. But in the end it's not my place to personally judge him and the time will come when he has to answer for his actions.
09-16-2009, 06:21 PM
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I will call him a thief.
All issues about my fuel pump situation aside, he asked me to mail him the pump to investigate. Then he closed shop and kept my parts. Not that I would want it (since it was crap), but the part did not belong to him and it wouldn't have cost him a dime for me to drive over and pick it up (He was 20 minutes from my house).
What he did to stick was horrendous, and that was not the only high dollar screwup.
All issues about my fuel pump situation aside, he asked me to mail him the pump to investigate. Then he closed shop and kept my parts. Not that I would want it (since it was crap), but the part did not belong to him and it wouldn't have cost him a dime for me to drive over and pick it up (He was 20 minutes from my house).
What he did to stick was horrendous, and that was not the only high dollar screwup.
09-16-2009, 06:32 PM
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What you guys should be asking, is: where did all the parts go that Scott had still in inventory when he closed up? Almost every part he made was built to order, so they were already paid for by customers who never received them.
Would it **** you off if you found out that you paid twice for the same item? I bet some of you have done exactly that.
09-16-2009, 08:14 PM
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What you guys should be asking, is: where did all the parts go that Scott had still in inventory when he closed up? Almost every part he made was built to order, so they were already paid for by customers who never received them.
Would it **** you off if you found out that you paid twice for the same item? I bet some of you have done exactly that.
Would it **** you off if you found out that you paid twice for the same item? I bet some of you have done exactly that.
09-17-2009, 10:46 AM
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Damn, 2 pages of this and it's rather evident who thinks Scott did little wrong no matter what evidence is out there. Bottom line is when you make a deal on a project you may want to have everything in line before the project starts, especially if you're going to take someone's money. It's obvious what kinda shop Scott was running before he broke into the Rx8 community.
These problems don't stem from this community alone. Scott's business tactics did not change over night because of this forum. There are a few items and installs that were done with using the customers money to pay for the parts and labor. That is not a bad tactic but you better make damn sure you take what you need and use that money for that project only. Don't take money from a customer for a product, turn around and use that money to pay for another. It's immoral and b.s. And correct me if I am wrong but don't companies get their product development expenses back when a product sells? I'm pretty sure all expenses are included in a product as well as company profit in it's purchase price. But hell what do I know about business.
I have had dealings with Scott when I got the A.P. He wanted me to ditch my A.P. for beliefs that what he could with his tuning system was superior to what MM offered. Knowing Mysql just had is engine damaged with a strong possibilty it being because of Scott's coil kit, he wanted me to bring mine in. I'll leave what was discussed to myself but it seemed like if my engine blew because of him I would have to deal with it because it was just "testing."
I don't care who I buy my products from. I only pay for good items and deal with good business people no matter who they are, hell I will even buy from Fluid, uh Roots Racing
if I get what I pay for. Scott screwed up at no fault to any individual on this forum.
These problems don't stem from this community alone. Scott's business tactics did not change over night because of this forum. There are a few items and installs that were done with using the customers money to pay for the parts and labor. That is not a bad tactic but you better make damn sure you take what you need and use that money for that project only. Don't take money from a customer for a product, turn around and use that money to pay for another. It's immoral and b.s. And correct me if I am wrong but don't companies get their product development expenses back when a product sells? I'm pretty sure all expenses are included in a product as well as company profit in it's purchase price. But hell what do I know about business.
I have had dealings with Scott when I got the A.P. He wanted me to ditch my A.P. for beliefs that what he could with his tuning system was superior to what MM offered. Knowing Mysql just had is engine damaged with a strong possibilty it being because of Scott's coil kit, he wanted me to bring mine in. I'll leave what was discussed to myself but it seemed like if my engine blew because of him I would have to deal with it because it was just "testing."
I don't care who I buy my products from. I only pay for good items and deal with good business people no matter who they are, hell I will even buy from Fluid, uh Roots Racing
if I get what I pay for. Scott screwed up at no fault to any individual on this forum.
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09-17-2009, 02:38 PM
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OK, maybe i need to put it in more simple terms for some people. If someone came up to BHR and said they would pay you any price you wanted to build a midpipe that wrapped around the car and acted like a roll cage for their showcar, and you knew you could do it but was going to take you 3 months to design and build - i'm pretty sure if the offer was accepted BHR would charge that single customer all the development and manufacturing costs because there is absolutely zero market for that item.
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
09-17-2009, 04:18 PM
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09-17-2009, 04:27 PM
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OK, maybe i need to put it in more simple terms for some people. If someone came up to BHR and said they would pay you any price you wanted to build a midpipe that wrapped around the car and acted like a roll cage for their showcar, and you knew you could do it but was going to take you 3 months to design and build - i'm pretty sure if the offer was accepted BHR would charge that single customer all the development and manufacturing costs because there is absolutely zero market for that item.
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
Let the door hit you in the *** on the way out. Try and get the doorknob stuck up your bunghole. Maybe it will dislodge your head.
09-17-2009, 04:29 PM
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OK, maybe i need to put it in more simple terms for some people. If someone came up to BHR and said they would pay you any price you wanted to build a midpipe that wrapped around the car and acted like a roll cage for their showcar, and you knew you could do it but was going to take you 3 months to design and build - i'm pretty sure if the offer was accepted BHR would charge that single customer all the development and manufacturing costs because there is absolutely zero market for that item.
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
Then raise the price up a bit, then you sell your customer's stuff without authorization while asking for something more from him instead, then again come up with crappy, useless, tape-held intake runners, then double the time and after another while you double it again and then run away leaving the customer with his car destroyed?
This happened for a turbo kit first and 20b swap, then mysql sent his pump for "testing" and...
Tired of this crap though, all i know is that there are vendors here like Mazmart and BHR that offer something more than "products": loyalty and a customer service!
09-17-2009, 04:30 PM
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OK, maybe i need to put it in more simple terms for some people. If someone came up to BHR and said they would pay you any price you wanted to build a midpipe that wrapped around the car and acted like a roll cage for their showcar, and you knew you could do it but was going to take you 3 months to design and build - i'm pretty sure if the offer was accepted BHR would charge that single customer all the development and manufacturing costs because there is absolutely zero market for that item.
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
Hmm, from what I've been reading, Scott has been doing what kills most business owners ------ trying too many things at the same time.
I mean he is a nice person, he lend me the fuel cap tool for free (with deposit) but hmm ... he got a lot of parts from lots of people and he just closed his doors down ... is kinda wrong.
09-17-2009, 05:07 PM
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OK, maybe i need to put it in more simple terms for some people. If someone came up to BHR and said they would pay you any price you wanted to build a midpipe that wrapped around the car and acted like a roll cage for their showcar, and you knew you could do it but was going to take you 3 months to design and build - i'm pretty sure if the offer was accepted BHR would charge that single customer all the development and manufacturing costs because there is absolutely zero market for that item.
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
It should be fairly obvious that development costs for a single 1 off item is not the same as development costs for a mass produced item.... but oh wait, theres a shiny rx8club bandwagon that needs to be jumped on!
now i remember why i left this website a while back and will return to not caring about it
09-17-2009, 06:24 PM
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I think some people need to go back and re-read that whole development thread regarding stickman and also the statements made by the dozens of other people who commented that they had sent payment for ignition kits, clutch brackets and various other parts and never saw delivery or their money back.
Did some of you forget the "progress" pictures that were sent of the 20b install where parts were literally taped together in place to make it look like stuff was installed? How about the greddy turbo parts that were removed and SOLD without permission from the customer. Then when it was all done the customer was out tens of thousands of dollars and got back a 20b with an empty engine bay.
That's beyond a communication breakdown. That's beyond unanticpiated budget issues. That's beyond a vendor making mistakes and working to correct them. It was a shop owner refusing to admit a project was too large to handle or refusing to be honest with the customer about the costs involved as to not scare them away.
It's amazing that here we are over a year later and there are still those who place blame on everyone but the people who had the power to make everything right. Personal responsiblity, so rare it's damned near a superpower.
Did some of you forget the "progress" pictures that were sent of the 20b install where parts were literally taped together in place to make it look like stuff was installed? How about the greddy turbo parts that were removed and SOLD without permission from the customer. Then when it was all done the customer was out tens of thousands of dollars and got back a 20b with an empty engine bay.
That's beyond a communication breakdown. That's beyond unanticpiated budget issues. That's beyond a vendor making mistakes and working to correct them. It was a shop owner refusing to admit a project was too large to handle or refusing to be honest with the customer about the costs involved as to not scare them away.
It's amazing that here we are over a year later and there are still those who place blame on everyone but the people who had the power to make everything right. Personal responsiblity, so rare it's damned near a superpower.
09-17-2009, 06:31 PM
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Stick told me that Scott told him to remove negative comments from the forum or he wouldn't work on his car anymore. Then he'd ask for more money to continue the work, squeezing him for more and more money till Stick couldn't do it anymore.
People feared saying anything till they had their car back in their possession.
It's a shame that people like r0tor will basically tell those who got screwed over that they deserved it. I can only hope that r0tor gets to walk in their shoes one day.
People feared saying anything till they had their car back in their possession.
It's a shame that people like r0tor will basically tell those who got screwed over that they deserved it. I can only hope that r0tor gets to walk in their shoes one day.
09-17-2009, 06:40 PM
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Stick also told me that even after work stopped and he was trying to just get his car back, Scott was telling him that he still owed more money.
I have a ton of info like this that I never bothered posting. But you can get an idea of what was going on behind the scenes.
I have a ton of info like this that I never bothered posting. But you can get an idea of what was going on behind the scenes.
09-19-2009, 12:36 PM
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thought this was interesting
was on ebay today and saw that mazsport changed their ebay store name:
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...asynetexchange
Also it looks like they have been buying ls2 ignition coil harnesses
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...7359&viewitem=
If you look at this feedback page, you see how many times they were purchased:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...eedbackAsBuyer
Could mean nothing really; just an observation.
was on ebay today and saw that mazsport changed their ebay store name:
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...asynetexchange
Also it looks like they have been buying ls2 ignition coil harnesses
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...7359&viewitem=
If you look at this feedback page, you see how many times they were purchased:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...eedbackAsBuyer
Could mean nothing really; just an observation.
09-19-2009, 02:55 PM
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very interesting...