mlfarrell

no waiii

my 4 speed AT can't bet THIS slow. i'll time it and let you know. I usually hit 55+ at the end of redlining 1st gear. Unless my concept of time is warped.

dozer

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55mphs in 1st gear? HOLY CRAP, i know the MTs 3rd gear tops out at 91ish

renesisgenesis

hahhahaha automatic dose not take away the spirit of driving. Do you write your own material?

Also the comments on the auto 8 possessing the same if not better cornering characteristics are not intelligent. For at least half the corner, the car will typically be on throttle, so having the extra 40 bhp over the 4 speed AT's will actually give you more options during the actual corner, and will help to exzibit an overall better corner perforemance. Having that hugee chunk of power at high rpm over the autos effects the car on many parts of a course, not just the straights....

A car with not enough power will not be able to exzibit the same cornering qualities, especially on slower corners i would imagine, but probly on all different speeds.

mlfarrell

usually I'll check the spedo at the end of shifting up to 2nd and it'll be in the 50's. thats if I'm accelerating as hard quickly as possible though and shift at redline

Aznxkaiser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjOG5fRSd0
^
Been posted a thousand times but theres an example.

shazy

/\ Street Racing?

Jeez, and I thought I was ignorant, RenesisGen, please GTFO before Phil comes in here and woops your ***. Is a ban possible for stupidity and ignorance?

Edit: nvm, then everyone would be banned!! :P

On a side note, Rengen, there is a reason why you have Manual mode, it won't shift until you tell it to, so in a matter of fact, you have the same throttle response and still able to "drift" into a wall and die. The only limiting factor of the rx-8 A/T's is the slippage from each gear so that you won't be able to break the tires loose. If the tranny's were made to essentially "grab" the gears, it would resolve in a longer lasting tranny and a better performer. The only downside of that is it provides a harsher shifting transition. Here is an example of a G8 Auto that has a removed Torque management or something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV5FQf8zgCQ

See how it can burn second gear and chirp 3rd? If these tranny's could do that, I doubt that many will complain.

Aznxkaiser

It was just an example to show the comparison between AT 4port and MT straightline speed. 6portAT's also produce less power to the wheels compared to their MT counterparts.

renesisgenesis

I am not stating throttle response itself to the motor is any different. I realize there is a mode for allowing redline shifting. But, what I am stating is that the actual amount of power available would be less, so a driver has less to work with during any type of corner that involves the throttle at any point. Increasing radius corners for example might accentuate the need for more power during the actual turn. also, although i realize plenty of the time it is probably better to carve cleanly and smoothly on the racing line, but indeed sometimes it is benifecial to have more power to aid in better, stronger exits with higher speeds (which means the straights are even more of an advantage anyway) , and to also allow the driver to steer the caar more with the throttle at varying degrees of yaw, often veery little and more like a 4 wheel drift, but without enough power it is more difficult, less efective, and the driver has less options.

Easy_E1

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So your not talking about the Manual being better than the AT any more. Your talking about a car with more horsepower being better than a car with less HP. So if the AT had as much HP as the MT how would you feel about that?
Because my AT does.
Make up your mind.

Come for a ride with me. I'll show you how to use torque and the RPM range to handle the AT as good and most times better than the MT.

renesisgenesis

First of all, because the MT come stock with more power, it doesn't matter that your AT might be as fast in a straight line as a stock MT, because modding the MT is easier anyway; you start off already with more power...

Second, what is your basis for the claim that the auto would handle "most times better" than the MT? That just doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Easy_E1

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So you didn't answer my question.
"So if the AT had as much HP as the MT how would you feel about that?"
If the AT had the same gearing as the MT and the same HP you would still say the MT is better? Better in what way.

renesisgenesis

Well of course traditionally a manual gear change with a clutch and stick is considered to be more desired for a sporting automotive experience; requiring proper inputs including throttle/clutch modulation( the inputs for which must be dynamic and altered by the driver depending on many factors for each instance), as well as the need for heal n toe. Basically it is a less "automatic' experience, thus requiring more driver action and ultimately more involvement; the actions are performed by you, not a computer.

But I can see I am nearing the end of the objective spectrum here; So i guess it is subjective, meaning that it's ok to like something/dislike something for your own reasons, regardless of what any objective analysis can state.


Basicaly I am saying it is fine to like the auto for your own reasons, even if those reasons are silly.

Normality_Glitch

Whenever I see a sports car, the first thing I look at is the transmission. If it doesn't have a manual transmission, I immediately turn away and walk. I couldn't care less about the car at that point. A sports car is about the experience of driving a car, and having an automatic takes away from the experience entirely. This is just my opinion, obviously.

Phil's 8

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I started to answer the various posters and decided that if your that prejudiced and ignorant nothing I would say would change your mind. I would only suggest that before you knock something become informed - talk to the people in the know and have the experience. The experience of driving a sports car is in the whole body of the driver. I have a hard time understanding why someone who knows they are of the chosen ones would come to the AT forum or thread. I guess your the same as any self appointed preacher who is going to dam us all to hell because we don't agree with your warped sense of reality.

renesisgenesis

1. Yes, I am hella prejudiced against automatic "sports cars". How could one not be?
-If a potential buyer (much like yourself when you were in the market for the 8) is looking at the RX-8 and notices that it comes in AT and MT, I am absolutely amazed how anyone could compare the two choices and decide on the Auto...
The only reason I can think of would be if you are severely disabled and/or unable to use your left leg. Of course there is another reason.....maybe they don't know how to drive a stick...but I wouldn't admit that here...

So besides disabilities or lack of basic driving skills, why would one choose the auto?
(answers related to mpg/comfort/etc don't make sense considering this is a sports car with crappy fuel economy and limited interior/storage space anyway...)


Every statement I have made here about autos and mt's has been 100 percent true. These statements are thus not ignorant and only go in line with my opinion.

But of course, if one feels that a car with a less desirable feature somehow makes it better, then I guess that's your opinion, no matter how nonsensical it may be.

bad=good.....?

refugeefrompistons

How has this not been closed?

dozer

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!!!!!!!!!!! @ the word "HELLA" ahhhhhh figures that word comes from northern cali, and renesis is from oregon

alnielsen

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There are people that don't care about HP figures. They just like the way it corners, brakes and looks. If you live in a congested metro area, an auto is a lot easer to drive due to the stop & go traffic.

dozer

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i live in socal and when theres traffic i stay two cars behind and coast it in 1st gear...all this shiftin is just a habit, it like you learn to just do it...shifting in the 8 + a short shifter is WAY easy

EDZRIDE

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Well in my case, I have a lot of MT experience, but no longer get the "RUSH" of all the shifting especially in heavy traffic. My car is still a blast to drive though.

Phil's 8

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I believe that maybe I am causing this to go too far. Most posters have an open mind and see thru your rants. Good by!

kellyrx8

Is there an ignore feature on this board??? lol

renesisgenesis

One question: When you bought your 8, did you know how to drive a manual transmission?

StealthTL

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Stale.....

Closed.

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