Automatic RX8!
02-18-2003 | 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by wakeech
i suppose you're not down with the engineering, eh?? well, FYI, to the extent of my knowledge, it's impossible to make a slushbox (which is what the RX-8 will have) with more than 4 forward gears and reverse... those 5 and 6 speed autos are SMTs, i believe... and there's a rumour about Mazda developping a 5 speed SMT for future auto RX-8's...
i suppose you're not down with the engineering, eh?? well, FYI, to the extent of my knowledge, it's impossible to make a slushbox (which is what the RX-8 will have) with more than 4 forward gears and reverse... those 5 and 6 speed autos are SMTs, i believe... and there's a rumour about Mazda developping a 5 speed SMT for future auto RX-8's...
02-18-2003 | 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by wakeech
i suppose you're not down with the engineering, eh?? well, FYI, to the extent of my knowledge, it's impossible to make a slushbox (which is what the RX-8 will have) with more than 4 forward gears and reverse... those 5 and 6 speed autos are SMTs, i believe... and there's a rumour about Mazda developping a 5 speed SMT for future auto RX-8's...
i suppose you're not down with the engineering, eh?? well, FYI, to the extent of my knowledge, it's impossible to make a slushbox (which is what the RX-8 will have) with more than 4 forward gears and reverse... those 5 and 6 speed autos are SMTs, i believe... and there's a rumour about Mazda developping a 5 speed SMT for future auto RX-8's...
most cars now have 5 speed autos, thats pretty much the standard. hell bmw has a 6 speed auto. u dont need smg to have more then 4 gears.
and to put only 4 gears in a sports car(sporty car, whatever u wanna call it) is just plain stupid
02-18-2003 | 07:20 PM
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If you are physically infirm, I could see the automatic Rx-8 as a viable car.
The automatic Rx-8 is really slow, 0-60 in 8.5 1/4 in 16.5 @ 85, compared with 6.5 for the 6 speed Rx-8 and 15.0 @ 95. The Rx-8 auto is as fast as the new Accord 2.4 I4 automatic.
It has only been 13 years since the 5 speed automatic was introduced, and 10 years since you could get one in a car.
http://www.sovereign-publications.com/auto-art-2.htm
http://www.zf-group.co.uk/Press/6hp26pressrelease.htm
And now the heavy duty 6 speed from ZF, is in the V12 7 series-ZF 6hp32. in addition to the ZF 6 hp 26 The E49 new 5 series will have 6 speed automatics from day one, ZF 6 hp 19 for the new Valvetronic I6's, so the only BMW line that is in need one, is the 3 series. The new Audi S4 will get one a little latter this year.
The automatic Rx-8 is really slow, 0-60 in 8.5 1/4 in 16.5 @ 85, compared with 6.5 for the 6 speed Rx-8 and 15.0 @ 95. The Rx-8 auto is as fast as the new Accord 2.4 I4 automatic.
It has only been 13 years since the 5 speed automatic was introduced, and 10 years since you could get one in a car.
http://www.sovereign-publications.com/auto-art-2.htm
http://www.zf-group.co.uk/Press/6hp26pressrelease.htm
And now the heavy duty 6 speed from ZF, is in the V12 7 series-ZF 6hp32. in addition to the ZF 6 hp 26 The E49 new 5 series will have 6 speed automatics from day one, ZF 6 hp 19 for the new Valvetronic I6's, so the only BMW line that is in need one, is the 3 series. The new Audi S4 will get one a little latter this year.
02-18-2003 | 07:26 PM
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02-18-2003 | 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by MikeW
If you are physically infirm, I could see the automatic Rx-8 as a viable car.
The automatic Rx-8 is really slow, 0-60 in 8.5 1/4 in 16.5 @ 85, compared with 6.5 for the 6 speed Rx-8 and 15.0 @ 95. The Rx-8 auto is as fast as the new Accord 2.4 I4 automatic.
It has only been 13 years since the 5 speed automatic was introduced, and 10 years since you could get one in a car.
http://www.sovereign-publications.com/auto-art-2.htm
http://www.zf-group.co.uk/Press/6hp26pressrelease.htm
And now the heavy duty 6 speed from ZF, is in the V12 7 series-ZF 6hp32. in addition to the ZF 6 hp 26 The E49 new 5 series will have 6 speed automatics from day one, ZF 6 hp 19 for the new Valvetronic I6's, so the only BMW line that is in need one, is the 3 series. The new Audi S4 will get one a little latter this year.
If you are physically infirm, I could see the automatic Rx-8 as a viable car.
The automatic Rx-8 is really slow, 0-60 in 8.5 1/4 in 16.5 @ 85, compared with 6.5 for the 6 speed Rx-8 and 15.0 @ 95. The Rx-8 auto is as fast as the new Accord 2.4 I4 automatic.
It has only been 13 years since the 5 speed automatic was introduced, and 10 years since you could get one in a car.
http://www.sovereign-publications.com/auto-art-2.htm
http://www.zf-group.co.uk/Press/6hp26pressrelease.htm
And now the heavy duty 6 speed from ZF, is in the V12 7 series-ZF 6hp32. in addition to the ZF 6 hp 26 The E49 new 5 series will have 6 speed automatics from day one, ZF 6 hp 19 for the new Valvetronic I6's, so the only BMW line that is in need one, is the 3 series. The new Audi S4 will get one a little latter this year.
That's waaaayyy to slow. It seems as they made that for show only. I though cause it was a sport, it should be faster than mazda6. If u think about it, mazda6 stick shift 0-60 is 6.8 too.
02-18-2003 | 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Haris
That's waaaayyy to slow. It seems as they made that for show only. I though cause it was a sport, it should be faster than mazda6. If u think about it, mazda6 stick shift 0-60 is 6.8 too.
That's waaaayyy to slow. It seems as they made that for show only. I though cause it was a sport, it should be faster than mazda6. If u think about it, mazda6 stick shift 0-60 is 6.8 too.
and Mike, thanks for the links... but i still can't see in my mind the design of a 5 speed slushbox... or it's advantages (other than MAYBE cost) over a pneumatic or hydrolically actuated SMT...
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02-18-2003 | 10:30 PM
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02-19-2003 | 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by ohhno15
I just can't imagine why someone would want an automatic in a sports car. The whole idea is the driving experience, right? If I only wanted two pedals to push in a fun vehicle I'd buy a go-kart.
I understand that Mazda HAD to put autos out so they can sell more cars, but I feel that it removes the soul of the car. If I were Mazda and could ignore the financial aspect I wouldn't even offer it in auto.
But that's just what I think.
-Also, I'm gonna be pissed when I'm looking for a used RX8 and I walk up to it, look inside, and see an automatic. (Shaking my head)
I just can't imagine why someone would want an automatic in a sports car. The whole idea is the driving experience, right? If I only wanted two pedals to push in a fun vehicle I'd buy a go-kart.
I understand that Mazda HAD to put autos out so they can sell more cars, but I feel that it removes the soul of the car. If I were Mazda and could ignore the financial aspect I wouldn't even offer it in auto.
But that's just what I think.
-Also, I'm gonna be pissed when I'm looking for a used RX8 and I walk up to it, look inside, and see an automatic. (Shaking my head)
Ohhno15: i know how u feel... but where i live, some of the Royal Family in Brunei have Ferrari Modena Station Wagon in an auto!!! :D now this is a family Sport Car!!!
so not everyone is like u dude...it will definitely be a plus if its a 5 or 6 speed auto... just my 0.2..
02-19-2003 | 06:48 AM
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There are a bunch of "stick snobs" here. It's one thing to prefer one tranny, or even despise another. But once you get to the point of telling someone else that they or there car aren't worthy because they prefer an automatic (for whatever reason), you need to get over yourself.
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02-19-2003 | 05:01 PM
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SMG?
Originally posted by WankelWannabe
I you want the automatic I'd wait a year or so. It sounds to me like Mazda will be releasing an SMG type of tranny and the current auto is just temporary.
I you want the automatic I'd wait a year or so. It sounds to me like Mazda will be releasing an SMG type of tranny and the current auto is just temporary.
If so, I am probably going to wait. The SMG would seem to be the best of both worlds: the performance of a manual and the convenience of an automatic
02-19-2003 | 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Sputnik
But once you get to the point of telling someone else that they or there car aren't worthy because they prefer an automatic (for whatever reason), you need to get over yourself.
But once you get to the point of telling someone else that they or there car aren't worthy because they prefer an automatic (for whatever reason), you need to get over yourself.
HOWEVER--my fiance has an automatic RX-8 on order because of her personal preferences (she can drive stick but doesn't like to in commute) and I'm sure as hell not gonna laugh at her. Life is full of compromises and if you're set on an automatic why not get a sporty one?
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02-19-2003 | 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by PUR NRG
Do you laugh at people who order a double cheeseburger and have a diet soda to go with it? I do.
Do you laugh at people who order a double cheeseburger and have a diet soda to go with it? I do.
HOWEVER--my fiance has an automatic RX-8 on order because of her personal preferences (she can drive stick but doesn't like to in commute) and I'm sure as hell not gonna laugh at her. Life is full of compromises and if you're set on an automatic why not get a sporty one?
02-19-2003 | 07:42 PM
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Re: SMG?
Originally posted by gusmahler
I had never heard that Mazda was going to put an SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox, aka, semi-automatic, F1 type transmission) in the 8. Has there been confirmation of this?...
I had never heard that Mazda was going to put an SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox, aka, semi-automatic, F1 type transmission) in the 8. Has there been confirmation of this?...
We only have reliable information from a couple of sources that both are being seriously considered. I know for a fact that the SMG in the Toyota MR2 Spyder was delayed over a year because Toyota needed that extra time to develop it to their satisfaction. And they knew well before the release of the car (something like a year) that the SMG would not be ready for initial release. Now, this is speculation on my part, but notice how the concept and prototype RX8s had SMGs up until the yellow concept (about a year ago).
The thing is, we won't know for sure until things are officially announced.
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02-20-2003 | 10:07 AM
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Re: Re: SMG?
Originally posted by Sputnik
Now, this is speculation on my part, but notice how the concept and prototype RX8s had SMGs up until the yellow concept (about a year ago).
Now, this is speculation on my part, but notice how the concept and prototype RX8s had SMGs up until the yellow concept (about a year ago).
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02-20-2003 | 02:39 PM
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Re: Re: Re: SMG?
Originally posted by PUR NRG
Can you elaborate? According to the press kit the production car has paddle shifters. Unfortunately the shift time borders on 1 sec.
Can you elaborate? According to the press kit the production car has paddle shifters. Unfortunately the shift time borders on 1 sec.
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02-20-2003 | 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Cihuuy
Ohhno15: i know how u feel... but where i live, some of the Royal Family in Brunei have Ferrari Modena Station Wagon in an auto!!! :D now this is a family Sport Car!!! so not everyone is like u dude...
it will definitely be a plus if its a 5 or 6 speed auto... just my 0.2..
Ohhno15: i know how u feel... but where i live, some of the Royal Family in Brunei have Ferrari Modena Station Wagon in an auto!!! :D now this is a family Sport Car!!!
so not everyone is like u dude...it will definitely be a plus if its a 5 or 6 speed auto... just my 0.2..
Originally posted by Sputnik
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There are a bunch of "stick snobs" here. It's one thing to prefer one tranny, or even despise another. But once you get to the point of telling someone else that they or there car aren't worthy because they prefer an automatic (for whatever reason), you need to get over yourself.
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There are a bunch of "stick snobs" here. It's one thing to prefer one tranny, or even despise another. But once you get to the point of telling someone else that they or there car aren't worthy because they prefer an automatic (for whatever reason), you need to get over yourself.
What are you talking about? I need to get over myself? I'm probably one of the least wealthy people here talking about the RX8, I'm a Junior at Saint Louis University (an expensive school but I have a big scholarship). I only hope to one day buy a reasonably priced used RX8, and wanted to make the point that I'll hate seeing autos that someone bought for their 16 yr old daughter and she decided she wanted a jeep instead. Sorry I'm such a "stick snob". I just think that sports cars have a purpose, and that a 210 HP auto rx-8 is just a sheep in a wolf's clothing. At least I won't be buying the car for the image.
02-21-2003 | 01:20 AM
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About the possible SMG:
That is what I'd like. I'm sure Mazda won't say whats planned now, they don't want people to not buy the car to wait for an SMG (and their plans may change in 6 months). I won't be in the market for a RX8 for 2 to 3 years anyway so at this point it dosen't matter if I know what their plans are or not...
In the picture of the steering wheel on this page...
http://media.mazda.ch/dossiers/RX-8/Photo-RX8-F.htm
...you can see the "Up" and "Down" shift paddles on the wheel. That would tend to indicate something might be in the works. (these aren't the brake paddles on the Evolve right?)
As far as peoples choice of Auto or Manual (or SMG)....take your choice, enjoy the car....live and let live. I find the whole idea someone else cares what somebody else drives silly....unless of course they are driving a GM car, THAT would make me scratch my head, poorest quality you can buy (I know from experiance!)....sorry, I got off topic there heehee
That is what I'd like. I'm sure Mazda won't say whats planned now, they don't want people to not buy the car to wait for an SMG (and their plans may change in 6 months). I won't be in the market for a RX8 for 2 to 3 years anyway so at this point it dosen't matter if I know what their plans are or not...
In the picture of the steering wheel on this page...
http://media.mazda.ch/dossiers/RX-8/Photo-RX8-F.htm
...you can see the "Up" and "Down" shift paddles on the wheel. That would tend to indicate something might be in the works. (these aren't the brake paddles on the Evolve right?)
As far as peoples choice of Auto or Manual (or SMG)....take your choice, enjoy the car....live and let live. I find the whole idea someone else cares what somebody else drives silly....unless of course they are driving a GM car, THAT would make me scratch my head, poorest quality you can buy (I know from experiance!)....sorry, I got off topic there
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02-21-2003 | 01:24 AM
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Jeff, in response to the paddle shifters you noticed... those actually just control the tiptronic transmission on the RX-8.
Just like you can shift on the shifter itself with the + and - pulls of the shifter, you can click it in with the paddles.
I believe however that Mazda should offer SMG on the MazdaSpeed version when that is released.
Just like you can shift on the shifter itself with the + and - pulls of the shifter, you can click it in with the paddles.
I believe however that Mazda should offer SMG on the MazdaSpeed version when that is released.
02-21-2003 | 01:38 AM
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Hi Herc,
Thanks...but they don't have a tiptronic planned currently, right? Was that from one of their prototype cars?
I was also just going to add that in the next image on that web site (craftmanship9.jpg) it shows the gauges, and in the left dial is a big red numeric LED...looks like the gear indicator (just like on my Acura TL)
Thanks...but they don't have a tiptronic planned currently, right? Was that from one of their prototype cars?
I was also just going to add that in the next image on that web site (craftmanship9.jpg) it shows the gauges, and in the left dial is a big red numeric LED...looks like the gear indicator (just like on my Acura TL)
02-21-2003 | 09:12 AM
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>>Wrong. The automatic offered with the 2004 RX8 is a tiptronic automatic.<<
Thanks for the blunt reply, but what am I missing? I though Mazda was only going to offer an hydraulic automatic or manual gear box in 2004? I thought the "tiptronics" like you find in Porche or Audi are basically a manual (sequental) tranny controlled by fast solenoids...that can also be controlled by computer to act like an "auto". Humm....but maybe I am wrong...
Someone please enlighten me...
So you WILL be able to shift the auto tranny yourself? Like I can now in my TL? They call the tranny in a Boxter a "tiptronic"...is that hydraulic? Guess I misunderstood "tiptronic"
Thanks for the blunt reply, but what am I missing? I though Mazda was only going to offer an hydraulic automatic or manual gear box in 2004? I thought the "tiptronics" like you find in Porche or Audi are basically a manual (sequental) tranny controlled by fast solenoids...that can also be controlled by computer to act like an "auto". Humm....but maybe I am wrong...
Someone please enlighten me...
So you WILL be able to shift the auto tranny yourself? Like I can now in my TL? They call the tranny in a Boxter a "tiptronic"...is that hydraulic? Guess I misunderstood "tiptronic"
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02-21-2003 | 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by JeffNY
I though Mazda was only going to offer an hydraulic automatic or manual gear box in 2004?
I though Mazda was only going to offer an hydraulic automatic or manual gear box in 2004?
SMG is a true "manual" gearbox with a computer controlled interface instead of foot-operated pedals. So while the operator controls (paddles) are the same the device operated on is completely different.
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02-21-2003 | 10:02 AM
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As far as peoples choice of Auto or Manual (or SMG)....take your choice, enjoy the car....live and let live. I find the whole idea someone else cares what somebody else drives silly....