But you have a MT-if the paddles had a neutral, it would be OK.

 

I don't understand why you and certain other people have to give me so much crap. I'm only defending automatics against arrogant people who try to shove a manual tranny down my throat and tell me thats the only way and no other way. I have probably been driving manual longer than you have been alive and I can really care less about which tranny is better for what. You wanna drive a manual then that's fine but don't give people crap because they choose to drive an automatic. You my friend are a select few and you are one of the most arrogant people I have ever seen on a car forum.

 

I'm not being arrogant. You asked us why people bash autos in sports cars. I gave you plenty of honest examples and never attacked you for driving an auto. I did however get on you for arguing with everyone that gave you an answer to the question that you asked. The only "attack" i've made was when I said that I hate when auto drivers feel the need to constantly defend their choice of transmission to the world.

I would say that if anyone needs to grow up, it's you in all of your age and wisdom. I am certainly not but hurt or defensive on my choice of transmission. Assuming you started driving manual at the legal driving age of 16, you must be 49 or older. Far old enough to know that arguing on the internet is pointless, and if you shouldn't get so upset over a bunch of faceless keyboard warriors.

Go back and look at my posts. I believe i've told you multiple times that I don't care what you drive or how you drive it. I'm happy that you're happy and that you still go and beat on it in the twisties. I never even said that I condone bashing auto owners. It's a dumb *** argument on both sides, and no one wins.

To keep you happy, i'll gladly stay out of your amazing thread. It's so far off topic now that we should name it "All the different auto trannies ever made and how they work. PLZ DON'T BASH"

 

If we include Chrysler's semi-automatics from the late 40s to early 50s, how can we possibly not have bashing? Not of individuals, but of the transmission?

Ken

 

I'm not mad at anyone on here. We are all entitled to our opinions. I honestly expected a lot of bashing to come from this cause I have seen other forums where this topic was brought up. Some people are being smart @sses with their answers and not giving much respect to the questions I asked. I'm not really defending auto's, just pointing out that their is nothing wrong with an auto and their is not much difference between the two. Only thing I'm not doing in my auto is engaging a clutch with my left foot. Don't think of it as me arguing cause I'm just debating. You told me that I should just sit back and listen but I'm just trying to be apart of a thread that I created...... it's just what I do. You don't have to stay out of my thread cause your more than welcome here and I'm not mad at you at all. You just come off as a smart @***

 

this thread is so bad that im starting to think moniche started another account

 

We have a customer at the shop who is disabled from the waist down. He owns an rx8. (the first one I ever drove years ago) He has an auto, obviously, and has the hand controls and uses the rear access doors to load his wheel chair in the back while sitting in the front seat.

^ The only example I can validate for owning an auto sports car.

 

This is badass. We have a highly regarded Forum Member that does the same.


Oops. I was gonna stay out of this thread. Oh well.

 

Maybe its the same guy...

 

Coincidence? I think not





I have a good friend who's little brother did the same with an 04 when they first came out. He had already moved on by the time I got mine though. Not sure what he replaced it with though.

It's an awesome set up for those that need it.

 

Actually, if you see my signature, I drive a bone stock 40th AE - which is essentially a GT with a couple of extra things. Therefore, I like comfort and luxury as well in a sports car that is mostly driven on the street. If I had a track-only car, then I would certainly go bare minimum.

My perfect Sports car is the one I bought. It has some comfort, luxury, amazing interior and handling, and more importantly, a MT



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True!

True.

However, whatever works best for somebody does not make a strong enough argument to prove their choice is the best in the overall performance benefits of that particular product.



LOL

Really? It surprises me you still wonder about the many responses you have received here.

You remind me of the guys that show up at off-roading forums trying to prove how an AT 4X4 is just as good, practical, more comfortable - if not better than a 4X4 offroad. Then they get all upset when people respond Sure, you can have fun with an AT 4X4 off-road. But there are obvious and significant performance differences between the two transmissions when off-roading.

Anyway, same thing here with this argument. Seems to me you have been seeking approval for your choice of AT on a rotary more than anything else.

And to be honest with you, I see the validity of your arguments with other cars. But when it comes to a rotary engine, I certainly believe the MT is the best choice for that type of engine.

Totally valid argument.

 

Um.. no. There is quite a lot of difference between the two.

 

I've been reading along and I have to say this... OP if you don't like the answers you're getting, why make this thread? You're waiting for us to say that an auto is just as good as a manual and that you might the right choice. Well it isn't and you didn't. You'll never convince the drivers (us) that steeringwheelholders (you) are right for buying an auto rx-8. Disabled people not included of course.
My wife's celica is an auto and it's a great car. But driving it I definitely know and feel the difference between trannies.

Enjoy your auto but don't ask for opinions if all you want is someone to echo yours... Not gonna happen.

 

OP: Enjoy your ride. I go to car shows, meets and i appreciate the work they done on the engines and to the cars body work. I don't put my head inside their ride to the see what transmission are using and start judging. I know MT are better and more joyful than AT but you just to got enjoy what you have. I'm sure Felix Wankel would have said: thank you and have fun.

 

so you go to car shows and fail to notice the important relationship between an engine and the transmission attached to it. What about asking owners the reasons why they chose to match certain engines with certain transmissions? I bet you would gain a lot of knowledge

Certain transmissions will go certainly well with certain engines for a variety of applications. But - again - when it comes to the rotary engine at least, the consensus is that the MT is the better choice.

Unless, of course, you are going to drive like a granny

 

I think u misundertood what i meant . I know MT are better on any engine, i just don't make fun of people using an AT. What i notice is u fail to read. lol.

 

I think this entire thread reinforces one concept... you can't persuade someone into being an enthusiast. You either are one, or you aren't.

It's easy to pick out those who aren't.

 

It depends what "performace benefits" we are talking about. There are many aspects to "performance". I'm not just referring to absolute acceleration or competition conditions.

 

Everyone in this thread is an enthusiast. Just some differences of opinion on what to be enthusiastic about.

Ken

 

Exactly. I see your point. I think you were referring to just letting people go with whatever works for them. That includes comfort and convenience I assume.

However, in my argument I was mostly referring to the following variables of performance: acceleration, competition conditions and getting the best out of the rotary engine in a sports car in general. All these are not the same between the two transmissions at all.

But the OP seems to suggest they are.

Hahahaha, true!

 

Opinions on that one please....

What message was Mazda trying to convey by selling the R3 with a MT only?

LOL

 

really? when i notice an auto in a sports car at a show i immediately dislike the car. except for the obvious supercars.

 

And I would never suggest that.

I didn't choose this particular model based on competition or "sports car" criteria at all. I primarily bought the car because I always had a fascination and respect for the Wankel motor, and I particularly fell in love with the RX-8 when I first drove one in 2004 for all the usual reasons. But, I needed it for long-distance transporation (commuting, weekend trips, cross-country, etc), not for the track, rallys, or any other racing or chest thumping. So, I chose this version to optimize its efficiency, comfort, convenience, versatility, durability, reliability, etc. And after test driving dozens of examples of every configuration, and doing lots of research and reading here, I chose a series-2 automatic. No regrets - it has been perfect for my purposes for 50,000 miles...

 

Totally agree with your statement. One of the best responses I've read so far from an AT owner.

If at least everybody driving an AT would respond in a similar way like you, many of these arguments could be posted with less hostility

Thanks a lot.