Beginner at clutch starting from stop- 1st or 2nd?
03-14-2011, 12:24 PM
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Well it is definitly Very sensitive (according to somone who tried it to let me know how it compared to their manual driving experience)
but like I said, now I no longer have a problem slipping the clutc to go, its the ammount of time it takes to shift from first to second that is really bugging me, like a full 2 seconds (I dont want to grind gears or be rough on the trans in shifting from first to second too fast)
Anyone mind taking a video clip of normal shifting from first to second? n maybe from a stop too?
but like I said, now I no longer have a problem slipping the clutc to go, its the ammount of time it takes to shift from first to second that is really bugging me, like a full 2 seconds (I dont want to grind gears or be rough on the trans in shifting from first to second too fast)
Anyone mind taking a video clip of normal shifting from first to second? n maybe from a stop too?
03-14-2011, 12:57 PM
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Well it is definitly Very sensitive (according to somone who tried it to let me know how it compared to their manual driving experience)
but like I said, now I no longer have a problem slipping the clutc to go, its the ammount of time it takes to shift from first to second that is really bugging me, like a full 2 seconds (I dont want to grind gears or be rough on the trans in shifting from first to second too fast)
Anyone mind taking a video clip of normal shifting from first to second? n maybe from a stop too?
but like I said, now I no longer have a problem slipping the clutc to go, its the ammount of time it takes to shift from first to second that is really bugging me, like a full 2 seconds (I dont want to grind gears or be rough on the trans in shifting from first to second too fast)
Anyone mind taking a video clip of normal shifting from first to second? n maybe from a stop too?
why would you wait 2 second to shift into 2nd? just shift it into 2nd and release the clutch after you get some speed in 1st. if you dont want the jerkiness, you just give it a bit gas before you letting out the clutch. the faster your shift, the less the rpm drops the least amount of engine brake would make the car jerk back and forth.
this is me autocrossing in an S2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9SJVeEbh0
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03-14-2011, 03:08 PM
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Thats autocross tho!!!!! Hell Id do fine in that!! its normal driving and shifting where I dont wana look like a madman redlining between every shift. does anyone have any clips of just normal driving shifting?
03-14-2011, 03:26 PM
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2,000 RPM is about where I learned the "catch point" for starting in 1st when I first got the car. Gently nudge the gas while slowly letting off the clutch and you'll get a pretty smooth takeoff. I think your problem with shifting smoothly into 2nd might be because you're probably shifting at high RPMs, and under high load. That 1st - 2nd shift above 7k can be a little rough because RPMs will drop off sharply if you hesitate, but you'll eventually learn how to finesse it with the right combination of throttle and clutch pressure.
As for taking off in second - don't. Yeah, it can be done, but I'd rather make the extra shift than bog the engine or create uneven wear on the syncros. Shifting *down* into 1st can get a little sticky, and you have to be crawling to do it, at least in my car, but I can usually stay in 2nd during a "rolling stop" or speed bump situation and just rev a little to get the RPMs back up before letting the clutch back out. There really aren't many times that you'll intentionally *want* to downshift into first. Ideally, you don't want to downshift into first at anything other than an incredibly slow crawl, in any car. If you feel resistance, back off and let the car decelerate a little more, or try double-clutching or rev matching a little. Force it, and you're risking a bent shift fork or jacked up detent over time.
You'll get the hang of it, though. While not radically different, learning to drive stick on these cars does "feel" a little different due to the low torque output and the fact you have to juice the RPMs and slip the clutch just a little more often. You aren't going to annihilate the clutch by dragging it a little at low RPMs.
As for taking off in second - don't. Yeah, it can be done, but I'd rather make the extra shift than bog the engine or create uneven wear on the syncros. Shifting *down* into 1st can get a little sticky, and you have to be crawling to do it, at least in my car, but I can usually stay in 2nd during a "rolling stop" or speed bump situation and just rev a little to get the RPMs back up before letting the clutch back out. There really aren't many times that you'll intentionally *want* to downshift into first. Ideally, you don't want to downshift into first at anything other than an incredibly slow crawl, in any car. If you feel resistance, back off and let the car decelerate a little more, or try double-clutching or rev matching a little. Force it, and you're risking a bent shift fork or jacked up detent over time.
You'll get the hang of it, though. While not radically different, learning to drive stick on these cars does "feel" a little different due to the low torque output and the fact you have to juice the RPMs and slip the clutch just a little more often. You aren't going to annihilate the clutch by dragging it a little at low RPMs.
03-14-2011, 04:08 PM
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Living is best Modified.
Second gear on slippery roads.
First on normal.
Parking lots you may want to go back into first gear as the lower speeds get very... jumpity. Second gear will usually do the parking lot good.
Around 1.5k RPM is where the car starts to Jump atleast that's what I've noticed.
First on normal.
Parking lots you may want to go back into first gear as the lower speeds get very... jumpity. Second gear will usually do the parking lot good.
Around 1.5k RPM is where the car starts to Jump atleast that's what I've noticed.
03-14-2011, 06:13 PM
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1st to 2nd you need to be gentle on the clucth also you need to press the gas pedal quickly enough as soon as you released the clutch.
practice the biting point of the clutch.
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03-14-2011, 07:42 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUKoW5XUW7A
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03-14-2011, 08:08 PM
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see thats what I expected it to be a lot more like.... I guess Im just terrible at it, I can get going fine from first, but shifting into second is a good 2 full seconds for me 
03-14-2011, 08:11 PM
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practice makes perfect.
I have something similar too. the audio is a bit out of sync tho.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq6FlOnE8RY
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03-14-2011, 10:00 PM
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Fuel cut off hit at 37 mph in first I just checked. I was not WOT as I wanted to get the most accurate mph I could, and right when 37 hit it cut off. The car is 100% stock not even an intake or exhaust.
03-15-2011, 11:43 AM
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I took this photo today, I didn't catch it at redline but I was pretty close. You can clearly see its at 8K and 40MPH. I had not hit fuel cutoff or redline yet. So I am starting to wonder if they made a change to later models to restrict speed?
03-15-2011, 11:48 AM
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S2 has a shorter rear gear so lower 1st redline speed.
03-15-2011, 02:35 PM
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It appears from your vid that the R3 has a bit of a longer gear span. have a look at this vid, this is more what my shifting is more like for the very first part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYAm...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYAm...eature=related
03-17-2011, 08:25 PM
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a bit slow working on the gears and abit slow on the clutch but its pretty good.
need to learn rev matching and heel&toe.
need to learn rev matching and heel&toe.
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03-17-2011, 08:47 PM
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EEsh hate to see the criticism of my shifting then.
For heal/toe I assume you mean heal in one spot on the floor toe on either gas or brake? or do you mean the thing that guy racing the 8 does where his toe stays on the brake and heel hits the gas?
Is that really all that necessary?
For heal/toe I assume you mean heal in one spot on the floor toe on either gas or brake? or do you mean the thing that guy racing the 8 does where his toe stays on the brake and heel hits the gas?
Is that really all that necessary?
03-17-2011, 08:51 PM
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EEsh hate to see the criticism of my shifting then.
For heal/toe I assume you mean heal in one spot on the floor toe on either gas or brake? or do you mean the thing that guy racing the 8 does where his toe stays on the brake and heel hits the gas?
Is that really all that necessary?
For heal/toe I assume you mean heal in one spot on the floor toe on either gas or brake? or do you mean the thing that guy racing the 8 does where his toe stays on the brake and heel hits the gas?
Is that really all that necessary?
its saves a lot of clutch when you down shift before a corner trying to get the engine speed up, and you wont feel the car jerk back and forth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4
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03-17-2011, 09:11 PM
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heel-toe technique isn't necessary to learn, but it's very handy. And if you ever decide to bring your rx-8 to the track then you will be thankful that you learned it earlier. Be sure to practice in a safe environment though.
03-17-2011, 09:18 PM
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Logitech G25 is pretty cheap now. and LFS is a good game to start on.