View Poll Results: For people who need new engine were you using synthetic or non-synthetic?
synthetic
8
36.36%
non-synthetic
14
63.64%
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10-02-2006, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
According to those crying babies, your engine might blow as soon as you reach 52001 miles !!!!!!!
Hey, you never know !
Hey, you never know !
10-02-2006, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
Hey guys. I am a conventional oil user and my engine blew? Could it be because I mentioned using synthetic sometime in the future?
10-02-2006, 10:27 AM
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I think so Blue. Everytime I say "Synthetic", the engine starts to sputter then dies.
Hmmm, you think Mazda will perform a vaccum test on my brain? I have been thinking synthetic for 15k miles now. Will they be able to see that I have synthetic on my mind? In the early and sometimes late hours I find that I have powerloss.
Originally Posted by nycgps
So does your future engines. Theres no forgiveness !!!! Until you get rid of Synthetic oil in your mind !
10-02-2006, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by turbodiesel_1
Mazda requires the use of non-synthetic in the renesis.
Also of note is a TSB from Mazda showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
Also of note is a TSB from Mazda showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
10-02-2006, 12:25 PM
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Well, Mazda created a great design You guys gotta admit that, we cant really blame them for the tunning because NA is a *special* stupid Ford owned market, no engine recall for the rest of the world besdies NA so you know ....
but yeah .... it took Mazda how many years to tune protege ......
but yeah .... it took Mazda how many years to tune protege ......
10-02-2006, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
I think so Blue. Everytime I say "Synthetic", the engine starts to sputter then dies.
Hmmm, you think Mazda will perform a vaccum test on my brain? I have been thinking synthetic for 15k miles now. Will they be able to see that I have synthetic on my mind? In the early and sometimes late hours I find that I have powerloss.
Hmmm, you think Mazda will perform a vaccum test on my brain? I have been thinking synthetic for 15k miles now. Will they be able to see that I have synthetic on my mind? In the early and sometimes late hours I find that I have powerloss.
10-02-2006, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ken-x8
Why do people have such strong objections to this poll? If synthetic oil isn't a problem, then the results from this one and the parallel overall synth/dino should come out the same. And it will certainly be more convenient than wading through all the "I've used synthetics for the past 10 miles and my car is running fine" posts.
If there's another poll for the same topic, then this one should be nuked. But if there's not, then calls to close it smack of "I've made up my mind, don't ask questions."
Ken
If there's another poll for the same topic, then this one should be nuked. But if there's not, then calls to close it smack of "I've made up my mind, don't ask questions."
Ken
10-03-2006, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by swoope
the tsb is for europe.. not the usa... and the epa is the scapegoat for mazda tuning... or mazdas fault for trying to extend cat life...
beers
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what's the epa... don't flame me you ********.
10-03-2006, 06:33 AM
#41
Originally Posted by Ryan13b
I've had 2 engines replaced, used only mineral oil.
Synthetic oil is definitely NOT the problem.
Synthetic oil is definitely NOT the problem.
Its just sad that those crying babies would never listen no matter how many proof we shown them. They just gonna listen to what Mazda's lawyers said.
10-03-2006, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryan13b
I've had 2 engines replaced, used only mineral oil.
Synthetic oil is definitely NOT the problem.
Synthetic oil is definitely NOT the problem.
No way! Someone must have paid you to say that or you must have thought synthetic and your engine exploded. Either way synthetic was the cause.
10-03-2006, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
No way! Someone must have paid you to say that or you must have thought synthetic and your engine exploded. Either way synthetic was the cause.now maybe I should start writing my Will ... After my 8 blow up and kill me, I would love to it the reminds of it to my brother .... but remember do NOT put Synthetic or Think of it or else you have to write another will brother .....
But seriously, what happen to all those anti-synthetic crying babies, they never show up when you need them.
10-03-2006, 09:30 AM
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I think syn / dino oil debate threads s/b banned...
It's like talking about religion or politics here - sheesh!
This poll is interesting and useful - and it's NOT a syn / dino debate. The syn oil folks here who are up in arms over this should be in favor of keeping it open becuase so far from the results, there's clearly no correlation between the type of oil used and engine failure.
It's like talking about religion or politics here - sheesh!
This poll is interesting and useful - and it's NOT a syn / dino debate. The syn oil folks here who are up in arms over this should be in favor of keeping it open becuase so far from the results, there's clearly no correlation between the type of oil used and engine failure.
10-03-2006, 09:35 AM
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the point is that, so far, its about the same AND we're not even sure if some of the *dino* lover or *Synthetic* lover actually vote the opposite just to make the other side look bad.
this thread is completely stupid in the first place. IT has been PROVEN that Synthetic does not cause problems, the problem is with the gas we put in, and people who baby their freaking engine. but no matter what, crying babies will just listen to whatever they love to hear(Dino oil), and ignore all other facts, and would not listen to Stuff that they dont like(for example Mazda does not recommend Aftermarket parts, but Dino babies still put them in, wtf is that)
this thread is completely stupid in the first place. IT has been PROVEN that Synthetic does not cause problems, the problem is with the gas we put in, and people who baby their freaking engine. but no matter what, crying babies will just listen to whatever they love to hear(Dino oil), and ignore all other facts, and would not listen to Stuff that they dont like(for example Mazda does not recommend Aftermarket parts, but Dino babies still put them in, wtf is that)
10-03-2006, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by swoope
search bitch!
enviromental protection agency...
the guys that give us cats...
beers
enviromental protection agency...
the guys that give us cats...
beers
10-03-2006, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
But seriously, what happen to all those anti-synthetic crying babies, they never show up when you need them.
first- Mazda is concerned about the extra buildup left over when burnign some synths. its not lawyer talk its fact- some synths leave deposits when burned that in combination with the carbon buildup causes issues. this buildup can cause engine problems. just the few reports we've had here of carboned up APVs should be enough for anyone to believe it.
but the part im understanding the recall has to do with the emissions part of the recall. i believe that one thing they are worried about is the deposits leaving the engine then burning in the CAT. this material burns at a high temp causing over heating of the CATs and excellerating the premature failure.
this is only a theory of mine with no proof yet other than some wording in the recall documents that suggested it to me. i have of course emailed Mazda for some information. They seemed to be "receptive" to the idea of some technical answers, so we'll see what they say.
10-03-2006, 02:48 PM
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I believe the problem is within the stuff that oil companies added to their oil. and those are the stuff that causes problems. Since to be Synthetic you have to be at least Group IV or V, and those are known to be more *pure* than the regular oil.
but my question is, some oil companies put the excat same thing to their Mineral lineup, and what Im thinking is that, everyone for some reason pay special attention to Synthetic oils. but what about non-synthetic ones with the same addons ?
There are alot of failed engines eats nothing but Mineral oils for their life, still have carbon and stuff. but no one really look into that.
but my question is, some oil companies put the excat same thing to their Mineral lineup, and what Im thinking is that, everyone for some reason pay special attention to Synthetic oils. but what about non-synthetic ones with the same addons ?
There are alot of failed engines eats nothing but Mineral oils for their life, still have carbon and stuff. but no one really look into that.
10-03-2006, 02:54 PM
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dont get me wrong- its definetly an additive or combination of additives that are being looked at. or rather the deposits left after those additives have been through a combustion cycle. i was told earlier this year that Mazda was having the dealerships send in oil samples of what the service center usually buys in order for MNAO to "approve" its use or not. maybe not all but definetly some were doing so. And yes mazda is looking at all the variations as of course it is not THE determining factor. but it is/was a factor that keeps/kept coming up so they had to address it.
10-03-2006, 02:55 PM
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Had there not been such a debate of good/bad of synthetic for the renesis, I'd be using synthetic oil. However, I use regular oil that the dealer puts in (free oil changes for life) and top off with Castrol GTX. I think it would be interesting to know if they have determined what additives may be the cause of the problem. My family has always used synthetic in their regular piston engines without problems but I'm the only one with a rotary so I don't have much frame of reference. It'd also be interesting to know if there is a significant difference in how the oil burns compared to in a regular engine based on the design that would make it more likely to be a problem in a rotary versus piston. 
What do you use zoom?
What do you use zoom?