can turbo 8 beat stock sti??
03-16-2009, 11:45 PM
#126
This thread was supposed to be about stock STI vs Turbo RX8 and by any measure you like other than maybe the first 50m from a standing start - a decently tuned turbo 8 putting out 260whp odd (IE Greddy) will be quicker .
Even an 8 with a 50 shot of nitous is quicker than a stock STI and they only put out 220-230 whp - ask CRH .
All you guys saying a modded STI will own are missing the point that this thread was about .
And we all know an STI can be made stupid quick with ease - but that point is not relevant to the topic at hand ........
Even an 8 with a 50 shot of nitous is quicker than a stock STI and they only put out 220-230 whp - ask CRH .
All you guys saying a modded STI will own are missing the point that this thread was about .
And we all know an STI can be made stupid quick with ease - but that point is not relevant to the topic at hand ........
03-17-2009, 10:17 AM
#127
Huge hole is huge
Agreed with Brettus. The thread is about turbo 8 + STOCK STI. Sure, it's not fair to mod one and not the other, but for the purpose of the thread, we have to deal with it this way 
On a side note, I'd love to ride in a turbo'd 8. It would be such a sublime ride.
On a side note, I'd love to ride in a turbo'd 8. It would be such a sublime ride.
03-17-2009, 11:33 AM
#128
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This thread was supposed to be about stock STI vs Turbo RX8 and by any measure you like other than maybe the first 50m from a standing start - a decently tuned turbo 8 putting out 260whp odd (IE Greddy) will be quicker .
Even an 8 with a 50 shot of nitous is quicker than a stock STI and they only put out 220-230 whp - ask CRH .
All you guys saying a modded STI will own are missing the point that this thread was about .
And we all know an STI can be made stupid quick with ease - but that point is not relevant to the topic at hand ........
Even an 8 with a 50 shot of nitous is quicker than a stock STI and they only put out 220-230 whp - ask CRH .
All you guys saying a modded STI will own are missing the point that this thread was about .
And we all know an STI can be made stupid quick with ease - but that point is not relevant to the topic at hand ........
03-17-2009, 11:54 AM
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I think it's pretty simple. Aim for a power/weight ratio that will beat what you're after, get some sticky tires and have at it. And if you're at the track instead of the strip, the brakes in the RX-8 will allow you to catch many cars.
Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.
Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.
03-17-2009, 02:24 PM
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good point . Here in NZ we get a lot of used STIs brought in from Japan and most of them are stock . I would say a very high percentage of them on the road here stay that way . Sure there are lots of boy racers who love them and spend their last penny to make them into rockets but many go to people you would never suspect would want one and they have no desire to do any mods whatsoever .
03-17-2009, 02:32 PM
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I think it's pretty simple. Aim for a power/weight ratio that will beat what you're after, get some sticky tires and have at it. And if you're at the track instead of the strip, the brakes in the RX-8 will allow you to catch many cars.
Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.
Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.
03-17-2009, 03:52 PM
#132
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good point . Here in NZ we get a lot of used STIs brought in from Japan and most of them are stock . I would say a very high percentage of them on the road here stay that way . Sure there are lots of boy racers who love them and spend their last penny to make them into rockets but many go to people you would never suspect would want one and they have no desire to do any mods whatsoever .
I suspect that grey market JDM cars that NZ, Aussie and parts of Asia receive have the same approach from the original sellers.
03-17-2009, 04:41 PM
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I think it's pretty simple. Aim for a power/weight ratio that will beat what you're after, get some sticky tires and have at it. And if you're at the track instead of the strip, the brakes in the RX-8 will allow you to catch many cars.
Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.
Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.
GTO vs. STi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnTSPWGNCs
and cant wait to hear "oh that guy in the STi can't drive or else he would be leaving the GTO." That guy in the STi happens to be the 2005 T2 national champion Chuck Hemmingson. Look it up. The GTO is braking later than the STi and catching him entering the corners.
I've seen that video. If it's one I'm thinking of, it's a really bad example to quote. I know you're new. Just remember this... the M5 was taking it easy in the corners and the driver of the RX8 knew it.
03-17-2009, 11:27 PM
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[quote=I've seen that video. If it's one I'm thinking of, it's a really bad example to quote. I know you're new. Just remember this... the M5 was taking it easy in the corners and the driver of the RX8 knew it.[/quote]
ah i've seen that video to, but i'm referring to top gear. in the video you were referring to, the m5 was taking it easy yes.
and i can see why you are so defensive...you own one
i love gtos and svt mustangs btw, i appreciate all motoring stuffssssss
ah i've seen that video to, but i'm referring to top gear. in the video you were referring to, the m5 was taking it easy yes.
and i can see why you are so defensive...you own one
i love gtos and svt mustangs btw, i appreciate all motoring stuffssssss
03-18-2009, 06:04 AM
#136
RX8 HA HA
wow this thread belongs in 2004..hahaha
First of all the typical turbo'd 8 will lose to a stock sti PERIOD unless the 8 owner went above and beyond to mod it. The sti doesnt have to try to hard to achieve a great 1/4 time. The 8 has to comepletly beat down its tranny to achieve a decent time. This goes back to saying that the 8 wasn't designed as a drag car (everyone knows that). I'm not defending the sti in any way but everyone needs to face reality. I never turbo'd my 8 cause it just wasn't worth the troubles and money to do it. I would rather start with a different platform and build around that if I was looking for a great 1/4 mile car (which I have already done tee hee).
2nd, MM's 8 is an entirely different beast so stop using his car as an example!
First of all the typical turbo'd 8 will lose to a stock sti PERIOD unless the 8 owner went above and beyond to mod it. The sti doesnt have to try to hard to achieve a great 1/4 time. The 8 has to comepletly beat down its tranny to achieve a decent time. This goes back to saying that the 8 wasn't designed as a drag car (everyone knows that). I'm not defending the sti in any way but everyone needs to face reality. I never turbo'd my 8 cause it just wasn't worth the troubles and money to do it. I would rather start with a different platform and build around that if I was looking for a great 1/4 mile car (which I have already done tee hee).
2nd, MM's 8 is an entirely different beast so stop using his car as an example!
03-18-2009, 10:18 AM
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And I never wrote the GTO couldn't handle.
03-18-2009, 10:23 AM
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wow this thread belongs in 2004..hahaha
First of all the typical turbo'd 8 will lose to a stock sti PERIOD unless the 8 owner went above and beyond to mod it. The sti doesnt have to try to hard to achieve a great 1/4 time. The 8 has to comepletly beat down its tranny to achieve a decent time. This goes back to saying that the 8 wasn't designed as a drag car (everyone knows that). I'm not defending the sti in any way but everyone needs to face reality. I never turbo'd my 8 cause it just wasn't worth the troubles and money to do it. I would rather start with a different platform and build around that if I was looking for a great 1/4 mile car (which I have already done tee hee).
2nd, MM's 8 is an entirely different beast so stop using his car as an example!
First of all the typical turbo'd 8 will lose to a stock sti PERIOD unless the 8 owner went above and beyond to mod it. The sti doesnt have to try to hard to achieve a great 1/4 time. The 8 has to comepletly beat down its tranny to achieve a decent time. This goes back to saying that the 8 wasn't designed as a drag car (everyone knows that). I'm not defending the sti in any way but everyone needs to face reality. I never turbo'd my 8 cause it just wasn't worth the troubles and money to do it. I would rather start with a different platform and build around that if I was looking for a great 1/4 mile car (which I have already done tee hee).
2nd, MM's 8 is an entirely different beast so stop using his car as an example!
Thank you Dubb.
03-18-2009, 10:48 AM
#139
It's a Cavalier
Anyways... the M5 beats the RX8 by five seconds in the top gear power lap... not sure what you're referring to. The E46 M3 had the same time. Doesn't matter, I guess.
03-18-2009, 11:03 AM
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Why? It's not like you or any RX-8 owner paid more than ~30K for their car. There's going to be issues and defficiencies. We didn't purchase 80K+ cars where everything from braking to acceleration to handling to appearance/amenities should be nailed down due to the high cost of entry.
We purchased entry level sports cars that do some things well, and others not so well. That's why we have the aftermarket.
We purchased entry level sports cars that do some things well, and others not so well. That's why we have the aftermarket.
03-18-2009, 11:49 AM
#143
It's a Cavalier
My comments are from first person owners that I know, or have met at the racetrack. I've seen stripped down race-prepped GTOs fry their brakes and the owner leave the track in disgust. I've also seen street GTOs have to pull into the pits early due to brake fade and shudder. I could care less about watching a youtube video - first hand accounts > youtube.
And I never wrote the GTO couldn't handle.
And I never wrote the GTO couldn't handle.
Okay, I couldn't care less about your anecdotal references that nobody else here can substantiate. Go watch the videos. That car is competing in SCCA T2. I'm no road racing expert, but I looked it up, and as far as brakes are concerned, the pads, lines, and brake fluid are all that's allowable. Seems like they're doing just fine. Wouldn't you agree?
I suppose it's possible the cars you saw were 2004's. The 2005 GTO brakes were upgraded with PBR calipers, larger diameter rotors, and vented rear rotors.
03-18-2009, 11:52 AM
#144
It's a Cavalier
Why? It's not like you or any RX-8 owner paid more than ~30K for their car. There's going to be issues and defficiencies. We didn't purchase 80K+ cars where everything from braking to acceleration to handling to appearance/amenities should be nailed down due to the high cost of entry.
We purchased entry level sports cars that do some things well, and others not so well. That's why we have the aftermarket.
We purchased entry level sports cars that do some things well, and others not so well. That's why we have the aftermarket.
03-18-2009, 12:54 PM
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[/QUOTE]Okay, I couldn't care less about your anecdotal references that nobody else here can substantiate. Go watch the videos. That car is competing in SCCA T2. I'm no road racing expert, but I looked it up, and as far as brakes are concerned, the pads, lines, and brake fluid are all that's allowable. Seems like they're doing just fine. Wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. That seems to be the gist of near any internet argument.
[/QUOTE]I suppose it's possible the cars you saw were 2004's. The 2005 GTO brakes were upgraded with PBR calipers, larger diameter rotors, and vented rear rotors.[/QUOTE]
The street car in particular I'm thinking of was an '04. The race prepped car had the LS2 engine and was getting ready for SCCA - that was about 2.5 years ago.
And that's enough threadjacking for me also.
03-18-2009, 01:39 PM
#146
The other thing that a lot of peolpe don't realise is that early Greddy turbo 8s were pretty poor . Even recent dynos i've seen Greddys putting down less than 230hp due to either tuning or some other issue . A well tuned Greddy running around 7-8 psi will put down 250-260whp - there is no way a car weighing more running approx. 230whp can keep up with that .
The OP was actually talking about STOCK STI vs turbo 8 from A ROLL . This is something i have first hand experience with so i'm not just talking out my *** here .
03-18-2009, 11:11 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
03-18-2009, 11:31 PM
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It's a Cavalier
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
So, here's what we can learn. The video is proof of an RX8 turbo with his setup is capable of getting 107-108 mph traps. A stock STi traps about 102-103 mph. A 5-6 mph difference between them would be enough for the RX8 to walk the STi easily from a roll.
Case closed. End of thread.
03-18-2009, 11:34 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video