can turbo 8 beat stock sti??
03-18-2009, 11:37 PM
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It's a Cavalier
03-19-2009, 12:02 AM
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It's a Cavalier
Yeah, with the TD06 turbo and Int-X, not even counting any of the available turbo upgrades or newer EMS options like AccessPORT or Scanalyser. Thats also a 1/4 mile which is arguably the weakest showing of the car possible. *shrug* I don't think 8s get much credit though. The car will always have its detractors.
You guys are absolutely fantastic for them. They are so lucky to have an entire culture that demands so little of them.
Case in point is the video from 3 years ago. Adrian didn't just wake up one morning, slap on a Greddy turbo and go run 13.1@107 that night, and he wasnt some expert rotary tuner with decades of experience. Hell no. I followed what he did... he honestly worked for it, but he had a desire to go fast. He tuned and changed his setup numerous times and he used to race all the time. Tracks are nowhere near us, about an hour to 1 1/2 hours away. It took a lot of time, money, and effort to get his car to that level. Go look at some of the old videos. He was having trouble statying in the 13's.
But here's what's sad. Go find another turbo RX8 video on the web somewhere that shows the time slip, or pans to the board to show ET/trap like his does. I couldn't find one... not one.
Back the original point I was trying to make. You guys let the aftermarket guys off the hook. You spend money based on peak horsepower numbers on some dyno sheet. You never take it to the track to get quantitative numbers to compare setups. It freaks me out every time I think about it. This ridiculous concept that the RX8 "is terrible at drag racing" is literally crippling the evolution of forced induction for the RX8... and it's killing the RX8!!! Nobody takes the RX8 seriously because you guys with the nice turbo setups won't race and post your results. I think there needs to be more leadership from owners of turbo RX8's, and more demand from perspective buyers to have the aftermarket prove the products by racing.
To those with deep pockets, and some fire in their blood - go man up and break some **** at the track. See what the damn thing will do. It might surprise you how well it does with a little work and refinement. Need a bunch more Adrian's around here.
I give that post a perfect 10 . Well said
03-19-2009, 12:14 AM
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It's a Cavalier
Can't wait to watch your progress.
03-19-2009, 12:19 AM
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I used to drag race all the time when I had mustangs, but I've got too much money in my 8, I don't want to break it...LOL. I don't have deep pockets. It's turned into a garage queen. 
I might try it one time at least....but the closest track here is only an 1/8th mile. I won't be dumping my clutch tho.
I might try it one time at least....but the closest track here is only an 1/8th mile. I won't be dumping my clutch tho.
03-19-2009, 12:46 AM
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If you are putting down 414, (hint hint esmiril) you should be in 11's or flat 12.
Alien, that's the first time in awhile I've read something that was positive since the tuning thing. Either way aren't you not suppose to dump your clutch... you are suppose to feather the clutch right? Like go at 6k rpm and be really close to dumping it would be awesome for this car, unless you are this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBxKwcsm9I
Alien, that's the first time in awhile I've read something that was positive since the tuning thing. Either way aren't you not suppose to dump your clutch... you are suppose to feather the clutch right? Like go at 6k rpm and be really close to dumping it would be awesome for this car, unless you are this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBxKwcsm9I
03-19-2009, 03:07 AM
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135i is a good guess, but i think deedubb likes JDM so i would guess a new STi + boost controller.
yax, wait till i go turbo. then there will be a lot of info posted on turbo drag racing. haha. hopefully i can do it this year. *crossing fingers* i was hoping to hit 13s n/a first, but we'll see. this whole downturn is making my portfolio sad and me poor.
yax, wait till i go turbo. then there will be a lot of info posted on turbo drag racing. haha. hopefully i can do it this year. *crossing fingers* i was hoping to hit 13s n/a first, but we'll see. this whole downturn is making my portfolio sad and me poor.
03-19-2009, 03:09 AM
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Big fan? Obviously not, because if you actually went to drag races you would see Sti's running 14's all day long. I saw it at 3 drag race events i went to in 2008. Do you people actually ever GO to drag races? Judging by the responses i would say no. Same old same old 8 owners talking from they asses and from a magazine article and not from witnessing it with their own eyes.
Actually GO to a drag race (one with a "test and tune" session) sometime and then come back here and tell me how many Sti's you saw running low/mid 13's. It wont be many, if any.
Im no drag race aficionado by ANY means but for **** sake, i have been to a few and if u just go u will see for yourself.
Actually GO to a drag race (one with a "test and tune" session) sometime and then come back here and tell me how many Sti's you saw running low/mid 13's. It wont be many, if any.
Im no drag race aficionado by ANY means but for **** sake, i have been to a few and if u just go u will see for yourself.
An 8 with a simple bolt on greddy kit vs. Sti with bolt on+tune, even from a roll it couldn't keep up.
MM turbo kit vs sti with bolt on would be interesting..
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03-19-2009, 08:08 AM
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lol this is much more intreasting a conversation now then before.
launching the 8 right is hard not trying to say that everyone can perform liek that, but saying some one did and using the greddy kit.
i think bnr (i think thats the name) says their modified greddy upgrade should perform the same if not a little better then the mm uprade to.
so there are choices out there, though abit expensive, just people dont seem to going to a drag track
launching the 8 right is hard not trying to say that everyone can perform liek that, but saying some one did and using the greddy kit.
i think bnr (i think thats the name) says their modified greddy upgrade should perform the same if not a little better then the mm uprade to.
so there are choices out there, though abit expensive, just people dont seem to going to a drag track
03-19-2009, 09:13 AM
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You do realize how much the aftermarket folks love the RX8 community, right?
You guys are absolutely fantastic for them. They are so lucky to have an entire culture that demands so little of them.
Case in point is the video from 3 years ago. Adrian didn't just wake up one morning, slap on a Greddy turbo and go run 13.1@107 that night, and he wasnt some expert rotary tuner with decades of experience. Hell no. I followed what he did... he honestly worked for it, but he had a desire to go fast. He tuned and changed his setup numerous times and he used to race all the time. Tracks are nowhere near us, about an hour to 1 1/2 hours away. It took a lot of time, money, and effort to get his car to that level. Go look at some of the old videos. He was having trouble statying in the 13's.
But here's what's sad. Go find another turbo RX8 video on the web somewhere that shows the time slip, or pans to the board to show ET/trap like his does. I couldn't find one... not one.
Back the original point I was trying to make. You guys let the aftermarket guys off the hook. You spend money based on peak horsepower numbers on some dyno sheet. You never take it to the track to get quantitative numbers to compare setups. It freaks me out every time I think about it. This ridiculous concept that the RX8 "is terrible at drag racing" is literally crippling the evolution of forced induction for the RX8... and it's killing the RX8!!! Nobody takes the RX8 seriously because you guys with the nice turbo setups won't race and post your results. I think there needs to be more leadership from owners of turbo RX8's, and more demand from perspective buyers to have the aftermarket prove the products by racing.
To those with deep pockets, and some fire in their blood - go man up and break some **** at the track. See what the damn thing will do. It might surprise you how well it does with a little work and refinement. Need a bunch more Adrian's around here.
You guys are absolutely fantastic for them. They are so lucky to have an entire culture that demands so little of them.
Case in point is the video from 3 years ago. Adrian didn't just wake up one morning, slap on a Greddy turbo and go run 13.1@107 that night, and he wasnt some expert rotary tuner with decades of experience. Hell no. I followed what he did... he honestly worked for it, but he had a desire to go fast. He tuned and changed his setup numerous times and he used to race all the time. Tracks are nowhere near us, about an hour to 1 1/2 hours away. It took a lot of time, money, and effort to get his car to that level. Go look at some of the old videos. He was having trouble statying in the 13's.
But here's what's sad. Go find another turbo RX8 video on the web somewhere that shows the time slip, or pans to the board to show ET/trap like his does. I couldn't find one... not one.
Back the original point I was trying to make. You guys let the aftermarket guys off the hook. You spend money based on peak horsepower numbers on some dyno sheet. You never take it to the track to get quantitative numbers to compare setups. It freaks me out every time I think about it. This ridiculous concept that the RX8 "is terrible at drag racing" is literally crippling the evolution of forced induction for the RX8... and it's killing the RX8!!! Nobody takes the RX8 seriously because you guys with the nice turbo setups won't race and post your results. I think there needs to be more leadership from owners of turbo RX8's, and more demand from perspective buyers to have the aftermarket prove the products by racing.
To those with deep pockets, and some fire in their blood - go man up and break some **** at the track. See what the damn thing will do. It might surprise you how well it does with a little work and refinement. Need a bunch more Adrian's around here.
FI is a good example. I didn't just buy a new GReddy kit, slap it on and try to run 12s. I did research for nearly a year, picked up all of the pieces that would give me a reliable and fast car. If I hit my target whp number with the 3071R there is no way in hell a stock STi is going to come even remotely close.
What you are wrong about is the whole quarter mile thing. It isn't just that RX-8s are "bad at drag racing" although I contend that is their weakest area of expertise. It's that the people that own RX-8s don't give a damn about drag racing. I spent the last 10 years driving pushrod V8 American muscle cars. Fast straight line cars built for drag racing. I could not possibly care less what my 1/4 mile times are. I simply didn't buy an RX-8 for that, so I have no desire to take it to the strip. Will I take my car to a real track with curves? Sure! It's not that the car cannot drag race, but its not something that interests me in the slightest.
Thanks man!
03-19-2009, 04:21 PM
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Well, I've only got the car for almost a month now, and I've never launched the car yet. Well I did once, but that was on a test drive before driving it. Since I wasn't use to all that powerband and full 9.xx K rpm I launched it from 3.5k, foolishly thinking the wheels will just spin up easily so I wouldn't bog. Then I did WOT through first and second, which a month ago, thought was just incredible. I have that on my digi cam, but I don't want to post it as it's a pretty useless one.
But the thing I love about this car is that since it has low torque, it's a joy to drive around in winter, as I rarely step out unless I joke around and slapping some blizzaks helps alot too.
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is better during winter and probably gobs of fun(awd is great for drifts
) but one thing I don't get is when they compare it to this car. It's in totally different classes, like for example, souped up econobox vs a bit of everything sports car. When people compare it, it's always a W.T.F. You know, I would rather drive a nice subtle and low sports car to a wedding then a flashy *** couch on the back (spoiler) that always says LET'S GOO!
End of off topic. And Threadjack?
But the thing I love about this car is that since it has low torque, it's a joy to drive around in winter, as I rarely step out unless I joke around and slapping some blizzaks helps alot too.
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is better during winter and probably gobs of fun(awd is great for drifts
) but one thing I don't get is when they compare it to this car. It's in totally different classes, like for example, souped up econobox vs a bit of everything sports car. When people compare it, it's always a W.T.F. You know, I would rather drive a nice subtle and low sports car to a wedding then a flashy *** couch on the back (spoiler) that always says LET'S GOO!End of off topic. And Threadjack?
03-19-2009, 05:57 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345
here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
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here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^
he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video
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04-13-2009, 01:55 PM
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amen to you!!!! let a sti modded or not come step up to my wwp princess (3071r FTW!!!!!)
i get my turbo set up installed hopefully withing the next couple of weeks!! i shall actualy try it out.. i see a ton of sti's on 90 when i go to chicago..
04-13-2009, 01:58 PM
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lol this is much more intreasting a conversation now then before.
launching the 8 right is hard not trying to say that everyone can perform liek that, but saying some one did and using the greddy kit.
i think bnr (i think thats the name) says their modified greddy upgrade should perform the same if not a little better then the mm uprade to.
so there are choices out there, though abit expensive, just people dont seem to going to a drag track
launching the 8 right is hard not trying to say that everyone can perform liek that, but saying some one did and using the greddy kit.
i think bnr (i think thats the name) says their modified greddy upgrade should perform the same if not a little better then the mm uprade to.
so there are choices out there, though abit expensive, just people dont seem to going to a drag track
04-13-2009, 02:01 PM
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Stop. Just stop the baseless, ignorant comments. GTO can't handle. GTO can't brake. GTO just does well in the straights. How about some proof? Well okay. Plays nicely into this "STi" thread.
GTO vs. STi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnTSPWGNCs
and cant wait to hear "oh that guy in the STi can't drive or else he would be leaving the GTO." That guy in the STi happens to be the 2005 T2 national champion Chuck Hemmingson. Look it up. The GTO is braking later than the STi and catching him entering the corners.
I've seen that video. If it's one I'm thinking of, it's a really bad example to quote. I know you're new. Just remember this... the M5 was taking it easy in the corners and the driver of the RX8 knew it.
GTO vs. STi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnTSPWGNCs
and cant wait to hear "oh that guy in the STi can't drive or else he would be leaving the GTO." That guy in the STi happens to be the 2005 T2 national champion Chuck Hemmingson. Look it up. The GTO is braking later than the STi and catching him entering the corners.
I've seen that video. If it's one I'm thinking of, it's a really bad example to quote. I know you're new. Just remember this... the M5 was taking it easy in the corners and the driver of the RX8 knew it.
i love gto's in austin i went to a meet and they all greeted vry well!!! they liked my exhaust and how it didnt drone!!!
but they also remind me alittle of my 8
04-13-2009, 03:43 PM
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For the pruposes of this thread a a turbo'd 8 would have a good chance against a stock STI. STI's typically put down about 225 AWHP and will run mid 13's.
The problem is not many STI's you come across are going to be stock. Mine's a family hauler that I got 3 months ago and I'm running a stage 1 map and a CBE. I wouldn't head to a strip or go against anyone really until I had at least a stage two with a tune, about 265hp and a fair bump in torque.
While an STI loses some when it's not launched from a stop it still spools up quickly (at least mine does, not as much for stock). I've kept pace with an S600 from a roll up to about 70 before I slowed down. He would have pulled on me I'm sure but then I'd expect that from a turbo V12 and a $130k price tag.
The problem is not many STI's you come across are going to be stock. Mine's a family hauler that I got 3 months ago and I'm running a stage 1 map and a CBE. I wouldn't head to a strip or go against anyone really until I had at least a stage two with a tune, about 265hp and a fair bump in torque.
While an STI loses some when it's not launched from a stop it still spools up quickly (at least mine does, not as much for stock). I've kept pace with an S600 from a roll up to about 70 before I slowed down. He would have pulled on me I'm sure but then I'd expect that from a turbo V12 and a $130k price tag.