Dealer claims printed TSBs copyright infringement.
07-30-2007, 09:45 PM
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07-30-2007, 10:24 PM
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The culture of TSBs is kind of interesting. They're not recalls. Sometimes they address chronic problems. Sometimes they don't address problems at all, but advise techs of a better way to do something. I think one of the TSBs describes how to release the latches on the console cover, rather than just yanking the thing off.
When a TSB describes a chronic problem, things can get dodgy. Some customers push and get the problem fixed under warranty, some don't push and wind up paying. Some time back Ralph Nader and/or his minions cried "secret warranty" about that kind of deal, and had some TSBs turned into actual recalls.
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07-30-2007, 10:31 PM
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Not so sure about this...
The RX-8 has very aggressive brakes. This is why they squeal, and why in conjunction with our large rotors that magazines never report any significant fade issues at the track.
If you want quiet pads, they won't be as high performance and will fade faster under load.
And I don't see how the squeal will let you know you need new pads. My XP8s squeal loud enough to wake the dead until warm, then they're quiet.
The RX-8 has very aggressive brakes. This is why they squeal, and why in conjunction with our large rotors that magazines never report any significant fade issues at the track.
If you want quiet pads, they won't be as high performance and will fade faster under load.
And I don't see how the squeal will let you know you need new pads. My XP8s squeal loud enough to wake the dead until warm, then they're quiet.
bullshit!
I have never heard a G35 or 350Z from a block away like mine were. I had them replace them 3 times...They were noisy when cold and when warm.
07-30-2007, 10:36 PM
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Sounds like the Dealer got upset you did the footwork for 'em and that now since you know about the proper fix for the issue they can't milk you for money. I agree report 'em and go somewhere else.
Also re-read the TSB's and make sure there is a warrenty code written somewhere. Those without this lil denotation are sadly just fixes which come out of our pockets.
Also re-read the TSB's and make sure there is a warrenty code written somewhere. Those without this lil denotation are sadly just fixes which come out of our pockets.
07-31-2007, 03:11 AM
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this thread is useless without posting the name of the idiot dealership
it never hurts to educate yourself
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it never hurts to educate yourself
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07-31-2007, 07:15 AM
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How many people want to make bets that BMW recalls the new M3 because of squealing brakes?
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...ack-page4.html
And the brakes—massive single-piston units with huge cross-drilled 14.2-inch front and 13.8-inch rear discs (significantly larger than even the brakes with the E46 Competition package)—are phenomenal, with progressive feel and never once fading during our track time or extended mountain-road abuse. The trade-off is that they squeal. A lot. And this started even before we hit the track.
07-31-2007, 09:52 AM
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I've seen numerous G35c/Zs at the track COOK their factory brakes. This is not the case with the RX-8, which has much more robust brakes.
07-31-2007, 09:54 AM
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Yes, we should all hope that MNAO dumbs down the car enough for the regular american driver...
How many people want to make bets that BMW recalls the new M3 because of squealing brakes?
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...ack-page4.html
And the brakes—massive single-piston units with huge cross-drilled 14.2-inch front and 13.8-inch rear discs (significantly larger than even the brakes with the E46 Competition package)—are phenomenal, with progressive feel and never once fading during our track time or extended mountain-road abuse. The trade-off is that they squeal. A lot. And this started even before we hit the track.
How many people want to make bets that BMW recalls the new M3 because of squealing brakes?
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...ack-page4.html
And the brakes—massive single-piston units with huge cross-drilled 14.2-inch front and 13.8-inch rear discs (significantly larger than even the brakes with the E46 Competition package)—are phenomenal, with progressive feel and never once fading during our track time or extended mountain-road abuse. The trade-off is that they squeal. A lot. And this started even before we hit the track.
07-31-2007, 10:16 AM
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Once you hear the true screaming that some of the 8 let out you understand there is a big difference between the "normal" brake squeal and the incredibly loud screaming that can, in fact, be heard a block or more away.
Mine squeal some, depending on how much brake pressure I apply. Maybe half the times I apply the brake, or more, but it's just a little bit. I've heard first hand what the TSB is there to address. It's insanely loud - "squeal" is not even close to the correct word for it.
Mine squeal some, depending on how much brake pressure I apply. Maybe half the times I apply the brake, or more, but it's just a little bit. I've heard first hand what the TSB is there to address. It's insanely loud - "squeal" is not even close to the correct word for it.
07-31-2007, 10:25 AM
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when I first brought it in, they told me that the squeal was due to the aggressive brakes. They said they can fix it but I would lose(gain?) 60 ft of braking distance. I said I rather have better brakes than lose the squeal. But they applied some sort of product on my brakes and they haven't squealed since.
07-31-2007, 10:41 AM
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when I first brought it in, they told me that the squeal was due to the aggressive brakes. They said they can fix it but I would lose(gain?) 60 ft of braking distance. I said I rather have better brakes than lose the squeal. But they applied some sort of product on my brakes and they haven't squealed since.
07-31-2007, 10:45 AM
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the dealership that we link to for the TSBs has been threatened by Mazda on several occasions to take them down or else. but the stand up guys at said place have so far stood their ground and refused. to my knowledge Mazda has backed off and let them be now.
07-31-2007, 07:17 PM
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I think we have the right to know the *possible future problems* of our car
Nissan, Toyota, and others, have TSB listed on some sites as well.
whats the problem with it ? 99% of the public still dont know wtf TSBs are
and ur dealership is bsing u, they just want *Cash* out from you instead of slower warranty claims from Mazda
Nissan, Toyota, and others, have TSB listed on some sites as well.
whats the problem with it ? 99% of the public still dont know wtf TSBs are
and ur dealership is bsing u, they just want *Cash* out from you instead of slower warranty claims from Mazda
07-31-2007, 08:11 PM
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I would have laughed in their faces if they told me I couldn't print them and bring them in. Then I would have told em to shove it and I would never go there again/advise my friends to ever go there again.
08-01-2007, 01:59 PM
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More than once I have had to take a TSB into the techs who had never heard of it. The service guys just aren't going to sit back every night and read every TSB that comes down the pike for every model. They couldn't care less, and that would be a lot of work for which they basically aren't compensated.
Just as a note about the Copyright thing: What exactly did this guy think would happen to you for possibly, and probably not under the fair use exception, violating Mazda's purported restricitve disclaimer? Did he think that a van full of Mada thugs would jump you in the parking lot, beat you senseless and dump you in a lake? The only possible enforecement of copyright is through suit at which point one might ask, what damage has Mazda suffered by your printing out the page for your own use and showing it to someone? What a freaking jackass.
Just as a note about the Copyright thing: What exactly did this guy think would happen to you for possibly, and probably not under the fair use exception, violating Mazda's purported restricitve disclaimer? Did he think that a van full of Mada thugs would jump you in the parking lot, beat you senseless and dump you in a lake? The only possible enforecement of copyright is through suit at which point one might ask, what damage has Mazda suffered by your printing out the page for your own use and showing it to someone? What a freaking jackass.
08-01-2007, 02:57 PM
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...I could find hundreds of such cases on this forum in a matter of minutes. Thats probably cost Mazda a couple hundred thousand dollars easily. I'm still suprised our favorite vendor hasn't been nailed for this yet.
08-01-2007, 03:05 PM
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absolutely. see my last post - how many people pushed for new pads when the brake noise was exactly what I (and everyone else prlly) hear? minor, occasional, normal big brake sounds.