Dependible Car?
01-28-2005 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by S2k
Actually, a car can be dangerous if used in a manner it was meant to be used, if the driver does not have the skill ore experience to know how do deal with situations as they arrive. With the exception of kids who have been driving on a track since well before they turned 16 (a vanishingly small number of them), no brand new 16 year old has that skill and experience.
As to your statistical "analysis" of accident data, it is a statistical fact that kids are greatly more likely than older drives to get into an accident. Kids cause serious accidents in much greater proportion than older drivers. The fact that there are far fewer young, male drivers, so that they don't cause the majority of such accidents, does not change the simple, inarguable fact that a 16 year old male driver driving a performance car is frighteningly more likely to cause such an accident than an older driver.
Funny, I don't remember forum rules forbidding the giving of opinions.
Narrow-minded? There's no question that most kids are "good kids." Nobody said otherwise. Now, let me ask a question: Do you really think that, just because a kid is "mature" and/or a "good decision-maker," that many of them, when given a performance car as a daily driver, won't see what the car will do? Especially with three of his friends in the car? To "absolutely trust" a kid not to do that is simply closing your eyes to reality, especially when the consequences can be so dire, both for the kid and for others. If recognizing the reality of human nature is "narrow-minded," I'm guilty.
As to your statistical "analysis" of accident data, it is a statistical fact that kids are greatly more likely than older drives to get into an accident. Kids cause serious accidents in much greater proportion than older drivers. The fact that there are far fewer young, male drivers, so that they don't cause the majority of such accidents, does not change the simple, inarguable fact that a 16 year old male driver driving a performance car is frighteningly more likely to cause such an accident than an older driver.
Funny, I don't remember forum rules forbidding the giving of opinions.
Narrow-minded? There's no question that most kids are "good kids." Nobody said otherwise. Now, let me ask a question: Do you really think that, just because a kid is "mature" and/or a "good decision-maker," that many of them, when given a performance car as a daily driver, won't see what the car will do? Especially with three of his friends in the car? To "absolutely trust" a kid not to do that is simply closing your eyes to reality, especially when the consequences can be so dire, both for the kid and for others. If recognizing the reality of human nature is "narrow-minded," I'm guilty.
01-28-2005 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
how does that not have a point? or can you just not understand english?
I first said "Prove me wrong that a 15 year old deserves an RX-8 and can treat it right." Then aireyc quoted me saying "Oh no...a 16 year old is defending a 15 year old's post. What are we ever going to do!?"
Now explain how my second statement proves my first. I'm fairly good at logic, so don't worry about using big words or complicated reasoning.
khtm...i just noticed...if you read on the first page, you ask if i'm paying for it by myself, right after i tell you that i'm not, you tell me to not even think about it
Anyways, sorry for ruining your dependible thread. Enjoy your 8, try to appreciate it, and drive safely
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01-28-2005 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
I've only met one or two kids in my life who can take advice without getting their panties wadded. However unsolicited the advice, the smartest kids read, accept, evaluate and move on.
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01-28-2005 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
i may be young, and not have as much "wisdom" as you claim to have, but even if i was in a car like a fierro, i'd probably still try to push it to it's limits...
01-28-2005 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by S2k
Funny, I don't remember forum rules forbidding the giving of opinions.
Narrow-minded? There's no question that most kids are "good kids." Nobody said otherwise. Now, let me ask a question: Do you really think that, just because a kid is "mature" and/or a "good decision-maker," that many of them, when given a performance car as a daily driver, won't see what the car will do? Especially with three of his friends in the car? To "absolutely trust" a kid not to do that is simply closing your eyes to reality, especially when the consequences can be so dire, both for the kid and for others. If recognizing the reality of human nature is "narrow-minded," I'm guilty.
Narrow-minded? There's no question that most kids are "good kids." Nobody said otherwise. Now, let me ask a question: Do you really think that, just because a kid is "mature" and/or a "good decision-maker," that many of them, when given a performance car as a daily driver, won't see what the car will do? Especially with three of his friends in the car? To "absolutely trust" a kid not to do that is simply closing your eyes to reality, especially when the consequences can be so dire, both for the kid and for others. If recognizing the reality of human nature is "narrow-minded," I'm guilty.
I mentioned nothing about good kids. When I was 16, I picked up a beater and beat the hell out of it. When I was 18 I bought a new car and washed and waxed it like so many people here who treat their 8's better than their family. How can anybody automatically assume that something else is better (according to your opinion of what better is) than an RX-8. It depends on the individual and I believe poeple should be treated as an individual. Unlike the witch hunt here. "A 16 year old wants an 8. C'mon everybody tie'um to the stake and burn'um".
01-28-2005 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
i'll admit it, i'm gonna test it's limits, but i'm not some retard that'll do it on a highway at 5:00 PM...there are some back roads out here...
Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
besides, it's not like the RX-8 is the only performance car...you can take a 20 year old muscle car and make it fly...i have a friend with a ford focus...he's put so much on that, it's not even funny, and it has like 370-400hp to the wheels...and he's 16, he races...he's fine, why shouldn't i be? i mean, i'm not even going to modify it past a body kit and a spoiler
01-28-2005 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulieWalnuts
There aren't any rules preventing you from the giving of opinions. But the opinion he was asking was on the dependability of the car. Why do you feel the need to offer an opinion totally unrelated to the question?
Originally Posted by PaulieWalnuts
I mentioned nothing about good kids. When I was 16, I picked up a beater and beat the hell out of it. When I was 18 I bought a new car and washed and waxed it like so many people here who treat their 8's better than their family. How can anybody automatically assume that something else is better (according to your opinion of what better is) than an RX-8. It depends on the individual and I believe poeple should be treated as an individual. Unlike the witch hunt here. "A 16 year old wants an 8. C'mon everybody tie'um to the stake and burn'um".
Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
i'll admit it, i'm gonna test it's limits, but i'm not some retard that'll do it on a highway at 5:00 PM...there are some back roads out here...
01-28-2005 | 04:53 PM
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I have a great idea you guys...why don't you come to my school and give all of us a good lecture on why we can't have nice cars...that way you can stop an entire school from having any potential accidents ^_^
01-28-2005 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
I have a great idea you guys...why don't you come to my school and give all of us a good lecture on why we can't have nice cars...that way you can stop an entire school from having any potential accidents ^_^
Kids always think that nothing bad will happen to them; all too many of them are wrong about that, and it's too bad. It's even sadder that parents will close their eyes to reality and facilitate the inevitable behavior.Enjoy your car....
01-28-2005 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
...i've heard that i'm too young to have a car like that...but oh well, i want it. :p
I drive in NJ and I don't want you anywhere near me. As for your reputation, get over it. Once you graduate, it means nothing anyway. This is just another sign of immaturity. Here's some more advice no one asked for: Get yourself something with great gas mileage and lots of room for traveling back and fourth to college - you'll be glad you did. If you're as responsible as you like to think you are, you'll favor the utility at this stage in your life. Get a few years of experience behind the wheel and reassess the sports car. I know this may sound harsh, but I'm sorry, I can't sugarcoat it.
01-28-2005 | 05:25 PM
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...isn't my parents' ok good enough for you? i ask the simplest question, if it's dependable, i'm not even getting it right now...i might not even get it until i'm 17..i don't really even know...i don't have a permit, and if i'm lucky i'll get it the christmas before i turn 17... so stop telling me that a 15 year old shouldn't have a certain car...did i not say that i'll be driving in a year or two? also, i don't see an age restriction on the RX-8, so i guess i'll get it when i'm 17 :D ...unless mazda comes out with a new RX-7
01-28-2005 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
I have a great idea you guys...why don't you come to my school and give all of us a good lecture on why we can't have nice cars...that way you can stop an entire school from having any potential accidents ^_^
If you were earning the money for the car, yourself, it would change the view of some people here. That wouldn't be the case for me. I'd guess that your principal defender who claims to be "working 50 hours a week" to pay for his car should be doing something else with his time.
01-28-2005 | 05:37 PM
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ok, pops, i'm sorry if i'm not paying for the whole thing, if my parents are willing to pay for most of it, why should i stop them? did you also read that i'm paying for part of it, or did you conveniently forget?
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01-28-2005 | 05:43 PM
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Hey Monkey...really...check into this...
www.rx8_drivers_with_mad_skills.com
It could change your life/outlook.
:D
www.rx8_drivers_with_mad_skills.com
It could change your life/outlook.:D
01-28-2005 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Hey Monkey...really...check into this...
www.rx8_drivers_with_mad_skills.com
It could change your life/outlook.
:D
www.rx8_drivers_with_mad_skills.com
It could change your life/outlook.:D
01-28-2005 | 05:54 PM
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Well its obvious your parents have ALOT of money to spend on a car like this for their teenager. So my point is why do you car how dependable it is because if you wreck or it breaks down they will just buy you a new one. Not like its your money.
And unlike everyone else even though i agree with them I am going to say buy the car and LEARN from your mistakes. This is the only way you will understand what everyone is saying.
And unlike everyone else even though i agree with them I am going to say buy the car and LEARN from your mistakes. This is the only way you will understand what everyone is saying.
01-28-2005 | 05:58 PM
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...they're getting me my first car...that's probably it, if i mess it up, i'm screwed...so why would i just wreck a car like that, just because we can afford it?
besides, didn't you read the whole thing, i'm paying for part of it
besides, didn't you read the whole thing, i'm paying for part of it
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01-28-2005 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
...they're getting me my first car...that's probably it, if i mess it up, i'm screwed...so why would i just wreck a car like that, just because we can afford it?
But like I said before do what you. Just becareful If you get the car and dont let peer pressure influence your driving.
01-28-2005 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
but he ended up proving everyone wrong, didn't he? he just said that he did to cover up what happened to his glasses
01-28-2005 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
.at my school, if you have a crappy car, your reputation just sinks, i think there are only like 3 or 4 somewhat crappy cars......so please just shut up...one simple yes or no question, and it turns into a 3 page thread
That said, I actually started to feel bad for the monkey, but now that I have seen how angry and defensive he got just by reading opinions that did not agree with his, I'm afraid about what will happen on the road. I thought he said he was mature. Oh well.