Depressing performance numbers
04-07-2006 | 12:34 AM
#76
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Maybe on the cars you drive. Not me. I could give a **** about 1/4 mile performance, unless it's a 1/4 mile autocross lap.
If what you were saying is true then how come auto designers spend so much time, money and effort dialing in the handling of a car. Get a clue. Drive around a corner every now and again.
Fun thing is I could go to a junkyard right now and assemble a car for $5000 that would run 13 second quarters - give me a 67 Chevelle with a Chevy small block, highrise manifold, a big 4 barrell, high flow Holley carb, , 3 speed Hydramatic with a short shift kit transmission, a "short center" drag rearend with a low (numerically high ratio - like something in the mid 4's) ratio rear differential, Hoosier "wrinkle slicks" on the back end and narrow Goodrich drag tires on the front and a set of drag racing traction bars on the back (allow the rear axle to displace and control wheel hop) ... rock and roll - low 14's upper 13's in the quarter. All for $5k or less. I know this because I have two friends that have done it.
And it can't turn a corner at more than 20 mph without spinning out. What's the point of that.
When you grow up you will understand.
If what you were saying is true then how come auto designers spend so much time, money and effort dialing in the handling of a car. Get a clue. Drive around a corner every now and again.
Fun thing is I could go to a junkyard right now and assemble a car for $5000 that would run 13 second quarters - give me a 67 Chevelle with a Chevy small block, highrise manifold, a big 4 barrell, high flow Holley carb, , 3 speed Hydramatic with a short shift kit transmission, a "short center" drag rearend with a low (numerically high ratio - like something in the mid 4's) ratio rear differential, Hoosier "wrinkle slicks" on the back end and narrow Goodrich drag tires on the front and a set of drag racing traction bars on the back (allow the rear axle to displace and control wheel hop) ... rock and roll - low 14's upper 13's in the quarter. All for $5k or less. I know this because I have two friends that have done it.
And it can't turn a corner at more than 20 mph without spinning out. What's the point of that.
When you grow up you will understand.
04-07-2006 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Maybe on the cars you drive. Not me. I could give a **** about 1/4 mile performance, unless it's a 1/4 mile autocross lap.
If what you were saying is true then how come auto designers spend so much time, money and effort dialing in the handling of a car. Get a clue. Drive around a corner every now and again.
Fun thing is I could go to a junkyard right now and assemble a car for $5000 that would run 13 second quarters - give me a 67 Chevelle with a Chevy small block, highrise manifold, a big 4 barrell, high flow Holley carb, , 3 speed Hydramatic with a short shift kit transmission, a "short center" drag rearend with a low (numerically high ratio - like something in the mid 4's) ratio rear differential, Hoosier "wrinkle slicks" on the back end and narrow Goodrich drag tires on the front and a set of drag racing traction bars on the back (allow the rear axle to displace and control wheel hop) ... rock and roll - low 14's upper 13's in the quarter. All for $5k or less. I know this because I have two friends that have done it.
And it can't turn a corner at more than 20 mph without spinning out. What's the point of that.
When you grow up you will understand.
If what you were saying is true then how come auto designers spend so much time, money and effort dialing in the handling of a car. Get a clue. Drive around a corner every now and again.
Fun thing is I could go to a junkyard right now and assemble a car for $5000 that would run 13 second quarters - give me a 67 Chevelle with a Chevy small block, highrise manifold, a big 4 barrell, high flow Holley carb, , 3 speed Hydramatic with a short shift kit transmission, a "short center" drag rearend with a low (numerically high ratio - like something in the mid 4's) ratio rear differential, Hoosier "wrinkle slicks" on the back end and narrow Goodrich drag tires on the front and a set of drag racing traction bars on the back (allow the rear axle to displace and control wheel hop) ... rock and roll - low 14's upper 13's in the quarter. All for $5k or less. I know this because I have two friends that have done it.
And it can't turn a corner at more than 20 mph without spinning out. What's the point of that.
When you grow up you will understand.
Most of us aren't going to a autox track or a drag strip anytime soon. We want something that is balanced, unique, looks good, hauls ***, and costs nothing. Since that's impossible, we have to make compromises. Some just compromise in different areas more than others. If you really needed me to explain this to you, you must be a retard, get on a bench!
Oh, and your $5000 car would look like a giant pile of ***.
04-07-2006 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Great, and I could find a rusted out X19, shove a uno turbo engine or a Lancia 2.0 in it and have a great autocross car. What's your point? You can have both great handling and great acceleration at the same time, when you grow up maybe you'll realize that
04-07-2006 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Why the hell does everyone have to take everything to extremes all the time. People just have different priorities in a car. But just because they elevate one higher than another doesn't mean that's ALL they care about.
Most of us aren't going to a autox track or a drag strip anytime soon. We want something that is balanced, unique, looks good, hauls ***, and costs nothing. Since that's impossible, we have to make compromises. Some just compromise in different areas more than others. If you really needed me to explain this to you, you must be a retard, get on a bench!
Oh, and your $5000 car would look like a giant pile of ***.
Most of us aren't going to a autox track or a drag strip anytime soon. We want something that is balanced, unique, looks good, hauls ***, and costs nothing. Since that's impossible, we have to make compromises. Some just compromise in different areas more than others. If you really needed me to explain this to you, you must be a retard, get on a bench!
Oh, and your $5000 car would look like a giant pile of ***.
04-07-2006 | 01:05 AM
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This thread made some sharp turns, from auto vs manual to 1/4 mile vs handling, umm... so.......... let me introduce the next topic to you guys
MPG!
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MARIJUANA BUBBLER
This thread made some sharp turns, from auto vs manual to 1/4 mile vs handling, umm... so.......... let me introduce the next topic to you guys
MPG!
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MARIJUANA BUBBLER
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04-07-2006 | 01:50 AM
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Let's not get carried away here. Saturn said it best. People have different priorities and tastes, and that's just the way things are. We're (hopefully) on this forum to talk about a car we love!
04-07-2006 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SlayerRX8
Let's not get carried away here. Saturn said it best. People have different priorities and tastes, and that's just the way things are. We're (hopefully) on this forum to talk about a car we love!
04-07-2006 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
how many people can pull off a high rpm clutch drop effectively? its exceedingly difficult to do right. without it the manual is right up there with the auto running 16, 17s 1/4 mile...
Originally Posted by playdoh43
hell.. if acceleration isnt important, rx8 is not about acceleration. why are you guys blasting the auto?
As far as acceleration goes, it is important, but any car that can hit 14s is plenty fast for a daily driver. I've been to the drag strip and I gotta say I don't get the fascination with it (no offense to those of you that enjoy it, but I found it boring both as a participant and a spectator).
On that note, one of the biggest criticisms of low-torque cars like the ITR, RX8 and S2k is that they're hard to launch. Whatever... if you're really concerned with how a car accelerates below 25 MPH, then get something with more low-end.
04-07-2006 | 10:29 AM
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Let me preface by saying I love my 8. However, I have a hard time understanding why people will come in and tell me that it's "ok" that it's slow because it has a high revving engine.
Um, so what? Sure, it's kinda fun to wind out to 9k rpm, but that's not an excuse. My blender has wicked RPM too, ya know, but I don't get excited when I turn it on.
I love my car because it's different, fast enough, and generally fun to drive. I just don't get the "..yeah, but, but..it revs to 9k rpm" argument. Making a lot of noise and not going anywhere isn't much to be proud of. My vacuum cleaner does that too.
Um, so what? Sure, it's kinda fun to wind out to 9k rpm, but that's not an excuse. My blender has wicked RPM too, ya know, but I don't get excited when I turn it on.
I love my car because it's different, fast enough, and generally fun to drive. I just don't get the "..yeah, but, but..it revs to 9k rpm" argument. Making a lot of noise and not going anywhere isn't much to be proud of. My vacuum cleaner does that too.
04-07-2006 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Raevik
Let me preface by saying I love my 8. However, I have a hard time understanding why people will come in and tell me that it's "ok" that it's slow because it has a high revving engine.
Um, so what? Sure, it's kinda fun to wind out to 9k rpm, but that's not an excuse. My blender has wicked RPM too, ya know, but I don't get excited when I turn it on.
I love my car because it's different, fast enough, and generally fun to drive. I just don't get the "..yeah, but, but..it revs to 9k rpm" argument. Making a lot of noise and not going anywhere isn't much to be proud of. My vacuum cleaner does that too.
Um, so what? Sure, it's kinda fun to wind out to 9k rpm, but that's not an excuse. My blender has wicked RPM too, ya know, but I don't get excited when I turn it on.
I love my car because it's different, fast enough, and generally fun to drive. I just don't get the "..yeah, but, but..it revs to 9k rpm" argument. Making a lot of noise and not going anywhere isn't much to be proud of. My vacuum cleaner does that too.
04-07-2006 | 12:13 PM
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I use to own the Auto but recently traded it in for the manual. I dyno'd my auto and it put out 138whp. The dyno sheet is posted on the forum in the dyno thread. I took it auto crossing and actually posted some decent times. I even beat a manual 8 in one of the races. I believe it would be because of driver error but regardless it was a blast to drive. My auto was bone stock with the 16" wheels and it handled the slalom better than most cars on the course that day. I was able to accelerate the whole what thru the slalom reaching speeds of close to 60mph and never came close to spinning out. It was my first time doing the autocross thing so I had a former MT8 owner riding shotgun and he was very impressed with the tracking of the car. I also noticed that the car started to lose performance which is one of the reasons of trading it in. I believe that you should have your coils checked and see if they are burnt out. Once you get those replaced you should get your performance back.
04-07-2006 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Raevik
Let me preface by saying I love my 8. However, I have a hard time understanding why people will come in and tell me that it's "ok" that it's slow because it has a high revving engine.
Um, so what? Sure, it's kinda fun to wind out to 9k rpm, but that's not an excuse. My blender has wicked RPM too, ya know, but I don't get excited when I turn it on.
I love my car because it's different, fast enough, and generally fun to drive. I just don't get the "..yeah, but, but..it revs to 9k rpm" argument. Making a lot of noise and not going anywhere isn't much to be proud of. My vacuum cleaner does that too.
Um, so what? Sure, it's kinda fun to wind out to 9k rpm, but that's not an excuse. My blender has wicked RPM too, ya know, but I don't get excited when I turn it on.
I love my car because it's different, fast enough, and generally fun to drive. I just don't get the "..yeah, but, but..it revs to 9k rpm" argument. Making a lot of noise and not going anywhere isn't much to be proud of. My vacuum cleaner does that too.
So, yeah the "but it revs to 9k" argument is a weak response to a complaint about power. But revving the rotary is fun and the AT has both less power *and* a lower redline.
04-07-2006 | 08:20 PM
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guilt by association
I am a VW GTI Mk4 owner checking out the RX8 for possible purchase, dreaming of the great balance and handling of the 8 for NorCal backroads. Been lurking on your little forum here....
I've got to say, wow, this forum seems to indicate that RX8 owners as a group are:
-pretty damn juvenile,
-downright nasty at times,
-suffering torque envy.
Do I want to be associated with you guys??!!
Let the flaming commence (er, I mean continue).
Cheers
Pete
I've got to say, wow, this forum seems to indicate that RX8 owners as a group are:
-pretty damn juvenile,
-downright nasty at times,
-suffering torque envy.
Do I want to be associated with you guys??!!
Let the flaming commence (er, I mean continue).
Cheers
Pete
04-07-2006 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wishboneracing
I've got to say, wow, this forum seems to indicate that RX8 owners as a group are:
-pretty damn juvenile,
-downright nasty at times,
-suffering torque envy.
- The 1.8T would have been in god's chariot if it was available at the time
- Coilpacks are disposable items
- It's cool to list the HP/torque of your modded car at the crank because it convinces you your car isn't a slow FWD turd
- Chips aren't just for salsa
- VW Owners are a bunch of illiterate morons
- SRT-4 forums really isn't the biggest cesspool on the net
Generalizations are fun!
04-07-2006 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wishboneracing
I am a VW GTI Mk4 owner checking out the RX8 for possible purchase, dreaming of the great balance and handling of the 8 for NorCal backroads. Been lurking on your little forum here....
I've got to say, wow, this forum seems to indicate that RX8 owners as a group are:
-pretty damn juvenile,
-downright nasty at times,
-suffering torque envy.
Do I want to be associated with you guys??!!
Let the flaming commence (er, I mean continue).
Cheers
Pete
I've got to say, wow, this forum seems to indicate that RX8 owners as a group are:
-pretty damn juvenile,
-downright nasty at times,
-suffering torque envy.
Do I want to be associated with you guys??!!
Let the flaming commence (er, I mean continue).
Cheers
Pete
More than a few on here don't seem to own the car. As for the actual owners who post, most accept the car for what it is and only get "nasty" because the same stupid threads about the 8's lack of everything keep showing up(apparently the 8 is a huge piece of **** that is very slow and has to be rolling downhill to get going
). Torque just seems to be the fad thread topic lately. As for being associated with "us guys", the rotary love ended with the 7. A ton of people buy this car not knowing or caring at all about what it is or isn't. Its just a pretty car to them.
So feel good in buying the car knowing that you won't be lumped into the catergories you listed.
BTW, read the tech sections, the discussion area is a touchy-feely kinda place
.
04-07-2006 | 09:25 PM
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Well lets all settle down and relax. Comparing cars is like comparing where we live, advantages and disadvantages. I was at the drag track and road courses last year. So here is my opinion, the RX8 is not a quarter mile monster. But consider this they ran about the same times as a 350z or G35. All three stock were about the same times low 15's to very high 14's. Hell two Stillen supercharged 350zs only ran 14.1 and 13.9. A turboed RX8 ran 14.2 and 14.3. Neon SRT-4s were kicking *** low 13's to high 12's. Mustangs were mostly in the mid to high 14's to high 13's. At the road courses the RX8's were kicking ***. They were running with M3's. 350z's were close and SRT-4's were sucking. Road course is a whole different game. Each car has it's own benifits, so chose your battles wisely. Now I will shut up.