down shifting???
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down shifting???
just wondering how many people downshift their 8 while everyday driving.
i personally rarely downshift. when i originally learned to drive standard, people were always telling me "brakes are cheaper than a clutch/transmission." i know a lot of manual drivers do downshift, im just curious...what are your opinions?
i personally rarely downshift. when i originally learned to drive standard, people were always telling me "brakes are cheaper than a clutch/transmission." i know a lot of manual drivers do downshift, im just curious...what are your opinions?
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i always downshift. better to stay in gear just in case something unexpected happens. experiment with blip downshifting. if you do it right there wont be any damage to the tranny. eventually for track settings you will learn to heel toe but you dont need that for everyday driving.
just focus on rev matching so you dont wear down your clutch abnormally and you will be good. just practice practice practice. eventually it becomes second nature and you dont even realize you are doin it
just focus on rev matching so you dont wear down your clutch abnormally and you will be good. just practice practice practice. eventually it becomes second nature and you dont even realize you are doin it
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I drove semi's for many years so downshifting was compulsory and my driving style is the same for my 8 or any stick shift,here in Croatia they teach new drivers to shift into neutral and use the brakes to stop or slow,my wife is Croatian and it was a major effort to get her to downshift,besides,its a sports car and I find it more enjoyable to drive it like I stole it and use the transmission to pull the car up.Each to there own.
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I'm a firm believer in "engine braking." Done properly it's no more wearing then any other function.
You should never be in neutral while moving (especially around turns), to maintain torque-resistance (for both braking and acceleration) and esp. in case you must quickly react to a situation.
Driving a car manual is no different in theory then riding a 10-speed bike. Anticipate your needs so as to most efficiently use the power of the engine, up and down shifting.
You should never be in neutral while moving (especially around turns), to maintain torque-resistance (for both braking and acceleration) and esp. in case you must quickly react to a situation.
Driving a car manual is no different in theory then riding a 10-speed bike. Anticipate your needs so as to most efficiently use the power of the engine, up and down shifting.
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just wondering how many people downshift their 8 while everyday driving.
i personally rarely downshift. when i originally learned to drive standard, people were always telling me "brakes are cheaper than a clutch/transmission." i know a lot of manual drivers do downshift, im just curious...what are your opinions?
i personally rarely downshift. when i originally learned to drive standard, people were always telling me "brakes are cheaper than a clutch/transmission." i know a lot of manual drivers do downshift, im just curious...what are your opinions?
I assume to mean downshifting to use engine braking as a means of slowing down. I do it all the time, primarily into 2nd and 3rd.
"Brakes are cheaper than transmission parts" but "wearing brakes is more expensive than not wearing either". As long as you rev match, there is no additional strain on the transmission, no "extra" wear. Yeah, there is wear, but nothing beyond the wear you already have during normal driving.
A WOT run is harder on the transmission than a rev-matched downshift.
What most people (who generally seem to drive ATs) are thinking when they give that quote about brakes being cheaper than transmissions, is disengaging clutch, pull out of gear, keeping clutch disengaged, putting it into gear, letting revs fall this entire time, than clutch dropping it in the lower gear with your revs at idle (presumably they fell that far during this process. THAT is stupid, incredible amount of shock to your transmission, you can slide the rear tires (seems like a brief lockup, but they are actually still turning, just WAY slower than you are going), the DSC has trouble overcoming that, and crashing is entirely a possibility on slippery conditions. So yeah, doing THAT is stupid.
Rev match and you are fine.
You can actually shift (up and down) without touching the clutch, leaving it engaged. This has a bit more wear, but entirely doable. I learned that when I had a transmission fry on me (dealer didn't put the transaxle seals back in, fluid drained and toasted everything), clutch was permanently engaged, and did ~8 miles through ~25 lights without using the clutch. I'd recommend doing it a few times to get familiar with it as a "just in case" educational experience, but not all the time.
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i downshift and i usuallly rev match/heel toe unless i'm going at a slow speed...
i however, never coast in neutral seems very dangerous to me...just in case something happens..
i however, never coast in neutral seems very dangerous to me...just in case something happens..
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I downshift when needed when driving aggressively but honestly brakes are cheaper and easier to replace than clutches so down shifting unnecessarily is putting unneeded wear and tear on more expensive things.
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There isn't any wear on clutches if you do it properly...only possible wear doing it correctly is the wear caused by gears spinning next to each other or in contact with each other....like normal.
Like I said, you can rev match downshift, and upshift, without using the clutch at all, using the same principle and practice but adding in disengaging the clutch, doesn't generate any clutch wear.
Again, WOT runs generates more transmission wear than proper downshifting. So if you are going to claim that you shouldn't downshift due to wear, then please add "or go WOT" to that...
Like I said, you can rev match downshift, and upshift, without using the clutch at all, using the same principle and practice but adding in disengaging the clutch, doesn't generate any clutch wear.
Again, WOT runs generates more transmission wear than proper downshifting. So if you are going to claim that you shouldn't downshift due to wear, then please add "or go WOT" to that...
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I'm a firm believer in "engine braking." Done properly it's no more wearing then any other function.
You should never be in neutral while moving (especially around turns), to maintain torque-resistance (for both braking and acceleration) and esp. in case you must quickly react to a situation.
Driving a car manual is no different in theory then riding a 10-speed bike. Anticipate your needs so as to most efficiently use the power of the engine, up and down shifting.
You should never be in neutral while moving (especially around turns), to maintain torque-resistance (for both braking and acceleration) and esp. in case you must quickly react to a situation.
Driving a car manual is no different in theory then riding a 10-speed bike. Anticipate your needs so as to most efficiently use the power of the engine, up and down shifting.
In the driving schools they tell you to stay always in gear here, even during traffic stops... how can croatia be so different?
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Of course, pulling this off means the engineers who put the pedals there have to have a clue. It's relatively easy to heel-toe an EVO, 350Z or RX-8, but the pedals are at such different heights that it's nearly impossible in a Mustang Cobra R. And the Cobra R is a race car. Go figure.