ZGlide

I know it's been a trend to turn off your DSC/TDC completely for the rumored extra horse power and better mileage. Whether this really works or not, the benefits definitely will not out weigh the potential consequences in dangerous situtations. Yesterday I was speeding on the famous Stunt Road in Calabasas canyons, CA, i had left the DSC alone (in the on position). Every turn I felt the computer either reducing power, or subtly and rapidly applying the brakes to the correct wheel, It was almost too easy. That's when the damn itch came.......I wanted more challenge. On a short straight away, where I had time to take my left hand off of the steering wheel, I reached down the held the DSC button for 7 sec. to turn it off completely. Since this occured on a straight away going slightly uphill, I had time to build up my speed, almost redling in 3rd gear. Literally within 5 seconds time I approached the next turn but it was too late already. It was a sudden down hill sharp right. The sudden transition in hill grade plus the sharp will throw any (i do mean ANY) unsuspecting car and driver to lose control (just like the Famous Cork Screw in Laguna Seca Speedway, for any of you that has driven on the actual track or has played it on Gran Turismo II and II). My baby 8 lost contact with the road and as I attempted to counter steering away from the edge of the canyon and my death, I headed back towards the mountain side only to slam directly head on into a telephone pole. It was an instant total loss. From my own judgement of the effectiveness of the DSC on RX-8s, had I left it on, I believe I could have avoided this nasty fate. I experienced directly and appreciates the safety designs of the RX-8, as I was able to walk away from this with nothing but a few bruises caused by the airbag deploying. For any of you who takes the DSC as a bother, and wastes 7 seconds turning it off everytime you get in your 8, I'm hoping my experience will demonstrate a reason not to take the DSC for granted. I will try to post some pictures of the before and after pictures of my 8 tomorrow.

Elara

wow- glad you're okay. What an awful way to learn the limits of the car

RenoIV

Glad you escaped without serious injury!

An unfortunate method to learn the real world effectiveness of the 8's saftey features.

Is your 8 dead? Better it than you.

Equis

To tell you the truth the DSC has made me freak out than help me out many times but I don't turn it off, supposively it reduces speed and brakes for you but I find that nerve wrecking. I just let go of the hard steering I am doing and braking and when the DSC stops doing it's thing my car gets more out of control. Glad you are OK.

Razpewton

ZGlide...glad to know you're alright. It could have been far worse....

I also know first hand, what the DSC/TDC does for stability, power distibution and braking. While driving, I have driven with it activated and deactivated, and it isn't difficult to feel the difference. I'll leave mine on...it's benefits outweigh any other setting.

Racer X-8

Wow, you surely are taking this loss well. So sorry to read of your incident.

btw, I leave mine on all the time - only turned it off once to see what it's like - sensed no difference in accel. - it stays on.

Truss

Yow! Glad you're OK. I expect that some people on this board are about to unleash their sarcasm and ridicule at your fate for "not knowing how to control the car." Many will likely tell you that they would never have been so stupid because their driving skillz are awesome, but I think your story is a good cautionary tale about not taking unnecessary risks on the street.

So now for the big question: are you buying another 8?

T.

Aratinga

Dear Mr. (Ms.?) ZGlide:

This is your insurance company. Prior to reading your post above we were planning to cover the loss of your RX-8 due to your collision with a telephone pole. However, now that you have admitted that you were speeding and had deliberately and completely disabled the traction control and stability control features of your automobile, we are reconsidering our coverage of this accident.

You will be notified of our decision shortly.

PS: As we're sure you've discovered, we do not consider GT III an adequate method of driver education.

Reeko

First, I agree that the DSC is good, and I am sorry for your loss.
But, in the given scenario, I am pretty sure that DSC wouldn't have saved you. (Doing 90 into a downhill turn. Especially given your statement that it was too late by the time you got to the turn. DSC would not have been able to save you in this case.)

Second, turning off DSC doesn't really get you more power, it allows you to do things that the computer would normally shut down (by cutting power). So if you feel no difference with it off, you aren't driving overly agressively.

I like to turn mine off to drift the rear end of the car (In roads that I know very well). These roads are generally safe because they are generally lower speed turns that I can take in 2nd and get the rear end sideways in a very controlled maner. It is a very fun car to kick the rear end out with, very predictable.

murix

Am I the only one here to be pissed off to know someone is dumb enough to drive like this on public roads? So you were over 90mph going into a corner on a small two lane canyon road?

It is not that you were just going fast. It was you did not even know how to judge the corner and go fast.

Save it for the track. The DSC is only building a false sense of security. It would have not helped you. I do not even have it.

NAVILESRX8

iTrader: (1)

I've never had a car before with DSC/TCS. This is my first one. I've driven cars with arguably spookier handling than the RX8...I'm still alive and well, and haven't totalled any cars. In your case, ok it saved you. If you say so....


I think your heavy reliance on the DSC caused you push the limits too high, and thus your accident.

This is same thing that happened when ABS came out...everybody thought they could stop on a dime now that they have the ABS....then they start crashing all over the place......

All electronic helpers are just that...helpers. They can't break the laws of physics, and they don't make a less than skilled driver better.

Sorry for your accident though, I'm glad you are ok.

Gord96BRG

Sorry about your loss, but I have to agree - DSC would NOT have helped you.

By your own telling of the tale, you were on or exceeding the limits of traction on nearly every turn before the incident (it was no accident). The DSC and TCS can help mask minor errors, but they're not magic and can not create traction from nothing. They do not override the laws of physics! If you overcook it into a corner big time, you're still leaving the road.

Regards,
Gordon

Ole Spiff

I learned in a nearly as dramatic way as you, that the DSC system is worth leaving on...for those unexpected moments. This is what happened to my wife and I last Christmas eve:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17291

shigginsrx8

glad to hear your okay

But, you said it would throw any unsuspecting driver. Why were your driving so fast if you dont know the road. Dumb move

and if you do know the road, then your not an unsuspecting driver, just a bad one.

sorry to sound harsh, but common sense will save more lives than dsc any day

arattle

Hey Reno,

From your sig I see that you got a red 8 with a wing, was it you I saw on 95 the other day, I was test driving a titanium gray one? The following day I bought a Nordic Green 6-speed GT (didn't want the navigation system in my test-drive).

If so, that's a smoking car. If not, it's still a smoking car

ZGlide

Thank you all for all your sympathy. I am very fortunate to walk out of this terrible fate in the best wa possible. IMHO the RX-8 is very well designed to absorb impacts, I'm especially glad for the light weigh of the car, and the pint sized Renesis engine (had it been a V6, I think I would have been served the cylinder head as my last meal). Truss, thank you for the warning. I posted this tread merely to share the very positive, life saving aspects of the car that we all love. Was it a dumb move? I think not. I know there are alot more RX-8ers out there that also share the passion of driving a well designed sports car that we own in a spirited manner. For those of you who do not know, Stunt Rd. is famous (In the southern california region) for its challenging turns and high speed driving sports car enthusiasts. It is not uncommon to spot a pack of Ferraris or Porsches speeding up and down that canyon on a weekend. On the way up, I did have the DSC completely off, which in turn gave my the confidence of driving with it turned off moments before the accident. Despite of the accident, I'm glad everything happened the way it did, as I would not have given up the true joy of the RX-8, and could have ended up a lot worse some other time or some other place. My only regret (in exactly the same way some of you mentioned) was pushing it to the limits on a road I know little about, and having the DSC turned off precisely before the unforeseen grade changing turn.

Rupes

I see your from RPV...is that Rancho Palos Verdes? Thats where I'm from and I am unfimilar with this race track you described.

-Rupes

HeelnToe

Actually, DSC might have killed you.

From what I know, DSC would have basically created terminal understeer... and you would have simply gone straight off the edge.

magixpuma

can you explain to me what its like to be hit by an airbag that stuff looks so scary

ZGlide

Well.....I didn't even see the airbag deploy actually....i think it's too fast. The image I saw after the impact was that the airbag had deflated already. My nose was hurting a bit, and the inside of my lips were bleeding a little. I think that's better than slamming my face into the steering wheel.

Murray16

I was thinking this exact same thing. I recall a japanese video of a normal and ms rx-8 cornering to its maximum with DSC on and off.
... found it! - http://www.step-hen.com/rx8/files/DSC_demo.zip
afer watching the video i dont think i agree anymore...
besides you can't really compare wet conditions to dry.

Gord96BRG

From the Owners Manual, page 5-21:You were simply driving waaay too fast for that corner. DSC would have made no difference - you were either going over the edge or into the wall. DSC can not magically create traction.

Regards,
Gordon

murix

That just scares me! It was obviously a dumb move or you would not be here describing how you just totaled your car.

I myself am a regular spirited back road driver but I fully well know I am not going to try and push my car and myself to its limits on a small public back roads. I have seen what can happen and would rather not be a statistic. You did not just push these limits. You went well over them.

California is blessed with more tracks than anywhere else I have been. It really is ok to use them.

kellybrf

iTrader: (2)

after seeing a totaled 550 marinello i will never turn my dsc off. the guy who did it was a sesoned driver who had it out on the track for some hot laps. he did 7 or 8 just fine w/the traction control on, then decided to turn it off to feel the difference. within a few turns the car was backwards into a tire wall, everything pushed forward to the point that the car was easially totaled.

Norseman

Hmmm, hold the DSC button in for "7 seconds" to turn it "completely" off? So, what is happening when I simply hit the button and the light above me says it's off? What's with the 7-second thing?