Glass is not half empty, it's half FULL!

RX8Power

 

it's half FULL, and ALL FULL of s***!

 

Here's my idea of a 2-door rotary coupe, be it a 7 or an 8:

 

A better flash would make sense if the rep is speaking the truth. Some people have reported decent gains, and I wouldn't be suprised if they were able to flash it back up to 247hp.

 

You guys are ignoring the half truth spoken by the rep. Don't forget that the new Miata is being tested with a rotary. He never said the car would be called an RX-anything, just that there would be a 2 door rotary.........

 

I would say that Mazda would have one hell of an issue on their hands with existing 8 owners if nothing happens before the Mazdaspeed 6 hits.

I remember somewhere on this forum that there was a flash in the works to bring it up to original advertised horsepower. That still would not be enough?!

 

Hey guys, I got my new name....rx7wannahave...LOL


philodox,

Thanks for shareing, if it comes true or not...time will tell, but I normally wait before getting excited about stuff.

I agree that a significant HP gain for the RX8 before the MS6 just seems unrealistic, while I pray and hope it comes true. I would love Mazda to call me back and say...

"Hey, do you want another 35HP...." only In my dreams I think.

That RX7 looks real nice and while I would love to have it, I still need my back seats so it would not take me away from my baby. IF anything, the good news about a RX7 for us RX8 people would be that we could swap the 7's engine for the 8's giving us another 75HP WITHOUT SC/Turbo. If the RX8 or RX7 even made 300HP out of the box, 400HP would not be completely unrealistic.

It seems that this club needs an investiagtor, or someone that could get us a contact at Mazda. Someone that really does know what is going on and could give us updates n stuff, of course that person would be would be known simply as Mr. X....anyone reading out there, help us please...

Meanwhile, I'll keep enjoying my baby for everything it already is...and continue to drool at it's potential. 1.6L twin rotary....just lovely...if it can maintain 18/24 or something similar because if it was 13/19 that would just SUCK!

 

Everything I've read about the MS6 indicates to me that it does not perform better than the 8, especially if it were on a track. The car weighs like 3500 lbs.

 

I disagree that Mazda would have any issue on their hands. With the exception of the earliest buyers, everyone knew that their car was advertised at 238 hp. To expect anything more would be unprecedented in the industry.

It would also be poor judgement on Mazda's part to limit their vehicle lineup to less than 238 hp simply to keep the 8 as the "power leader". Not a smart move in order to keep up with their competition.

If I had to bet, there will probably be a new MY RX-8 with more power, or a new vehicle altogether (Miata, RX-7 or whatever) that outperforms the MS6. But us existing owners will be SOL, unless we want to sell our 8s and buy a new car. Just my guess.

 

Agree totally, just read this months mags and the previews of the M6. Basically an upmarket 6, NOT, and NEVER intended to be anything like an EVO or STI beater. Too heavy, too high, too slow, way to much understeer. Not to mention IMHO it looks... well... a little too busy and frumpy... heck might as well say it... just like the EVO and STI :D

I say frumpy because they seem to have grafted the 8's front image below the hood line, then stuck a modified 8's tailend on the back. It just looks well... not very good.

 

Note: Mazda engineers have released several ASE "white papers" regarding the widening of the rotors by 10mm.

 

Do you have a link to these?

and are they PROPOSING this or are they GOING to do this?

What happens to the people that have there cars already...Oh wait, Were SOL as usual right?

 

thats what I said before some others tried circling the wagons looking for a kill shot :p It's the last time I mention anything like that on the board again

 

that is the coolest pic i have seen. did you photoshop this, and can you do it in silver

 

SOL? If you're talking about the wider rotors, what do you want Mazda to do? Should they give you the new larger engine? What about all the people that bought G35s and C5s that for 2005 got a big hp gain? Everything gets an improvement as time goes on.

 

Exactly...SOL. I dont expect them to widen our rotors cause I know its not going to happen. It just sucks that the people who have the most passion for the car are the ones who get left in the dust. :

 

Mazda should in no way shape or form be expected or obligated to give you a more powerful engine. It's not a matter of "ya Mazda's not going to pull through so why expect it", it's you being unrealistic and demonstrating poor business sense.

 

I think 8 owners are about the least SOL. I don't know of any car companies that provide the frequency of new flashes that Mazda does. The passionate people get them before anybody else. The passionate people also get Mazda sponsored events such as Sevenstock. The early adopters got rotary themed books, watches, and a variety of other stuff.

That computer you're typing on was outdated by the time you got it home from the store. That's the way the economy works. You can always sell your 8 and buy a newer one with the larger engine.

 

Yes, I did chop this image. I'll see if I can do it in Sunlight Silver - I don't know why I didn't do that in the first place since that's the color of my car!

 

Yes, and according to a MNAO rep at the Washington Auto Show last weekend, the new Miata will be built on the RX-8 platform. So, my wild speculation would be that the new Miata, I believe due out as a 2006, will be a Renesis-rotary-engined car with a ragtop and/or a coupe version built on the 8 platform.

However, in all honesty, I must point out that this same rep was unaware of the fire at the Ujima plant.

 

Here's the best I could do:

This time with 22's rear and 20's front!

 

Can we have lazer guns and let the engine run on water too?

 

:D

 

Optimism truly is a grand thing!!!

Will the RX-8 get a 'boost' so to say? Maybe in the form of an ECU flash. But currently, from the business and practical side of things, do you think mazda is going to recall however many rx-8's are on the road (est. 25,000-30,000. If anyone knows this number, do tell) to manifest whatever concept they 'may' have about beefing up the 8?

I do agree that if mazda releases a car, it should be capped by the 8's performance. If a mazdaspeed version of a car is faster, then so be it. That is the mazdaspeed version. It is MEANT to be faster.

A new rx-? Not for many years. There hasnt been enough saturation of mazda's great new concepts that were bourne from the rx-8 currently in the market. Why should they trounce on their own toes when they have quite possibly one of the top 5 most beautiful and fresh cars on the road?

*Read below and then re-read the above section. I promise it will make sense*

A new rotary powered car... without a doubt!!!! I dont know exactly what the manufacturing costs of rotary v. piston driven engine are. But from taking an educated guess, i would guess the rotary is much cheaper. And now, they can produce rotaries with ~200 hp without FI. Remember, RX stands for Rotary Experiment. The rotary is back everyone. And it looks like it is here to stay!

And look at all of this from a business standpoint. Is Mazda forced to have some integrity within the scope of their operations; of course! If they did not, people would be angry or expect more much like members of this forum. But, they also have to make a $ in a competitive market.

BTW, this post is not meant as a blast. But as philodox mentioned, it became one. Any OBJECTIVE input based on logical theory would surely be conducive to keeping the tone of the thread fresh and good natured.

 

Hey Demon....clear corners babe!! :D

- Irish