irish8

Check these out.....note the caption on the new miata.









- Irish

army_rx8

hmm interesting indeed. ahh but insurence on either of those will kill me..oh and they aren' there yet:p hehe it woudl be gret to see teh 7 come back...but i'm not holding my breath just yet......maybe in a few months but not yet.(b/c i can't hold it for over a year)



oh and as for the mazdaspeed 6 being more powerful than the 8...who cares..it only goes 0-60 in like 6.5-6.7 sec.'s...this is really made to compete against the awd Acura's. just my 2 cents:D

bigblockbeater

Mazda is producing some incredible cars right now. the urrent version of the rx-8 is a test subject. with this being the first release of the Renesis of couse we are going to compare it to the Genesis from which it was conceived. its still the same block! but the Reneisis N/A puts out almost the same amount of power as the TT Genesis. i think that is pretty good if i do say so myself. our first issue of the rx-8 is the cornerstone by which all new rotary cars will be compared.

let Mazda produce a mazdaspeed 6 that is better then the rx-8! that will raise the bar for the 8 and the next one will be that much better! and bring on the new 7! i want one of each! and a rotary powered miata, hell ya! drop the wieght and increase the power and the miata will not be laughed at anymore! can you imagine a miata beating a 350z?

i think Mazda should tune every model they have and have minivans racing along side M3's. put zoom zoom in every model. let mazda be ford's performance brand.

truemagellen

AGREED! I've talked to multiple Mazda NA reps and they talk out of their *** 90percent of the time when it comes to R and D...the reason why? they are not connected, do not have the security clearance, and are usually there to handle the service department and work with the dealership to provide new services etc...they are middle men to Mazda NA

The only thing useful I've gotten out of a Mazda NA rep is a brand New navigation unit after he determined mine (with the old firmware) was slow as hell compared to the one on his 8...thank goodness he had Nav in his 8

Deslock

That article has no credibility considering it starts with:
The truth is that the RX7 was in production until 2002 (it just wasn't available in the USA after 1995).

Deslock

Not according to recent rumors.
It has been widely reported that the NC Miata will not have a rotary option, unfortunately. Dropping the RENESIS into the Miata seems like a no-brainer to me... perhaps Mazda's reasons for not doing it will be made clear at some point.

Deslock

The MS6 will cost more and perform worse than the 8.

Unfortunately for the 8's future sales, the average buyer is ignorant and doesn't do much research. They'll look at the MS6's power rating and dismiss the 8 (just look at what people are writing in this forum).

However, at 3630 pounds, the MS6 is targeting luxury/AWD cars (like the G35x and Outback 2.5L turbo), not sports cars (like the 8) or rally-inspired/AWD cars (like the STI and EVO). The MS6 will be a whopping 750 pounds more than the base RX8 and won't touch it in terms of road feel and responsiveness.

The 8 has never been about power; it's about balance. There is no other 4 door RWD car under 3000 pounds currently in production and even more important than the weight is how it's distributed, how low it is, and how it's concentrated towards the center of the car. Then there's the tight steering, responsive throttle, short-throw shifter, etc... despite its lack of low-end oomph, the RX8 delivers true sports-car fun in a practical, comfortable ride. Anyone who feels threatened by the MS6 doesn't understand the 8.

Japan8

The 7 pics in that article can also be found in most JDM "upcoming car" car mags. So I'd give it some credit.

A Rotary miata... nope. JDM mags say it's going to have another 4 banger. No plans for a rotary either. It is based off the RX-8 platform though. Why is Mazda passing on the rotary for the Miata? You've got me... the bean counters or the "think they know it all" marketing guys probably said so. An RX-5 Miata would be badass. oh well...

Deslock is right on the ball... the 8 and MS6 are after two different markets. Many will compare them and get a MS6 instead because of the turbo and more power on paper... as many compare the 8 to the Z, STi and Evo. Those are all different cars with different purposes. The 8 vs the G35c I can understand. The 8 vs the GTO... I suppose so. I like comparing apples to apples, but most people don't do that when looking at cars.

If you need/want AWD, a sporty "feel," 4 doors and the ability to haug the rugrats and junk... then you're really looking more at the MS6, Legacy GT, 330, G35, A4, and so forth... Nothing wrong with them. I actually like them and given a higher budget might consider one over an 8...

EZZY

guess time will tell, and looking forward to that.... especially the 7 :p

the gf and i were going to put a small amount of deposit down 3 years ago at the sydney international motor show for the 8. it looked abit different then, and the engine spec wasnt finalised........ after a coffee, i changed my mind and decided to find out what the real thing will look before getting it

ranger4277

Perhaps if Mazda had another factory and could provide the volume of rotary engines necessary to supply both the RX-8 and miata they'd consider giving the miata a rotary. I was under the impression that they were building rotary engines as fast as they could to meet demand for the 8. (with the exception of the relative few that enter life as crate motors for racing applications)

Hand building the # of motors that have been built thus far is impressive to me. They don't just let anyone build these things.

irish8

My guess is exclusivity. And possibly price point. The miata is a sub $20k car in the US. You know, it may also be that the public would rather see the 4 banger again. The general public always wants the norm, nothing radical. IMHO the only common thread between the 8 and the new miata will be frame.

- Irish

DrKillJoY

The Miata nation is heavily against a rotary in their next Miata. (read some of the threads over at miata.net)

Go48

Yeah, I guess they would prefer something like this with all the ugly piping.

Japan8

New update... just checking out some "upcoming car" car mags at the convenience store tonight and in one pretty accurate one it mention a "minor change" for the 8 in late 2005. This is DEFINITELY NOT the MS8, as it would clearly be listed as such like the MS6 was. What this minor change will be... that's the question.

irish8

Who knows....colour maybe. I hear the strato Blue maybe coming stateside. Just a rumor of course, source.... buddy that runs a Mazda dealer in the UK. Did the article specify what part of the world the "change" would be in? If it's a global change......???

- Irish

zoom44

nothing will happen with the 8 b4 the MS6 hits the showrooms. also that flash rumour is just that - a rumour. what your saying wont and CANT happen. forget that flash idea.

Japan8

Odd... my post is missing.

Anyway, when the Familia S-Wagon (Protege 5) was mentioned for a "Minor change" in this mag, it got the front-end that you guys in the US know and love. The next MC added the tails lights the US has. The MS6 was NOT listed as a "minor change" but as a completely different model, so for this and the obvious reasons, it is NOT the MS8. As far as color changes go... they haven't showed up thus far as such, unless it comes with real changes to the car, so I'd say no. This will be appearance or mechanical.

c2k4-8

Ok, that article about the RX7 - that would be great, I may even consider trading if Mazda would keep the price about $35 grand. It states that the 7 will be shown at the Tokyo Auto Show - does anyone know when this is?

DrKillJoY

behold the power of an internet search engine : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...uto+salon+2005


lazy bastards... :D

Slims8

I can't read that! :D

DrKillJoY

for those of you who need to be spoon-fed : http://www.e-autosalon.net/tokyo/english/index.html

(Fwiw - that link if clicked on would have taken you to a half english/ half japanese page, at the bottom is a link to visit the english version of the site.)

co3

This minor change will be (hopefully) the replacement of the current auto rx8 with a 5speed full power one and the addition of an RX8 with an "SMG"-type transmission. This is why I have not bought my 8 yet. I am waiting for the "SMG"type tranny that is rumored on this forum.

Slims8

Come on now... give me some kind of credit!

Slims8

http://www.e-autosalon.net/2004ver/t...t2004/stc.html

check out the car in the lower right. That is bad ***!

DrKillJoY

LOL, sorry bout the spoon-fed thing, that is a by-product of me working with morons and people who never look for answers at work before they come to me to fix it. :p

Sometimes, I am a bit crass, but it's all good..I still love you guys (and gals). :D