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Old 03-14-2002 | 01:36 AM
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Folding Rear Seats?!

Folding rear seats that allow pass-thru of a large tripod/snowboards etc.
Oh, and a sunroof option is a must. Just my 2 cents!
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Old 03-14-2002 | 07:03 AM
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As an avid Mountain biker, I would have loved to see a larger trunk opening and full split seats. I've been studying the back seat pics, and it appears that each rear seat is individually upholstered, rather than one continuous back rest. This could insinuate that each of the rear seats could fold, just not the centre section. Either way, I'll probably have get a light duty custom fabricated hidden hitch installed and a hitch-mounted rack.
Old 03-14-2002 | 08:00 AM
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It would be nice to have the rear seats fold forward. You could get some long items in the car in a pinch. You may not get a mountain bike in there but who wants a dirty bike in their new clean RX8 anyway
Old 03-14-2002 | 01:24 PM
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i would rather have the hidden hitch to put my bike on then sticking it tn my car but then again i got a truck for that stuff
but the floddowns would be nice
Old 03-14-2002 | 05:34 PM
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rear seats

i'm impressed that this is a REAL 4 person car and not another 2+2. the fact that people in the back won't be cramped is a major selling point for me. i naturally assumed that the seat could fold down for extra storage in the back, if not occupied by passengers. either way, i've been nothing but impressed by this car, and am looking forward to its release.

does anyone have any idea as to the tentative release date of the car for the 2003 year?

thanks
Old 03-14-2002 | 07:08 PM
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My back seats will be coming off for the stereo system i'll be investing in :D
Old 03-14-2002 | 07:09 PM
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The seats will almost certainly have to fold down individually, if at all. The central Backbone Chassis frame runs down the entire length of the cabin, including the rear, and thus would not allow the seats to fold in one piece. Individually is better anyway, you can at least have 1 person in back with one side folded down.

It also would not surprise me to see that the seats don't fold at all. By putting a big hole there, you give up chassis rigidity. Mazda wants this car to be very rigid. That combined with the lack of the B pillar and the necessity to move that lost rigidity to other points in the car may mean the loss of any folding rear seats.
Old 03-18-2002 | 10:19 AM
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A pass-through is a must-have. Isn't the point of this design for more people/cargo space? Not having a pass-through would be in direct conflict with the purpose of the car.
Old 03-19-2002 | 02:12 PM
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If Mazda fails to put a pass-through on the car it would be a mistake. One of its selling points is that the car is a "practical" sports car.

I believe that Mazda can put a pass-through in the car and retain chassis stiffness. When Mazda was designing the car there were engineers in Mazda that did not want to install suicide doors. They thought that they could not meet federal crash worthiness tests with them. The president of Mazda told the engineers that Mazda was an engineering company. He told them to engineer a solution to the problem. If they can figure the door issue out they should be able to figure out the pass-through.
Old 03-19-2002 | 05:34 PM
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I agree.

Originally posted by Jerome81
The seats will almost certainly have to fold down individually, if at all. The central Backbone Chassis frame runs down the entire length of the cabin, including the rear, and thus would not allow the seats to fold in one piece. Individually is better anyway, you can at least have 1 person in back with one side folded down.

It also would not surprise me to see that the seats don't fold at all. By putting a big hole there, you give up chassis rigidity. Mazda wants this car to be very rigid. That combined with the lack of the B pillar and the necessity to move that lost rigidity to other points in the car may mean the loss of any folding rear seats.
Compromised structural regitity is a legitimate issue with rear folders. The numbers on non-folding as opposed to folding were enough to scare me away from the option on my current car. A similar, although much less concerning argument can be made for sunroofs as well. Not to mention the fact that the latches on the seats open the door for possible rattles.
Old 03-20-2002 | 08:25 AM
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I will still put my faith in Mazda engineers to solve this problem and provide us with a car with folding rear seats, a sunroof, and excellent chassis stiffness. Any company that can engineer a good rotary engine should be able to do the other stuff too.
Old 03-20-2002 | 09:26 AM
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It should be an option if anything.

Originally posted by liondogs
I will still put my faith in Mazda engineers to solve this problem and provide us with a car with folding rear seats, a sunroof, and excellent chassis stiffness. Any company that can engineer a good rotary engine should be able to do the other stuff too.
Rigidity is compromised by rear folding seats in current E46 platform (a very rigid chassis) and it will be compromised in the RX-8 as well.

Rear folders should be optional, IMO.
Old 03-20-2002 | 05:31 PM
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blah, its the hatchback, so I dont doubt the seats will fold
Old 03-20-2002 | 05:33 PM
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actually wait, is it a hatchback? cant really see from the pics
Old 04-01-2002 | 11:40 PM
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Folding seats are definately a plus. I'm also an avid mountain biker and a skier. I wouldn't want to spoil the looks of this car with a roof rack.

Folding rear seats are always useful for when you need al little more space. I also hope that if they fold down that they open the space entirely. I owen a Geo prism and when the seats folded down there was a huge arch that prevented larger items from going in.

Anyway, it's not critical for me: my RSX is a hatchback, so if I get the RX8 I'll still have a good vehicle for a little extra cargo.
Old 04-02-2002 | 12:17 AM
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Archer, the compromise in chasis rigidity in the E46 is minimal. Easily corrected with a rear cross brace. According to Mazda and R&T, and probably other articles, the RX-8 chasis is even stiffer than the previous RX-7, which was known to loosen your fillings.

Anyway, this is not an all out track car. Some street compliance is probably a good idea.

My $.02.

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Old 04-02-2002 | 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by aco
Anyway, this is not an all out track car. Some street compliance is probably a good idea.
I agree. The RX-8 will be a fast, good looking, yet pratical car. I think Mazda is creating a new market for itself with this car.

That said, they probably will sacrifice some performance characteristics for practicality, including fold down rear seats.
Old 05-03-2002 | 07:54 PM
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Hatchback??

I doubt it..in the R&T article they say that there is room for 2 golf bags in the "TRUNK"....but hey you never know
Old 05-03-2002 | 10:22 PM
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it looks like it could be a hatchback... notice how they have never shown pics with trunk lid open... based on current pics, it would be hard to put anything into it isnt a hatchback...

but again, it might not be... as long as there is"decent" trunk, I dont care... you wont be able to fold seats much anyway, notice that they have big central whatever you call it going from front to back (hence only 4 people max)...
Old 05-05-2002 | 10:56 AM
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Its not a hatchback. It has a regular trunk. From some pics from the detroit auto show, you can see the trunk line.

Besides, if it were a hatchback, some article would have pointed it out for sure. And the R&T article did say "trunk" as said above.
Old 05-10-2002 | 11:07 PM
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If you want to fold down the back seats, buy a damn minivan or hatchback, dumb@ss!!

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Old 05-11-2002 | 12:19 AM
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What's with all the hostility on this forum lately?

Is one really a dumb@ss for wanting a hatchback? I better look into selling my RX-7 to a dumb@ss soon if that's the case. :D
Old 05-11-2002 | 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by NOTA V6
What's with all the hostility on this forum lately?

Is one really a dumb@ss for wanting a hatchback? I better look into selling my RX-7 to a dumb@ss soon if that's the case. :D
I was wondering about that.. there are like 5 posts per day, and 3 are just hostile rants
Old 05-11-2002 | 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by MazdaMan182
If you want to fold down the back seats, buy a damn minivan or hatchback, dumb@ss!!


What the hell is wrong with folding rear seats?

Maybe you'd be happier with a 2 seater, so you could avoid the issue altogether. May I suggest a Fiero?


There is no reason for this stupid hostility here and in the other posts. The RX-8 is a practical sports car. It has 4 doors and useable rear seats for 6 ft. adults. Why shouldn't it have folding rear seats too?
Old 05-11-2002 | 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Grimace

May I suggest a Fiero?


thats just funny

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