bascho

I don't know how many SUV owners do these things......but I know that I have done them with the SUV's and trucks I've owned. Assuming a majority of the owners don't use their SUV is ignorant.

jmerc

Ok my first post here been lurking for a little while but felt the need to respond here. First I do not have an 8 yet waiting till next spring, then I will get a 07 GT with the auto (my wife doesn't drive stick). Currently we have a 68 Barracuda, 95 Rodeo (work truck), 91 RX-7 (my dad bought it new and I got it from him), and a 03 FX 45.

I bought my FX because I wanted something sporty and my wife did not want a wagon S4. Now it is true the FX is not your typical SUV, it can run with a lot of pure sports cars, and I tend to think of it as a GTR wagon on steroids which is basicly what is and I hate real SUVs although my Rodeo has its place as the workhorse.

Now to the issue of the RX, someone said great cars are expensive that is complete and udder BS. The Mazda rotory cars have always been brilliant cars; they are the best handling cars from Japan, are a complete blast to drive and in the case of the 8 very practical. So what if mileage is not great, its a sports car, and that is to be expected. I have seen a lot of whining through here about lack of power and tourqe, what do you think that redline is for. The RX cars are also some of the only other cars besides Porsches that need to be driven hard for them to run properly, if you baby a rotor it will go to **** very quickly and I imagine that is the case with some posters.

Why bitch and moan when you have one of the best performing cars around that is also a relitive bargin, you should be enjoying the car dumbasses.

bascho

I said that and you're about to prove my point. So if Mazda put another $20K into the RX8 (obviously raising the price), you're saying it would not be a better car..........right?

All less expensive cars are compromised.....I never said they were not a good value. The RX8 is a great value......but not a great car. I could spend all day filling in this reply with cars that are better (price no object) than the RX8. On the flip side I couldn't list many that are a better value.

Razz1

Damn it! How many times do I have to tell you this is the biggest Whinners forumn on the internet.

All cry baies come here https://www.rx8club.com/

wah wah wha

The fact the coolest car out there is the RX 8 makes anyone who never bought a car buy one and then complain because they don't know anything about cars let alone a rotory engine, doesn't help.

May ya all ZOOM ZOOM to Heaven..........

dynamho

I humbly state that this may be a generalization. As anyone knows, everything in this universe is relative. I happen to think that the same resource compromise exists with exotic and expensive cars too. It's just on a different scale. Another factor to consider is that mass market vehicles have a lot more leveraging power in terms of R&D because of the quantity they're sold as compared to exotics or expensive cars. I am almost ALMOST certain that more research dollars (YEN) go into the redesign and engineering of an important (for business) car like Toyota Camry than an exotic car. Due to this leveraging effect, I believe mass market cars, if focused, can be just as good, or better than exotic or expensive cars, at a substantially lower price point.

Ike

Sorry I'm late for the circlejerk!

I'll take someone complaining about their problems with a car over a fanboi any day.

bascho

I agree that R&D costs are much greater for common mass-market autos than exotics. My point is more about the money spent on each vehicle. When we at Ford develop a vehicle there is a target 'per unit cost' that needs to be met. That cost has more to due with what the market will pay for the product than recovering R&D costs. Typically the per unit cost limit is established and then R&D budgets are determined. Example, the Mustang probably had a target cost to Ford of $19,000 (this is a guess) per vehicle. I know for a fact the Mustang was almost killed because the program came in $2500 over budget per unit. They scrambled to cut content to get the unit cost down in-line with the budget.

So, because of these budgets all mass produced vehicles are compromised. Had the Mustang program been given no budget limit, the Mustang could be a better vehicle. Just like the RX8......just like every car made (except the Veyron which is a great example of what can be built with no limits.)

People, cars are made from raw materials like anything else. And, like anything else some materials are better (cost more) than others. The crappy feeling buttons in your Caddie are compromises for a better engine. The crappy navigation system is a compromise for better leather seats. The generic HVAC head unit is a compromise for larger brakes. It all comes down to compromises.....that is how we can afford cars. If you want the best of the best......you are going to pay big $$$ which most people don't have.

Paul_in_DC

As many times as it takes you to correctly spell whiners?

DaveCM203

I must admit that I bought my wife an SUV several months ago. It is what she wanted. A Suzuki Grand Vitara. It does get better milage than my 8 (22-23 in daily driving). I must admit that I did get the 4wd (even though I live in NC) and, if my wife wouldn't kill me, I would take it on the jeep trails near my house. As for being practical,...the only advantage is that it can cary larger objects and I can tow a trailer with it to carry off the trash. For an SUV it realy is not bad.

As for the 8, I average 18 mpg during (very agressive) daily driving. I was driving an S2000 when I got the 8. Honda had better milage. Don't care and don't realy miss it. I love my 8 and everytime I drive it, I am amaized by how smooth it is, how fun it is to drive, how I can hustle it down a tight road and yet don't have to have the suspension set so hard I need a kidney transplant. Now when I drive a piston powered car, I am always runnning it into the rev limiter. I forget that not all cars can redline at 9k. Could the dip stick be longer? Hell yes. Would I like better milage? Of course as long as I get to at least keep the power I have now. Are there "faster" cars out there? Sure there are. Do I care? No. I love driving my car and just deal with checking the oil with a small flashlight stuck in my mouth to see at night. Lately I have gotten so used to it I can now "find the hole" without having to use the flashlight.

PS, who ever said that the 8 gets worse milage than a GTO needs to give up the crack. You pay gas guzzler tax with the auto. I had a couple of guys I work with that had the 6spd. They said they averaged as low as 12mpg.

flomulgator

No flashlight?
Close your eyes, concentrate, and USE THE FORCE!