Has anybody been able to flood after L flash?
04-04-2004, 07:26 PM
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I cant sell a car that is defective by nature. Im pretty sure that I would be liable if something bad would happen to the person if they were stranded. We tried to compromise with the dealer with no luck. We had an attourney get involved and was told that we unfortunately would have to go the lemon law route. I have posted a complaint with the NHSTA, BBB, and the state attorney general. Whats funny is that the dealership responded to the attorney general saying that Mazda, nor any other auto manufacturer warranties against flooding. Not more than two weeks later the TSB came out. I must say that the service manager was very helpful this time. I am just not convinced that this "fix" is 100% effective. If people would just accept that this car floods and not complain, there wouldnt even be a L flash. Mazda should have at least put a larger battery in the car, so that you have a prayer when it floods to use the procedure in the manual. I also do not like the idea that contaminates in the oil is considered normal. I dont think that starting the car and pulling it out of the shop, then waiting a few minutes and reversing the process is considered abuse. GM, Honda, or Toyota would be burned at the stake if a Impalla, Camry, or an Accord would exhibit the same "tempermental" behavior.
BTW, I live in the middle of nowhere at least 50 miles from the nearest dealership while my dad's shop is much closer. He stands behind his machines with a lifetime warranty, unlike Mazda who have just now took their heads out of the sand with this car that should have had at least another year of R&D in real world environments. Its kinda like the Segway that would fall over if the battery died.
BTW, I live in the middle of nowhere at least 50 miles from the nearest dealership while my dad's shop is much closer. He stands behind his machines with a lifetime warranty, unlike Mazda who have just now took their heads out of the sand with this car that should have had at least another year of R&D in real world environments. Its kinda like the Segway that would fall over if the battery died.
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04-04-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by rieskame
If people would just accept that this car floods and not complain, there wouldnt even be a L flash.
If people would just accept that this car floods and not complain, there wouldnt even be a L flash.
04-04-2004, 08:14 PM
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I cant sell a car that is defective by nature. Im pretty sure that I would be liable if something bad would happen to the person if they were stranded. We tried to compromise with the dealer with no luck. We had an attourney get involved and was told that we unfortunately would have to go the lemon law route. I have posted a complaint with the NHSTA, BBB, and the state attorney general. Whats funny is that the dealership responded to the attorney general saying that Mazda, nor any other auto manufacturer warranties against flooding. Not more than two weeks later the TSB came out. I must say that the service manager was very helpful this time. I am just not convinced that this "fix" is 100% effective. If people would just accept that this car floods and not complain, there wouldnt even be a L flash. Mazda should have at least put a larger battery in the car, so that you have a prayer when it floods to use the procedure in the manual. I also do not like the idea that contaminates in the oil is considered normal. I dont think that starting the car and pulling it out of the shop, then waiting a few minutes and reversing the process is considered abuse. GM, Honda, or Toyota would be burned at the stake if a Impalla, Camry, or an Accord would exhibit the same "tempermental" behavior.
BTW, I live in the middle of nowhere at least 50 miles from the nearest dealership while my dad's shop is much closer. He stands behind his machines with a lifetime warranty, unlike Mazda who have just now took their heads out of the sand with this car that should have had at least another year of R&D in real world environments. Its kinda like the Segway that would fall over if the battery died.
I cant sell a car that is defective by nature. Im pretty sure that I would be liable if something bad would happen to the person if they were stranded. We tried to compromise with the dealer with no luck. We had an attourney get involved and was told that we unfortunately would have to go the lemon law route. I have posted a complaint with the NHSTA, BBB, and the state attorney general. Whats funny is that the dealership responded to the attorney general saying that Mazda, nor any other auto manufacturer warranties against flooding. Not more than two weeks later the TSB came out. I must say that the service manager was very helpful this time. I am just not convinced that this "fix" is 100% effective. If people would just accept that this car floods and not complain, there wouldnt even be a L flash. Mazda should have at least put a larger battery in the car, so that you have a prayer when it floods to use the procedure in the manual. I also do not like the idea that contaminates in the oil is considered normal. I dont think that starting the car and pulling it out of the shop, then waiting a few minutes and reversing the process is considered abuse. GM, Honda, or Toyota would be burned at the stake if a Impalla, Camry, or an Accord would exhibit the same "tempermental" behavior.
BTW, I live in the middle of nowhere at least 50 miles from the nearest dealership while my dad's shop is much closer. He stands behind his machines with a lifetime warranty, unlike Mazda who have just now took their heads out of the sand with this car that should have had at least another year of R&D in real world environments. Its kinda like the Segway that would fall over if the battery died.
The "L" Flash is NOT a cure for flooding. It entirely retunes the ecu to lean out the mixtures and also has a timing change. The effect was for better gas mileage not for flooding. Once again, rebuttal denied.
You have been physically trying to flood the car and have been unable to do it. Where is the defect? I'll give you a hint, it is behind the steering wheel.
I'll say it again. Sell the damn car and get on with life. No one will sue you unless you tampered with the car. Wait, you are tampering with the car! Yep, you're screwed if you sell it. Looks like you're stuck with it.
OK now that you've lost will a moderator please shut this worthless thread down! I can't laugh too much harder before I hurt myself.
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