brandon7382

Does anyone good at HEEL & TOE?? or drifting?? how can i do that??? what are the good things for HEEL & TOE??

RX-GR8

i'm not sure. do a search. :D

Vip_C

There are a few threads about this on here.

It's basically braking with your toe while revving with your heel, this is done while rev matching or double clutching.

All it does is basically bring all your engine parts in syncwith each other so is better for them.

Vip_C

Drifting is like one powerslide after another for a while.

U have to turn slightly the opposite way of the corner and then swing back into it, this will then cause you to slide through it and then you turn the opposite way to slide through the next corner.
This is why it's mostly done on mountainous roads as there are a lot of twists and turns.

XDEEDUBBX

heel toe is a advanced racing technique used mainly for circuit racing/ drifting/ etc...the main purpose of heel toe is to have the car in a high gear before turning into an apex so when coming out of the bend you can push the pedal at full throttle...and at the same time relieving some stress on the tranny opposed to just dropping the gears before the turn....theres alot more to it but im just too damn drunk to remember any of it..haha

dayvei214@mac.com

there are alot of different kinda of drifts that you can do depending on the situation and so forth. although the basic idea of it is to kick out your rear and go threw a turn sliding. with a rear wheel drive car if i remember correctly. you would approach the the turn at a middle gear, tap the break to shift the weight of you car foward and e-break to break the rear loose. is the basic concept i think. correct me if im wrong though.

SilverEIGHT

http://homepage.mac.com/gkawano/heel%20and%20toe.mov

army_rx8

hehe i can't do the whoel heel and toe..as i am too tall to move my leg in that position...btu i can do it with the ball of my right foot on the break and the right part of my foot on the gas which i believe is a nother way someone said to heel toe on here at some time. there is a video roming around here somewhere of it in action (the first kind)...of a heal toe shift..and doublt clutch with heel toe pretty cool. :D

brandon7382

So do we have to change gear when we doing heel & toe?? normal what gear are we on when doing heel & toe

missinmahseven

Brandon, goto library and check out Skip Barber's "Going Faster."

All will become clear as day as regards to heel-toe after reading that book. It is a way to downshift while braking, something you'd want to do setting up to attack a corner.

I do it almost every corner I take, sub-conciously.. :D

Have a look at your 8's pedals. They're crafted to help in heel-toe. The gas pedal has the left edge angled down, the brake pedal has a funky shape at the top to aid in pivoting your foot around for the actual heel-toe shift.

Heel-toe can take forever to master.. took me a good year or so of almost constant practice to get it Just So. I am, however, a slow learner for some things. (And I learned to do this in my Miata, which was most decidedly not as easy to heel-toe as the 8 is. The 8, in comparison, heel-toes itself.)

It is easy to screw it up. May I suggest you try it slowly, in a deserted parking lot or race track. The street is no place to learn this trick, imo.

You can heel-toe any shift. But in real life, on-street and on-track, chances are you'll be doing a 3-2 heel-toe downshift in preparation for a corner.

Batman220

The point of heel toe shifting is to match the speed of your engine to the speed of your car/motorcycle. Coming up to a corner you will let off the accelerator, push/pull in the clutch, and start braking. You need to be able to power out of the turn so you need to downshift. You want to be in the correct gear as you finish braking and enter the turn so you can get on the gas before you get into the turn. This helps settle the car/bike.

If you were to just let the clutch out, even if you do it slowly, you will add engine braking and start to slow the car/bike down abruptly. If you are at the edge of traction this sudden slowing may cause your tires to break loose.

If you rev the engine before you start to let the clutch out, your engine rpm will better match the speed of the car/bike and it will be a smoother transition helping keep the car/bike stay planted through the turn and not losing traction.

It is hard to master this and keep consistent pressure on the brake while you are blipping the throttle. But if you can you will be a much smoother rider or driver.

SilverEIGHT

Works great in the mountain twisties too.

RX Renesis

http://www.modernracer.com/tips/tips.html

look at the buttom and u'll see "heel-and-toe downshifting"

guy321

It also works good if you have to apply brakes suddenly in traffic, then need to be in gear to go around someone or something in a split second.

RPIRX-8

SilverEIGHT, that vid rules. That just completely helped me understand how it works and what your feet should look like when doing it. I guess some people learn better with pictures

And what better time to learn it the day before a track day :D

RX Renesis

do u actually have to let go of the clutch when ur giving it the "blip"?

Quinte 8

Great thread. Love the video. (pic = k word) I always "double clutch" when shifting down. As RX8 drivers we should also note the "Torque and power" discussion on the modernracer.com website. If you are not shifting aggressively in a rotary you are not getting top performance. Thanks for the video and the website