piNNoy

What have i done! i started a war among rx8 users! woops lol ,,,,,,,, ne ways i already made the decision to get the si and im picking it up today

ill be sure to post pics

cant 8 users get aloNg!?

PhotoMunkey

There is a "grammer", as it relates to British grams (a measure of weight) however I concede that I completely screwed up the usage. LOL Mea Culpa. One mistake equals an "A-", doesn't it. Ike, for some reason you can't even construct a single cohesive argument without three errors. To save time, I won't even bother listing them with the damn Quote button. Kudos to anyone who "no"s something about the automotive business and wouldn't mind taking about a year off from life to teach that argumentative New Yorker something. I figure it might take that long. Then again, it might also take even longer than that for him to realize that my proof lies in the absence of either the WRX STi or the EVO 9 in HIS proof of "what's hot, what's not". Just because a vehicle like the EVO is "hot" in the press doesn't mean that the people who can afford to buy Sport Compact Car magazine can also afford to buy an EVO 9. Likewise, the dealers, who KNOW they have a damn fast car which is a media darling, are willing to SIT on them in order to collect fat paychecks when someone, like me, might happen along and want it. Ike, have you held many jobs where you made more than minimum wage? I'm not slamming you, I'm just curious.

No one but Ike, with his infant-like insistence that a "typically-equipped" WRX STi doesn't sell for $35,268 in CA when edmunds.com (based on actual IN-MARKET TAXABLE DELIVERIES reported to CA) claims that it does, has any issues with the other statements in my post? Probably ya'll just don't care, as we're so far off-topic now that we need the 8's in-dash navigation to get back on course!

BTW-piNNoy, enjoy that Civic! Drive it like you stole it! I was at SEMA last year and saw the modified SIs which Honda had loaned to the aftermarket tuners for the show. Some of them were pretty damn cool once they were dressed up a bit. With gas prices skyrocketing here in CA, I am leaning again towards the new GTI or the new MX-5, as both will get over 30 MPG while cruising the freeways. I run my own "media business" and can afford the gas but I just don't like paying all of that money out of my pocket NOW for a slight bump on my tax return later. Still, it's very difficult for me to turn away from the 8's handling and braking abilities.

PhotoMunkey

Not to pick nits with you, as I fully deserve a good bashing for misspelling "grammar" but, what I think you meant to type is:

"People who call people out for bad grammar/spelling, and in doing so make a spelling or grammatical error, are "motons".

1. There is no such thing as "people that"...
2. Please note the inserted commas separating one thought from the next.
3. "Motons" should be in quotations so that we understand that, instead of merely aiming for the "R" and striking the "T", you intentionally meant to poke fun at my demonstrated misspelling of "grammar".

All in fun...

PhotoMunkey

Rereading Ike's posts offers a LOT of insight into why the New York Times has had to "dumb down" its language in recent years.

Ike

Show me once where I insisted that the STI doesn't sell for 35,268. I made a simple statement that it's easy to get the STI, Evo, and S2K for under MSRP, I have seen nothing from you to prove otherwise. Attacking a couple grammer mistakes and my intelligence is doing nothing but making it clear that your argument is a weak one.

I won't be responding to any more of your silly diatribes, but feel free to continue to attack statements I never made.

Ike

P.S. Less is more.

Any guesses on how long it takes the nutjob to get banned this time?

PhotoMunkey

So, what is a "typically equipped" STi? The STi only has 13 options, no packages. None of the options are "typically equipped". MSRP = $33620. Edmunds True Market Value = $33620. Price at Van Bortel Subaru in Victor, NY = $31,951. Go build one yourself: http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com

PhotoMunkey

www.edmunds.com insists that the average retail price paid in the Southern California market for a manual transmission 2006 WRX STI is $35,268. They base "True Market Value" on data they pull from a new car delivery report compiled monthly by several different media vendors (none of which I can remember the names of at this particular moment). Your statement about it being easy to get an STI under MSRP may hold true in NY, but not in CA. I don't care if Southcoast is the largest Mitsu dealer on the planet, they're not carrying 24 $28-30k STIs (their flooring cost, not retail price) in stock just so they can sell them at wholesale prices.

I am currently searching for time-to-turn numbers for both the Evo and STI... This isn't proving to be an easy search as neither Mitsu nor Subaru are reporting these numbers to the media.

Ike

saturn

1. I "thated" twice last week -- who are you to deny my right to "that"
2. Commas are for sissies
3. Quotes are for sissies

I think I've proven my point.

saturn

Wait, is this Cooder?

DrDiaboloco

Ackewally noo, eye ment eggakly wut I tiped.

prescriptionmazda

has anyone noticed that the last 2 or 3 pages have had nothing to do with the topic?

I haven't.

so, how bout them civic si's?

I like 'em, not enough to buy one, but enough to appreciate them.

oh and Ike, what about the rx-8's do you like? I know one day someone asked you why you were still here, and you said that you liked the rx-8, you just wouldn't buy one or something /end horrible mangled quote. I'm just mildly curious.

sti_eric

I rescind my statement congratulating you on being able to use the quote button. I apparently spoke too soon.

And take a look at Edmunds' True Market Value for an STi in NY. Whaddaya know, they're the same!

Note: Van Bortel Subaru is the largest Subaru dealer in the country and sell ALL their cars at no more than $500 over invoice. (Once again proving your theory wrong).

PhotoMunkey

Ike, I apologize to you. I've been lumping your posts and "sti_eric"'s posts in the same category, when, in fact, they are not. I have been responding to your posts as if you were someone else and completely mistook what you wanted to prove.

While I can't prove my theory that CA and AZ dealers are demanding premiums for the EVO IX and WRX STI, based on Edmund's "True Market Value" for the STI, I conclude that they are, at least in CA, based on m zip code, for the STI.

I still think that the Evo IX and new 06 WRX STI both have very limited market appeal based on their looks, and not their performance. The fact is, both cars are "halo" vehicles for two very small Japanese car companies, and as such, their sales numbers appear to be not an item that either company chooses to disclose. My best guess is that, despite their claim of being "hot", neither car sells well enough to earn significant bragging rights. Certainly not when their target rice-racer market includes people who opt for the Civic SI for thousands of dollars less.

Mitsubishi, in particular, is in the midst of struggling to turn around its declining world and US sales, and is publishing only numbers which are skewed to indicate that the company is now on the rise again. This is, again, purely conjecture, but based on my reading of Mitsu's own, stockholder-bolstering monthly sales reports. Subaru apparently is far healthier as its core models appeal to mainstream-US soccer moms/families seeking safety and convenience.

Dealers in AZ and CA routinely post addendum stickers on EVERY car, regardless of the brand or model as they have deemed it to be a "market premium". This can even be observed in Yuma, AZ. I agree that paying MSRP is silly, and paying over MSRP is borderline criminal, but if the dealer is willing to refuse a sale to a customer because they know the next one MIGHT pay their "premium", that is the dealer's right. The Pontiac dealer in my hometown refuses to sell me a Solstice for GMS (GM Employee price) which I'm entitled to, even though they would receive a healty kick-back from corporate for doing so.

On my next trip to the "city", slated for the beginning of May, I'll photograph a few "market premium addendums" and post them for the board to see. I'll even see what Southcoast has posted on their cars.

playdoh43

PhotoMunkey

The quotation button works fine but the "edit" button apparently needs a fix as I attempted to delete my incorrect quotation mere seconds after I realized that I had removed the html quotation tags from before and after your statement.

Whoop-de-friggin'-da. Ask me again how much I care about New York. Ya'll elected Hillary Clinton to the Senate, which pretty much voids the rights of anyone from New York to complain about what the rest of this country does. BTW- a dealership (singluar) "sells", while dealerships (plural) "sell". My "theory", as you succinctly put it, applies to the operation of dealers in CA and AZ, and their concept of "market premiums". I did not claim anything regarding car dealers in NY, so now would you kindly STFU about NY?

<Sigh> Could it be because, for every STI blown out the door by Van Bortel, there is an equal number of cars sold for OVER MSRP by other dealers in New York who MUST hold out for more money because they DON'T sell as many STIs as VB does? Perhaps they don't sell as many cars period, so they cling to their "halo car" like a lifesaver in the middle of a stormy sea? Could it be because the TMV is an average of the overall retail price in that area, and that some folks get better deals and some don't? Could it be you don't even understand what the word "average" means? Here's one possible use in a sentence; "Sti_eric has only average intelligence, ergo, his posts, while comical, point to a sore need for remedial education."

Who is/was Cooder?

And your point, presumably, was that rightly calling me on "grammer" was ideologically more important than using correct grammar yourself?

DrDiabloco>That wuz funny!

saturn

Nice try, Cooder! I know it's you!

And my point was that nothing I say should be taken seriously. Except that..and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that...and that.

Get it?

PhotoMunkey

Again, who was/is Cooder? I've only been on this board for a short time as I've been researching whether or not I want to risk the RX-8s known issues and fuel mileage for its style and handling and rear seat convenience. I promise that I never have been, nor, hopefully, ever will be called "Cooder"! LOL

playdoh43

im pretty sure hes not cooder, the only thing they have in common is that they both type exceedingly long posts and likes endlessly ramble on about stuff. However, this guy dosnt seem mentally challenged like Cooder/Sportula Collection/Reactionary

saturn

Whatever you say, Cooder! Haha, I bet if I kept doing that it would eventually enrage you. If you're really interested, bust out the search button and behold all the wonderment that is/was Cooder!

PhotoMunkey

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

I guess you guys had a troll, judging by the comments? I write for a living, and when I'm not earning a living, I generally don't write much at all.

StealthFox

if you think a 5-6k typical mark up plus 21k base price equals a good price then you're crazy, 27k for a civic? it's not even a Type-R for christ's sake, you can get an RSX Type-S that's loaded with leather, the same engine, more style, and better looks. plus the integra has always been the "sportier" version of the civic and is just a better buy for the money.

StealthFox

even more importantly...why is there now 15 pages of conversation when ON PAGE FOUR, the topic starter said " made my decision, im not getting an rx8" it should have ended there.